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Those could explain Rumple's mindset, but the writers are kidding themselves if they think a Beauty and the Beast dance complete with the original costumes and music from the animated movie would make me swoon over the supposedly epic romance.

She seemed confident the house hadn't been "claimed" yet, so it sounds like she was stalking the house. So she just walked right in and wandered around? The Flying Monkeys just got reverted back to their human forms the night before. Did she not think that maybe the house belongs to one of them? Hey, why not have your honeymoon in Zelena's farmhouse? I heard it on the market now.

Thanks. I was going to freeze-frame, but I forgot. Can't believe I just said I was planning to freeze-frame this show. Lock me in the looney bin under Storybrooke Hospital. Anyway, stealing back Anna's necklace still seemed like a rather lame climax.

The hair was a little unkempt in the movie, but it didn't look weird like this. I was just thinking back to the Storybrooke plot with Elsa, and as usual, the current-day plotline was so weak. So she goes into Mr. Gold's shop, and we don't get to see her confront him, since it was just to get Anna's necklace even though she wouldn't have known it was there? So it looks like nobody has watched "Frozen", since no one recognized the ice trail or the snow monster. Instead of having a heartfelt talk with Regina behind a door, wouldn't Emma have gone to Belle (for books), Blue, or Gold to find out what mythical creatures had Freeze power? I can't wait for Episode 2 when Mary Margaret interviews the Abdominable Snowman as prospective nanny. The "honeymoon" was so segregated from the rest of the episode. When did Belle have time to take a hike to find the abandoned house? When Zelena was out and about terrorizing everyone?

Sadly, even his performance was a total dud in the Season 4 premiere due to the pathetic writing. I can't reconcile that supposedly genuine tearful scene at Bae's gravesite with the despicable action of magically freezing the wife he professes to love.

I'm actually afraid this will be the writers' next big reset at the end of 4A or 4B. The villains get their happy endings since the entire book was rewritten. But no worries everyone, it will all be reversed by the very next episode.

What bothers me most, as mentioned by many above, is that the Regina character has no coherent journey. It is back and forth and flip-flops of gigantic proportions, and it's the whiplash that I hate, and it ruins the character. Towards the end of 3B, we were all wondering after Regina had broken a curse with a true love kiss, accessed the White Magic that she apparently had, and nobly refused to kill Zelena, where else was left for the character to go? Well, apparently, the next step was to have her plotting to go back in time to murder an innocent woman she victimized? Really? Regina may have tried really hard to change her actions yes, but that was not coupled with self-awareness, and without that, she just seems delusional, erratic, and it puts the writers' assertions that she truly loves Henry beyond all else into doubt. It is impossible to see her as anything but a wolf in sheep's clothing every time they do a dramatic reversal like this. Look at her lines which A&E wrote for her in the season premiere. "I'm always the villain, even when I'm not." And "The stories only see me one way." That is not someone who has even taken Step 1 on the road to redemption, and yet she had already skipped to Step 15 and now she's back at Step 0.2.

I don't like how this is played, since Mrs. Drewe also thinks that Edith has a crush on her husband. So some of the concern for Marigold being dropped like a plaything down the line is mixed with anger and jealousy. Mr. Drewe needs to tell his wife the truth pronto since there are enough complications in the whole arrangement without that extra soap-operaish element which makes this uncomfortable to watch.

Sadly, baby or no baby, Ginny and Josh would have been sidelined in this episode since they're not "Frozen", nor a budding romance, nor a love triangle, nor a sick warped chipped teacup of a relationship. I can't believe one of Charming's few lines last night was musing "Maybe we should have gone with Baelfire." Did Snow and Charming find out who Marion was in the diner? I don't remember them finding out in the Season 3 finale about Marion/Regina/Robin at all, and when they came out of the diner onto the Regina/Robin/Marion confrontation, I wasn't sure if they knew or didn't. Adam and Eddy pissed me off right from the beginning by giving Snow the line they forced upon her over and over again in 3B: "Regina, are you alright?" I forgot to mention that above, but that was another indication that they did not read any real critiques of their writing in 3B. That's exactly how I felt. His hair was also very distracting. I'm hoping he grows on me. It would have helped to have a scene with him and Anna together before she left. I was just thinking... I had always assumed the Enchanted Forest was a realm, a world, which contained many Kingdoms. But in this episode, it looks like people in Arendelle sees the Enchanted Forest as another place in their "world" (since Anna was going there by ship, not by portal). So what is this world that encompasses the Enchanted Forest and Arendelle called then? Zelena told Glinda she'd send her over to the Enchanted Forest, for example. Another thing - basically, Arendelle is like Norway and the "Enchanted Forest" aka Misthaven is like Europe. So Anna is going to go to Medieval Europe, and she will ask random people if they knew her parents, who had been planning to go there 5 years ago? Good luck with that. There are going to be coincidences up the wazoo from here on out. As I mentioned in another thread, I'm expecting Anna to meet Bandit Snow, the Evil Queen and the Dark One, since apparently everyone in the Enchanted Forest encounters those three.

I enjoyed this episode. I prefer the show when it grounds itself on some historical base, and it did so with the wireless and providing a pretty decent payoff for the issue of where to place the war memorial. I feel that was a believable event that would have occurred in a small town in the interwar years, which might create some dissenting opinion. The episode also provided some nice balanced screentime for pretty much all the characters, which was nice. I liked Carson's reaction to the disagreement with Mrs. Hughes, as well as some good Daisy/Mrs. Patmore material. I felt badly for Anna at the drugstore, but I liked that she shared her honest opinion with Mary. I was surprised Anna even got a scene with Thomas... hopefully, he's off mega-villain mode though we had to see him goading Baxter again this week. With the continuing storylines from next week... I enjoyed the Violet/Isobel material much more this week. The Baxter reveal was long overdue, but I did like the scenes she had with Moseley. The actors did a good job with that. At least finally, there's some momentum with the Greene business, and the Edith baby secret. The pig farmer really handled this poorly. It didn't look like he even discussed it with the wife. This is clearly set up for when everything blows up. Right on cue, last episode Gillingham and this episode, Blake makes a visit. He seems even more smarmy and arrogant than last season. Last season, I remembered I liked every other episode rather consistently, and it looks like this pattern is repeating again. So strange...

I would never take a People magazine review seriously EVER. And this one sure doesn't change my mind. http://www.people.com/article/once-upon-a-time-frozen-review

This episode was pretty much a mess. But like everyone else, and surprisingly since I wasn't hugely impressed with the animated "Frozen", the flashbacks were the most enjoyable part of this episode. They did a good job of finding a mystery from the movie, and going with it. I liked the angle with the parents going on a mysterious journey (though now I'm worried this mystery will evaporate when we find out the "surprise" that they were planning to go see... Rumpelstiltskin, and they had made a deal a long time ago and Elsa's powers was the "price" they paid). It was a smart way to have Anna go off on a journey to separate the sisters and to create a mystery of what happened to her. The actors for Elsa and Anna were likeable and engaging, though I wasn't a huge fan of the way the actor played Kristoff. I was actually impressed with the CGI Troll. The Snow monster not so much, but Grumpy did have the funniest line of the episode with "Evil Snowman... Run!!!!!!". Elsa sure took the long route walking into town since it apparently took all night. The rest of the episode though, was a downright replay of every problem from 3B which we had discussed over the summer, played out AGAIN. Once again, all of Emma's time was monopolized by Regina and Hook. There was no need for Granny to be in this episode, since we got Snow White dressed like she's going on an excursion from her retirement community. As expected, no follow-up about Emma's conception of home, no conversation with Snow and Charming about her plans now that she decided to be in Storybrooke. Hook's line at the end to Emma that all the crises is a reason to enjoy the quiet moments, should have come from Charming, considering that was pretty much the exact line he had in the Medusa episode, and that line was originally from Snow. Once again Regina got to defeat the Snowman and save the day. When Emma said she felt too guilty and pushed Hook away, I actually thought that might have been about not being able to deliver with her magic, but it was never mentioned or followed up. I actually hoping she would go and have a chat with her parents, but it was to do a door convo with Regina. Once again, Regina was in deep victim mode and the audience got to hear about how things were soooo unfair for villains. As stealinghome said above, it was such a weird dichotomy that on the one hand, Emma/Snow/Charming/Henry treated Regina like a normal person and considered her redeemed, yet on the other hand, the first thing that came into the mind of Henry, of all people, was "You don't think she'll become evil again?" A few hours before, he had proclaimed that Regina was now a hero so she can do light magic. Did A&E already forget that little gem they wrote for Henry? Once again, we needed to hear characters explain how Regina does not equate to the Evil Queen. The most ridiculous line was Robin to Regina, "You are like me. I was once long ago quite different." Stealing from the rich to give to the poor is rather "different" from massacring villages and sending children into the house of a witch to be eaten with gravy. The whole Robin/Regina scenes felt so much like I was watching a daytime soap opera. Once again, the plot was all over the place with no consistent attention to world building. In the course of a single episode, Regina changed her plans twice. The fact that Regina even considered going back in time and murdering Marion before Emma returned to the past showed that she did not change at all. It was just sickening that the writers thought saving Marion from the Snow Monster somehow negated that Regina even fathomed such an immoral course of action. Plus time travelling was suddenly so easy? How was Regina going to enact the Time Travel spell? She would need someone's baby, someone's heart... did the writers even remember Zelena's ingredient list? And then, Regina got the brilliant idea that the book's author could write her a happy ending? WTF? That doesn't even make sense! Yes, I had always wanted to find out the mystery of who wrote the book, but this was just stupid. That would be really weak if the entire season hinged on something that actually made no sense. Regina's reasoning in this episode reminded me of how she acted in the aftermath of being accused of Archie's murder in 2B. Be scared, be very scared... And finally, I actually found the Rumple/Belle stuff just as bad as Regina for once. Robert is a good actor, but no one can make a scene work when it's meant to provide exposition for new viewers. That long-winded explanation at the gravesite about how he switched daggers and lied to Belle? Telling some made-up story about Baelfire we never saw? That was an extremely clunky way to get new viewers up to speed and completely took me out of the scene, much less made me feel for the loss of his son. Freezing Belle like that was just sick. It reminded me of Regina mind-wiping Henry. And then following that with the Beauty and the Beast dance almost sullied that iconic scene from the animated movie. Ick! I can't believe I'm saying this, but thank goodness for "Frozen". The episode wasn't horrible, but it demonstrated that A&E learned NOTHING from 3B. Nothing at all. And it makes me sad and also kinda angry, since it looks like we'll be getting 3B-quality plotlines this season.

This could have turned into a whole different type of show if Gordon had then started singing Little Orphan Annie's "The sun'll come out tomorrow / Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow / there'll be sun..."

I've never been able to get through a complete episode of "The OC", but I thought the actor did a good job in the pilot and fits the role of an "everyman" trying to do his best in a bad situation.

I'm looking forward to it too, but I wasn't too impressed by his performance in the pilot. Hopefully, that will change when we actually see more than two short glimpses of him.

The one in "Gotham" felt a lot bloodier than some of those others, especially with the lingering shots on the dead bodies. It's interesting how similar they were staged in the different productions.

If Anna goes searching for Elsa in the backstory this season, then I am guessing... 1) There will be a flashback of Snow being on the run from Regina (yes, A&E's favorite time period) and she will meet and help Anna 2) Elsa and/or Anna goes to Rumple for help. But magic always comes with a price! I am also guessing that Elsa will be blamed for the eternal winter, but it is not her fault. Woe is her. Regina will get to sing a rendition of "Let It Go" with different lyrics: The first verse: I asked Robin over for dinner tonight Not a footprint to be seen No one likes my lasagna How dare they. I'm the queen. And the chorus, in lieu of Let It Go: I blame Snow, I blame Snow Can't let her live anymore I blame Snow, I blame Snow Kill her now she's such a bore! I don't care What they're going to say Let the whole town die Murder never bothered me anyway!

I'm reading the Hans Christian Anderson "Snow Queen" story today as homework preparation for tonight, in case they use any elements from the story. Oh, who am I kidding, LOL.

This is just typical of the every-character-only-has-their-patented-usual-response syndrome that this show has fallen into. I think Diane's point was that NONE of the stories are going anywhere. Before Season 4, I fully expected Mary to eventually reject Blake and Gillingham and see something in Tom. But now I'm not as sure since we have seen nothing in that direction. The problem with Mary/Tom was they needed to give some time and distance after Matthew's death, and it would be tricky to pair Mary with Tom since Tom was married to her sister. So I think it might still be in Fellowes' plans for the final season. Especially because he hasn't been trying very hard to make Gillingham nor Blake into fully three-dimensional characters, unlike Matthew, who had separate scenes with his mother, by himself, etc.

Exactly. The "There will be light" line might be good for a future episode, but within an hour of the kid watching his parents gunned down in cold blood? It was just ridiculous and took me out of the scene. Unfortunately, there were so many examples of stilted melodramatic dialogue in this episode. I know it's supposed to be a comic book but conversations have to sound natural if they are trying to do a dramatization.

Hard to tell which is a fan poster and which is an "official" one.

Nice idea. I think I might replace Rumple's last episode with "Think Lovely Thoughts". The only other one I might have chosen differently is Emma's... "Lost Girl" in lieu of "New York City Serenade", which felt more like a Captain Swan episode than an Emma episode, and maybe "Manhattan" in lieu of "Queen of Hearts" if only because Jennifer Morrison gave such a heart-breaking performance there.

Imagine the hilarity if the intern chose: - That Still Small Voice - Dreamy - Child of the Moon - Selfless, Brave and True - Think Lovely Thoughts - The Tower Catch up before it's too late!

I actually found Young Bruce and Young Ivy the most intriguing characters from the first episode. The actor who plays Bruce has an edge of anger with a streak of arrogance. I question why Gordon told the kid the truth, since you know the boy will try to take matters into his own hands, and Gordon will need to get him out of these scrapes. The event with Pepper's father explains her distrust of police, which is probably a common phenomenon among the lower income residents of Gotham.

Especially if you want to pull your hair out listening to commentary from Adam and Eddy.