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@gingerella I know this is way after the fact, but I've been re-viewing these early seasons to keep my mind off of current events. I didn't click on the link back in April, 2021. But I did today. Very interesting. Thanks Ging. (If you are still on this site)

Using the quote above only as representative of the many mentions of folks getting vibes of sexual attraction. I am not intending to single out the poster. (Roughly) One generation prior to me—late teens/ early 20s in age at the time of the two "Great" Wars— it was commonplace for girls to be physically affectionate to each other if they enjoyed each other's company. The concept of the word gay implied "lively; spirited; cheerful; playful; upbeat; high spirited.... among many similar synonyms. "Gay" is a good example of how can words metamorphose throughout time. Young women were able to express affection for each other without it being seen as sexual. (whether is was OR not) My Aunties mourned the loss of that word to describe a state of mind they identified with when it became widely associated with homosexuality. (i.e when it became sexualized) Here is a link to the transformation of that word's meaning from a site called "Today I Found Out" https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/02/how-gay-came-to-mean-homosexual/ Because of being present during those mournful conversations I didn't read much into the physical closeness of Jenny and Doris. I saw it as an appropriate expression of a close friendship at that time. (they might be described as "simpatico" now?)

I have never seen Ted Lasso, but I recognized Spratt from Downton Abbey. Very similar characters in that show and this one. Will be on the lookout for Win Thursday...

FYI IMDB says both of them were in only one episode. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26748321/

I found a Wikipedia article that suggests it is possible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penicillium_roqueforti Although I agree that is may be far fetched, people were actually chewing medicinal plants that we now make pills from. Definitely a weak remedy compared to now, but better than nothing. Outlander has never let the rudimentary-ness of a medicinal plant stop Claire from using them to get whatever benefit is possible at the time. 😎

Thanks for the tip, @GHScorpiosRule I rewatched that exchange and had to do it more than once, because the bottom of the plate was often out of camera. But at one point Denzel said to LJ "I brought thee a spoon. The stew is boiling. Be careful." Next shot is Denzel handing over the spoon (edited: bowl of spoon facing down) and a tiny flash of LJ separating a scalpel a small distance from under the spoon. I was looking for a knife shaped object, but I guess a scalpel is as much a knife as a cleaver is. This segment is somewhere between 43 min and 44 min into the episode.

Interview with Roger and Buck re: meeting Geillis and Dougal.

Here is an interview with Charles Vandervaart on the Outlander Aftershow re: S07E12.

Adding to my above post regarding 100 weight of stone: Spiritual Significance: More Than Just Rocks Beyond their practical uses, cairns have held spiritual significance in various cultures around the world. They are often seen as sacred structures that represent a connection between the physical and spiritual realms. In some traditions, cairns mark sacred sites or ritual spaces, inviting individuals to engage in reflection, meditation, or prayer. The act of building a cairn can itself be a form of spiritual practice, a way to create a tangible representation of one’s prayers or intentions. I'll stop now.

Between the two of you I was able to form a google search that brought up this: Quoted from a site called Outlandish Observations by site owner Karen Henry's observations of this episode. So your responses pointed me in a direction that ended in a successful search. 🥰 Yes, Ian built that cairn... ...in respect for and memory of Jaime & following a tradition that calls for a hundred weight of stones. Many thanks to all three of you (from my somewhat compulsive/ obsessive POV). At least I learned something new related to the title. ☺️

I have a question on the cairn that Ian was placing a flat stone on for Jaime in an early scene in this episode. There would have been no body. Does that mean Ian constructed the cairn? Initially I mentally flashed back to the previous episode where Jenny took Ian to the grave stone they had put up for his child who died at birth and he and Jenny put a small stone on it. But that seems to be completely different from what Ian was doing. There was nothing indicating this was for Jaime—except Ian's words to Rachel. Anyone know what tradition was being represented in that scene? Or know the history of that kind of memorial?

I hope this is the appropriate place to put a link to an interview. It's been quite a number of years since I tried. This should be a link to an interview with David Barry on the topic of "that scene" in S07.E11 A Hundredweight of Stones

Yes! Happy for that surprise twist. I suppose— if I remembered Ivy's previous response to Eliza's moral dilemmas—I might have guessed that Ivy would not agree to use her insider knowledge for Eliza's benefit. But I didn't remember. Perhaps that is why her response to Eliza's request was so satisfying. It is refreshing to have a whole new dynamic between Eliza and the person who she thinks she needs to cultivate as her crime solving ally. Hoping this opens up a whole lot of "stories" in a variety of directions. I've really been enjoying getting to know the new - and some of the old - characters. My only disappointment to date was the reference to Clarence in the 1st episode and then.... nothing.

I certainly agree with you regarding what motivated Eliza. But I also believe she knows that following through is a moral conflict—and is ignoring that aspect of her decision. I assume it is to add some depth to her character, and therefore also agree that neither of them... Looking forward to the ramifications. 😎

Exactly what I think. I snorted that we just watched an episode where someone appears to have tried to plant a woman in a new, sensitive department of Scotland yard - which Miss Scarlet is participating in exposing. And then she uses her authority to choose a candidate that has been her support since Eliza was a child!? Eliza has certainly become more complex... and less moral. Interesting twist.

Agreed. To me it certainly looked like Roger and Buck had happened upon the day that Geillis and Dougal first met. Both had been given the name of an herbalis/healer. That was my 1st take on that scene. I'll have to rewatch to confirm, though. It's easy to miss things the 1st time around.

I'm pretty sure that Karl Alberg noted in at least one scene that the crime didn't have the hallmarks of pre-meditation. He seems to have concluded it was a "crime of circumstance". He'd spent enough time talking to "the old guy" to have formed an opinion on his character. On a different note: The "Small Town" is actually Gibsons, in BC. (you can drive north along the coast from Vancouver, but you have to take a ferry to get there (or two!). Not a quick jaunt. Gibsons is where the longest running TV show in Canada—The Beachcombers (1971 - 1990)— was filmed, and the restaurant—Molly's Reach— only existed in the show. After the Series ended the restaurant was revitalized and kept the name. After all, it was Iconic by then.

I just did a second watch. Although Laoghaire has NEVER been a person capable of empathy, the scene where Jamie recognizes that he has amends to make to her jumped out at me. I was actually moved when she finally saw what really motivated him to do the things that she took to be proofs of his deep love for her. Yes, she was a by-the-book: if-he-does-X-it can only mean-Y. It was what she wanted to believe and she was unable to understand that it could be anything but what she wanted it to be. Of course, that was what made her sooo unlikable right up to this point. But to hear her lay out those things Jamie did that caused her to believe she had found someone who loved her for herself: He took a beating meant for HER; He kissed her again after that; And then she finally acknowledged that she knows he actually loved Claire before the 1st time he kissed her (Laoghaire). That he never really looked at her or saw her as a person because he could only think of and see Claire. That was heart breaking. Why? Because that is what we all want from a relationship. What she wanted emotionally was completely relatable. She was just another human who found they'd hung their hopes on the wrong person. I'm willing to acknowledge that all she wanted were those very human hopes for a relationship. And I felt for her. It was a real surprise to hear her be that vulnerable. She is not a likeable woman, so it has been impossible to feel for her until this scene. But it doesn't mean Jamie didn't do her wrong, and he, at least, realized it and was trying to give her that level of respect - of acknowledging his part in her pain. Not that Laoghaire was able to accept it! At least Joanie gave him a way to make reparations in a way he could feel he had done what he could— to right his wrongs to Laoghaire. (and she didn't have to let go of her spite towards him - which he wasn't actually looking for anyway. He didn't need her forgiveness.) I'm glad they included that scene.

I am reminded that since I had hip surgery a year ago my logical mental processes have taken a hit. (not to mention increased anxiety about the world in general.). The previews for S09 looked familiar and I didn't think that was "new". (face palm) or 😵‍💫 Thanks for providing definitive proof that I really was getting a new episode! Will weigh in after I've viewed the episode. So relieved.

Thanks @Cdh20. I've added both Stars and Stack to my Prime Video account, but they're only carrying S07 to episode 9. (that was Nov 23 up to Nov 26 when the new episodes should have dropped even in Canada.). Scratching my head.

Anyone know how to access S07 part two in Canada? I'm shut out of Starz via Prime - Even W Network in Canada can't seem to access it?! (😡 politics) I previously got the show on Starz or Stack (or was that Crave?)

I have a lot of the hesitations (complaints) about this 1st episode that other's have laid out. I kept thinking "haven't we seen this before?" But there is enough that I liked to keep watching. I think Eliza's biggest obstacle is that she wants to be in control of her life. Her father brought her up in such a way that she WAS (for the most part). She was confident in knowing what she wanted and believed she deserved to act that way because men did it all the time. I also think it has been made clear that she knows that marriage would alter her legal rights to act that way. Men were still in control of their wives decisions and money back then. She seems to also be aware that if she gives in to her hormones her entire life will change (if/when she gets pregnant... and a married woman didn't have the legal right to say No). She will have no legal "Right" to make her own decisions about her own body. That is not to say she and William couldn't work that out between them, but it is much easier to stand on your rights than convince by discussion if you are the one with all the legal rights to do so. Eliza has been presented as a woman who needs to be in control of her own life and doesn't see why she shouldn't or can't be allowed to. That was set up back in S01 (or that's how I saw it) and I always see her backing away from saying yes to a traditional relationship with William—despite how she feels about him—because she knows the law only allows her to make her own decisions because 1) she is unmarried, and 2) she is a property owner.

Thanks for the link. It explains what the person hired to work with the animals does There is legislation governing the treatment of animals in films. It's main focus is the health and safety of the animals as "actors". Britain seems to have had laws prohibiting cruelty to animals in film since 1937. I didn't read all the clauses - which would have been updated as more was learned how various circumstances can effect animals negatively. So, the "restrictions" aren't about what people are allowed to see but what needs to be done to enable animals to "act". A lot of what is "allowed" requires time and patience... and as we all know: Time is Money. Working with animals is costly. Here is a link to the wikipedia page re: Cinematograph Films (Animals) Act 1937 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinematograph_Films_(Animals)_Act_1937

But I can. It was standard in my family—for all the life that I have known. There were pictures of 5 living generations from my mother's birth to the birth of my 1st nephew. It ended there. My generation and our children were not as co-operative in the reproduction cycle. (I credit birth control.) But there is a certain sense of comforting continuity in those photos... and I intimately knew all the great grandparents. I thought it was normal. Lots of good stories of the olden days. I can relate to the Elizabeth portrayed here.

There seems to be so much packed into this ending. I wouldn't go as far as saying they parted on good terms. I think Morse was devastated and disillusioned by Thursday's final step away from being the man Morse wanted to emulate. Now he couldn't be trusted to do what was right but only to defend his little family "patch". That phrase "he wasn't MY son" has become Thursday's only ethical platform. At least Bright got out with his integrity intact! What remained for Endeavour was that he still loved Thursday and family. Perhaps felt indebted to them all for being his surrogate "normal" family. But now, I think his last act was more one of indebtedness than empathy or even love. Thursday had become a broken man and Morse was, once again, going to try to save him, but not like having his back—the way he would have before—but for the family. The only thing Thursday had left to live for. So, yes, I agree that act is going to haunt Thursday. Morse too, because Morse has started to "play God" and decide who gets punished and who doesn't (not Thursday). Perhaps he's beginning to face up to the shades of grey within what is right and what is wrong. Don't think he likes it. That is what makes people jaded. His future sure looks to me like it's a direct line to the curmudgeon we first meet in Inspector Morse. This ending satisfied my need for a good reason why the Thursday's never get mentioned again. It is true that Inspector Morse hated his given name. It would have been a source of embarrassment when he was a child. But we are at the point in the chronology where this formerly idealistic Morse is embarking on becoming the jaded, disillusioned man we meet in the original Morse. All he's got left are his principles. Endeavouring it too lofty to describe what he's about. I thought he was signalling both that he and Thursday are not on a first name basis, and that the name has no meaning in relation to who he is, in any way. Getting the murderer is primary. Not advancement for sure, and he never got that. And never again... to save a friend. (Or at least I can't remember if there were any other instances. I just remember him falling for—or being sympathetic towards—more than one woman who turns out to be the murderer.) Bleak, but on the nose. That's my humble opinion anyway.