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It felt like Kyle has been begging someone to outright ask about her marriage. I have 2 theories of why this may be: 1. If Sutton would have straight up asked her if things were OK with her marriage (like Garcelle eventually did), she has a reason to really go against Sutton. She can say that Sutton is a horrible friend to do this on camera. If she was her real friend, she could have talked to her privately. Even aside from this topic, I think that Kyle, Dorit and Erica planned for Sutton to look bad this season. They don't like that she has become a popular/loved housewife with many, so was a target. They may have been trying different options to get the audience to turn on her. 2. Maybe Kyle and Mo had discussed not making their marital issues a story line. Kyle has been good at hiding what she wants in the past. Kyle's way around this agreement with Mo, might be to have someone else say out loud. Then she can claim that it wasn't her that made it a storyline but the other ladies. This could also be why Dorit has more subtly brought up marriage with her on a couple of occasions. If Kyle wanted to keep this underwraps she could have.

If you would have told me in season 1 that I would sympathize with Roman, I would have told you you're crazy. Yet here I am. He is the least selfish of the siblings and may be a people pleaser in that he wanted the love of his father and he wants the love of his siblings. He was the one who took the partnership the siblings formed the most seriously. He went along with the Pierce deal because it was what Kendall and Shiv wanted. He gets easily convinced because to him what's most important is keeping them happy. He was the one this episode that kept asking Kendall if they should bring Shiv in the conversation and get her opinion. He went along with Kendall with the plan to mess up the deal, but initially asked if they should check with Shiv. Roman has many faults, but if I had to choose the least objectionable sibling it would be him.

I agree. I had heard originally this was supposed to be the "best friends" from each cast, but it fell apart. Marysol and Alexia are the only ones that made sense. They initially cast Heather and Whitney before their season filmed, but by the time they went on the trip they were no longer friends. I am not sure why the Giselle/Candace pairing. Tinsley was coming with Leah and backed out at the last minute which is when they brought Porscha. I do think the vibe would have been different if there were really best friends from each cast, but not only did most castmates dislike each other, there was very little connection between the rest. Even when they went in the vans, it felt like they split up by age. It just didn't work.

Something I noticed last week and then this week again is that the chefs are not putting as much effort into making cohesive meals as they have in past seasons. They each just say what they want to make and for the most part everyone nods and they move forward. They don't talk about how the dishes will compliment each other and/or if the meal as a whole makes sense. The judges haven't said anything, so maybe it's just me.

I didn't think there was anything wrong with Larsa asking about it. It was better than just talking about it with the other housewives behind Julia's back. Did she need to bring it up again? Maybe not, but this is what they do on these shows. And if Julia was so upset at Kiki to disinvite her, I'd think she'd be just as upset to disinvite Larsa. I think Adriana told her to disinvite Kiki.

I might be late for this, but how about Chisme and Cockies? Chisme means gossip in Spanish and Cockies in homage to Marisol.

After watching this, I still think she's guilty in some part. Whether it was that she herself killed Kaylee or she helped cover it up by not saying anything for 31 days, she's responsible. The documentarians missed a lot of opportunities to reveal more information. Where did everyone think Kaylee was for those 31 days? Her friends kept saying she was such a good mother, so how could Casey be literally living at her boyfriend's house for most of that time and no one finds it out that they haven't seen her with her child? Also, the end felt "acted" when she realizes that her father must have abused Kaylee and smothered her. She said she never left her daughter alone with him, however she also claims that she didn't remember her father's abuse until she was in jail. Also, if she didn't leave them alone together why would she let him take Kaylee's body and trust him alone with her for that month (since she claims still believing Kaylee was alive). Lots of holes and unknowns still.

I also don't think Lucia has a pimp. It was a lie to get Albie to feel bad for her and pay her even though she wasn't upfront about being a prostitute. And then when she mentioned that Cameron owes her money and alluded to her pimp being upset, it was also to potentially get Albie to pay her to "save" her. I do think she sees 2 opportunities with Albie: 1. a way out of Sicily to LA 2. potential blackmail of Dominic because it would be devastating for Albie to find out that he and his father slept with the same woman. When Harper mentioned her threesome in Puerto Rico, there was a weird pause where she looked at Ethan. To me it was a look that said she could "out" him as having been part of what was actually a foursome. When asked when this was, she also had a weird pause before saying college which led me to believe she was lying. As others have mentioned in prior weeks, I think there is something more to the Cameron/Ethan dynamic and that Ethan is potentially bi.

A few things: 1. It's amazing (but perhaps not surprising) that Kyle wouldn't listen to what Kathy was saying about the tequila and Kemo Sabe (sp?). Kathy was saying that it was her fault for having expectations that Kyle would have planned to feature her tequila as part of their visit. She admitted to wrongly being angry about that. Kyle immediately takes it as she is blamed when what Kathy is trying to say that in the moment she did blame Kyle, but now has realized that she had unrealistic expectations. All Kyle hears is "it's my fault" and continues to play the victim. 2. I was surprised throughout the reunion how little talking over each other or interrupting there was, which is common at reunions on all the franchises. This reunion was pretty quiet. Barely anyone interjected during the whole Kathy and Rinna exchange. There was barely any muttering. Like when Andy questioned Rinna on hasn't she yelled and screamed, or in Rinna's words "abused" someone, I would expect Sutton to speak up or even say something to Garcelle. But besides facial expressions everyone was pretty quiet. 3. Perhaps it got cut for time, but there was also no talk about how Kathy was treated leading up to the meltdown. We all saw them picking at her from the slippers to her skiing story to being put in the bunk room. I would have loved to hear what the FF4 would say about that or at least have it acknowledged.

Not to be a Kyle defender, but I did feel like there was a point where her body language and facial expressions were showing that she thought Rinna had gone too far. I don't know why she didn't speak up, but to me it looked like she just wanted it to stop. It's probable that she had planned the whole thing with Rinna, but then her one on one with Kathy satisfied her and she was wishing Rinna wouldn't go this hard. I know some of you mentioned that it seemed like she was holding back a smile, but I don't think I can put myself through a rewatch of the scene. I also think it's totally possible that Rinna and Erica's plan is more a take down of Kyle than of Kathy with Kathy just being collateral damage. From the previews it seems that it's them against Kyle. They know they are putting her in the position of choosing them over her sister, which she's been in before and chosen them. Can she really do that again? Just after repairing her relationship with Kathy? Whatever it is, Rinna and Erika definitely are scheming. Rinna's whole "I am praying for her" with Erika's "You're so elevated" ugh! The only thing that saved that was Sutton's facial reaction!

After going down a wormhole of recap podcasts and all of your posts, I have a couple of new theories as to why Rinna was acting out of character at the party. 1. She really did think that Kathy would not be here, so she was going to use the party as the time to let everyone in on Kathy's "devil" behavior. I'm sure her and Erika have already discussed, but I think she was hoping for one of those times where she had a captive audience to hear her Kathy story. Then Kathy did show up... 2. Her sulking around was when a little kid starts pouting in the corner waiting for someone to ask what's wrong. And then nobody asked her, so she finally just left. One of the podcasts, I think Watch what crappens, was talking about how she was trying to be like LVP but failed. Where LVP would do all the set up and then have someone else be the one that brings it up to keep her hands clean. So their theory was that Rinna may have been talking to Erika, Dorit and maybe even Diana but forgot the important piece of setting someone up to be the "bad guy". Like others, I don't doubt that Kathy did have some type of meltdown but could it really be any worse than what we have seen from others on this show? I'm not buying the PTSD of it all.

Something definitely seems off with the text messages and the whole retelling of what happened. On the plane Kyle says that shortly after arriving at the club, Kathy was mad and wanted to go. But production puts "several hours later" when before the text messages come up on the screen. Kyle also says that Rinna is texting Erika a play by play and she sees it, but the messages we see are not a play by play. It's just she's going crazy in the sprinter and now I'm in my room. It just makes no sense. I also agree that Rinna would have gotten some sort of footage. Even if it was a picture of the broken glasses or recording of Kathy still yelling while she was locked in her room. And like someone else mentioned upthread, where was Mo? Wouldn't have he heard everything? Like others, I'm not doubting that Kathy was upset and perhaps had a meltdown, but I think it is being exaggerated and again being held to a different standard than the FF5. Also, I found Rinna's behavior at Crystal's partly so out of character which is part of why it's clear she was acting. It is odd of her not to have brought it up somehow. It felt like part of her and Erica's plan. For Rinna to seem so traumatized that she couldn't speak up and couldn't stay out of fear of the "Hilton Mafia" or something. Erica was unusually calm on the plane and when she approached Garcelle about The Real. I wouldn't put it past the two of them to have, like others have said, weaponized a meltdown Kathy had and figured out how to draw attention away from Erika and to someone else. I have noted their annoyance with Kathy prior to this, which I think has to do with her popularity last season and holding out on half the season for more money.

The more I think about it, Kyle was more upset about how Erika's words made her (Kyle) look for having backed or defend Erika. She wasn't upset that her "friend" was a shitty person, just how it reflects on Kyle. And Rinna was definitely trying to get Erika to shut up because she knew how this would be perceived by the public. Typically, the FF5 are wrong about how we the audience are going to take things. They thought we would be on their side versus LVP. They are surprised when we side with Denise. This is why I am also assuming whatever they are alluding to in regards to Kathy's behavior is actually going to shed light on more of the FF5's behavior. Erika's outburst last night, though, was one where they immediately knew was going to come off poorly for Erika and those that have been defending her.

After the episode 2 weeks ago, SheSpeaksBravo on IG posted that she could tell that Erika, Rinna, and Dorit had already turned on Kathy or become annoyed with her...like they had already decided to go after her. This is when she makes the comment of toothless and homeless and Garcelle laughs. It made me think that Kathy joining the season late (allegedly holding out for more money) and also her popularity last season, put her on the "must destroy category". In this episode, when Kathy arrives at the house and they are talking in the kitchen, Erika makes non-subtle faces at everything Kathy says. She's clearly over her. Without knowing what the "big" thing Kathy does in Aspen, it's clear to me that they have already decided to go after her one way or another. I don't have anything else to say on the attack on Sutton because everyone has already said it...

Not to mention that a lot of the posts sent to Jax were about Oliver, Garcelle's adult son. They were very unkind towards Oliver, yet Garcelle is mostly voicing her disappointment/anger over them going after her underage son.