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Love the discussion. Super late, just a few comments. Serena bailed before fantasy suites. I don't think she's even attracted to him. Rachel seriously face-planted. Oof. Her dad looked Latino to me, so Honduras makes sense. I had no idea. Was Serena's mom Indian? (East Indian). I love all the various ethnicities, so American. Hated the Zoom with the students, hated Matt purposefully running into the bike at the end. Idiot.

Yeah, I don't see a man in love, or even in infatuation. Matt looks kind of bored or tentative in all of his interactions. I don't see his eyes light up, his excitement upon spending time with a particular lady, any teasing or fun banter. Yawn.

I watched the show a day late, and last night while trying to sleep, I was trying my damnedest to recall what stupid activity the girls on the group date did. I couldn't remember anything but them sitting around a couch. I thought I was having dementia — it was a complete blank. So I rewatched, only to discover there WAS no stupid activity portion of the date — no daytime portion at all. They must have edited it out because it was boring and nothing happened. This is the first time they edited it out completely.

Not surprisingly, Chelsea -- the runway model -- owned her exit walk.

Does rooting for her mean ending up with the bach, or getting away without too much damage? You never know with this show. I think we should root for her NOT to be chosen, but to make it to final two or three, so she can be cast as the first senior bachelorette!

You guys are making this season of bore so much more fun. I haven't been posting, but I've been reading! But now I need to insist that I be on Rainsong's season of the senior bachelor. I can't be a regular contestant (the hubbie would object), but I definitely can come in as the pot-stirrer. I'm the one who shows up midway through and warns Rainsong that one of the contestants (you know who you are!) is a WRONG REASONS woman. She has a boyfriend back home! She went on the show to promote her failing swimsuit modeling career — it's been on a downhill slide for the past 30 years. I think the senior season should start at 50. It's not like the show ever has contestants of that age anyway, so why chop out the 45-64 block of silver foxes and MILFs? On Katie... I don't want her as Bachelorette. Not after the dildo shenanigans, and definitely not after the suggestion to twist Tyler's nipples. Just ew.

I love that Matt is appreciative of the women's ability to "articulate themselves" — they must be really bendy and flexible! The bachelors usually don't learn facts like this until the fantasy suites! Matt is starting to bore the crap out of me. He lacks that "It" factor that some guys manage to show off on a show like this. If he was in a group of contestants on The Bachelorette, I would find him undistinctive. He nice, but vanilla. Dare I say basic? Family/faith, faith/family, reverse, repeat ad nauseum. The bachelor used to be thought of more as the "most eligible bachelor" type, a sophisticated jetsetter, a renaissance man, well educated, well traveled, with money in the bank, a variety of interests and able to speak on numerous topics, while playfully flirting with a variety of women. I miss that idea for this show. That was early days, when we got Aaron, who could play the piano and owned his own bars, and Andrew, the vineyard heir. I can't believe he didn't see right through Bitchtoria's whinging. This dude has little experience with women and the show, and it is showing. I do like having all fresh faces — nice decision. Even so, I would have preferred Mike from Hannah's season. He had a personality. What was Bitchtoria wearing at the rose ceremony? That dress looked like it was made from a bedspread from gramma's house, following her design for a lampshade.

I totally saw Queen Victoria as her. So much so, she has to play her on SNL! And no way did he want to keep her. Matt seems like a nice guy. The prayer would have me self-eliminating. As a humanist/agnostic/atheist, public prayer groups make me deeply uncomfortable. It is! It makes me feel like a child. My 6-foot hubby manages to hear me without doing that.

The first thing I noticed about Dale were his tiny ears... He's good-looking otherwise, but I wonder if that didn't limit his modeling career. He may have the first stage of microtia, a congenital defect. Clare screams desperation. I feel bad for her, unless this new relationship actually defies expectations. Then more power to her! That said, she was rank not apologizing to the rest of the guys. Chris had to do it for her. Screaming "I won't apologize for love!" isn't good enough. They wasted their time and hopes on you, and you didn't give any of them a chance from the start. That deserves an apology. She acts like a teenager, despite her 39 years of experience. And if I never hear "showed up" used again on this show, I will be glad. Super glad Chris forced a proposal from the pair. They deserved it, LOL. The guys better give Taisha a chance.

I've seen every second of this show and all it's spinoffs and wedding specials, so I was really interested to see what was so different about this ending. Aaaaand...it was basically Jason / Melissa/ Molly redux with a few minor alterations. But Jason MEANT it. This guy is an indecisive dweeb. Hannah Ann came out smelling like a rose. Hope she ends up on Paradise. Watching Peter's mother's expressions was the best part of the show. Maddie came off cold and apparently rude to mom, but being shy, I can come across like that, too. Still, the mom is a nut. Maddie will dump Peter like a hot potato once the cameras are gone. None of the issues she had were even addressed, and they're not going away.

Maybe Peter and Maddy are right for each other. Neither can make up their minds! Actually, that would be a terrible relationship, if both are indecisive. I'm with the 'rents and the 1/3 of the audience that isn't looking through rose-colored glasses. As Jane Austen's Emma would say, it's a bad match. Just the religion thing is HUGE. Add in the sex, the partying and apparently the drinking, and it's a train wreck waiting to happen. Love truly does not conquer all, kids.

I'm in love.... None of the people on this show are, but that koala in the tree stole my heart! So sweet!

Such a weird story! I think Alex started to see the light and was killed for it. I don't know why the cops haven't taken them in, or at least her, for not producing her children — unless they're waiting until July after the non-end of the world happens to rattle them. Or they're hoping the two will lead them to the children, who I'm sure are not in Hawaii, but buried in the wide expanses of BLM land outside of Rexburg. I highly doubt the kids are even in the same state. I think they've both been murdered, which is sad, but not surprising considering their weird end-of-days rationalization that death is better than going through the so-called end times. Besides, it's more fun to hang out in Hawaii without kids (wink, wink). People can justify almost anything to themselves, and religion more often hurts than helps (IMO). So many loose ends and questions — I assume BYU said they have no record of the daughter enrolling. Why did Idaho not go after them and arrest them after the kids weren't presented? Why not do an autopsy on the preacher's wife now? And where are the rest of these followers, are any in a compound of some kind? Is there a Facebook group about this case?

I know exactly where Peter got that idea -- from a giant sign in the airport. The writers were apparently living in Cleveland when they invented the character. I would have left. Even if Peter decides he's into me, I'm not into indecisive, oblivious, rude jerks who gravitate to drama queens. I had to laugh when, right after a girl tells him he spends too much time on Alaya, he announces he has to go talk to her again. I spent a few hours in a historic building on that square, and in the square, for a company meeting.

On contouring makeup, it's not new. I'm not new either, and it was a thing when I learned to put on makeup back in the day. I don't bother though. I've seen every episode of this show, and Peter will go down as one of the worst bachelors because of his immaturity. I don't think he's over getting dumped by Hannah. I really hate the social media culture. I hate no-talents constantly trying to sell themselves, and I really don't get "influencers," but then I ignore the latest fashions.

And at least two said whenever when they meant when. Whenever my father died makes no sense!! You know when he died. Peter is way too immature as a lead. I wanted Mike. And Peter mumbles. Did you see the closed caption of something like Mama mama dust when he really said a normal sentence? Hilarious!

I'm out. I saw the gun in the previews, and hoped we see someone use it. They did, at a shooting range. Booooring! I don't get this show. Am I supposed to be rooting for these people? How can I when they're all so hateful? I hate watching them, and they hate everyone else in the show. I liked Addy at first, but she's underhanded, stupid and deceitful. Beth is horrible to almost everyone, and I can't fathom an older sister treating her little sister like she does. The coach is despicable, so self centered and mean to her husband, who for some reason wants to spend more time with her. The sister relationship reminds me of when I tried watching One Tree Hill, and could not get over a father despising his illegitimate son, who was as good as his other son at basketball. What is wrong with these people? Life is too short for so much hate. It ain't the children's fault. And dad and daughter 2 living right across the street? Weirdos all around.

Kelsey looks like she had a nose job. That nose is too narrow for her face. Janice Dickenson is a poster child for too much plastic surgery, yuck. Parts of her face look faux young and a lot looks old, and it's a disaster.

ITA, it was so boring. Was it written by a man? It's a guy's fantasy to have a girlfriend who wants sex every damn second of the day, and it's so stupid. Do Gallaghers have magic dicks or something? If Tami was my daughter or sister and she died (or is still in the hospital), that baby would not go live in the Gallagher household, at least not full time. Over my dead body. Debbie is being stupid, and I can't believe how many outfits she has at one time, if she's buying and returning them on the regular. It's ridiculous. I was so impressed when she said she was training to do welding under water, but that was a lie. What did Carl do to piss off his military school so bad? Protect the trans kid in the bathroom? Either way, I realize I don't really care. They just want to show Gallaghers always failing. A great assessment of this crap episode: AV Club review

Thoughts on the show as a whole: I have never seen such a mature group of people on a reality show. Except for the Weston thing, there has been almost no drama. Kudos to the participants. But, unfortunately, it has made for a pretty boring show. Weston is just a player. A boring cowboy player. He's been through enough women on the show that the female participants figured it out. I never figured out what the women (oops, girls) saw in that particular man (oops, boy) anyway. Glad he was taken down a peg.

It's not hard to see when they don't really mean the love statements. They mumble, look really awkward, and have to psych themselves up to say it. If it's actually felt, a person sings it loud and clear, proclaiming it from the rooftops, so to speak. I haven't believed 80% of the "I love yous" or "I'm falling in love with you" because it's mumbled. Yes! Triangle head. Inverted triangle, of course.

I didn't pay much attention to rednose's face, but I loved her resort-wear wardrobe!

LOL! I think he has a weird-looking triangle head. So not my kind of guy.

I was so annoyed at her putting Zeus and Aphrodite together. So not canon! Sometimes she's his daughter. (See my interest in Greek mythology in my avatar — and space, too!) From one website:

I love this concept that Hannah slipped. "Oops! Your penis fell into my vagina! It was an accident, Luke, I promise!" I'm kind of amazed how Hannah is standing up for herself as her own woman, considering a lot of Christian women (at least evangelicals) are taught they are to be secondary to their husbands in their marriages (you know, the old-style promise to obey. Luke is totally into that, and it only makes him creepier.) You go, Hannah, put that dolt in his place! I lol'd so hard at Luke not wanting to get his ass up out of that chair. And the steam practically coming out of her ears. Oops. Too bad she saved the "bucket-list helicopter-flight date to postcard-beautiful Santorini" for Luke. I could almost see the scales fall from her eyes, as the biblical saying goes. I was almost sure Jed grousing about Luke was his "out" and bid to get ejected so he could be the bachelor (GAG ME.) Guess not. Peter is a cutie. I'm kind of rooting for him now.