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I didn't analyze the scene but it looked like Jordan was just going for the piñata. The other guy should have just laughed it off and kept on kissing Nicole. But he got up and got physical with Jordan first. Put his hands on Jordan's face so Jordan body slammed him to the ground. Not that Jordan cared, seems like he was ready to leave. This season is kinda boring.

I could be remembering it wrong but I thought Shane was calling Emily's phone back and she had left it on the table. Her friend saw that it was Shane and picked it up to give it to Emily.

Not sure how I feel about Demi. She did say she wanted to get clarity on her feelings and see if she would develop feelings for someone else. Not sure how upfront she was with the person back home, but she did start telling people about her fairly early and even told Derek before they got too serious, so I'm not sure if she was leading him on or just confused about her own feelings. But I have no doubt TPTB knew her situation and are orchestrating it for the show.

Just curious, is Braunwyn's husband the father of all her children? Seems to be an age gap between her oldest son and the twin boys.

And basically the end result is now the same as if she did pick him. Since it's really just a dating show to see who the lead wants to continue a relationship with. They date until they break up or end up married. They've gone on a date and will end things or continue on. Not much difference. Less appearances and expectations I guess. Probably end sooner than if they had been "engaged" on the show.

Hannah did seem swept off her feet with their chemistry. Gushing about his kisses. The flame burned hot and fast. When she was done, she was really DONE with him.

I am being totally honest. And yes, I would think to myself how ugly he is. I wouldn't think she could do better because she might like him for other reasons than his looks. I don't think about looks when I see people together. Luke is just not an attractive person to me looks wise. If I met him I might find other things about him attractive though.

Admiring yourself in the mirror again Luke? lol. I don't dislike Luke, just think he is not attractive at all. Something with his eyes and not a fan of his jawline. To each his own. You find him appealing. I won't stoop to your level and call you crazy for it.

Looks are definitely subjective. I think Hannah and Tyler are equals in the looks department and would suit each other. Luke, I thought facially was ugly. Seriously so. I could not see how she could physically be attracted to him. Had to have been something else. But I guess others found him somewhat appealing. I thought the majority of the other guys were good looking. Also, while Hannah and Tyler didn't have sex in the FS they did have sex their last night together when she took him up to the bedroom. At least that's the impression we all got watching it.

It is interesting that Jed never considered Haley his girlfriend. He had sex with her and told her he loved her but he was hooking up with others at the same time. Yet Haley thought of herself as Jed's girlfriend.

If Tyler is not fake and not a liar, it makes sense. He did tell Hannah and her family that he is in love with her. That he wants her to be his wife, the mother of his children. He looked sincere when he was about to propose. I think he is really happy to be with Hannah again. I hope it works out for the two of them.

Most break ups are one "dumping" the other. Obviously he isn't the right person for her and she's better off knowing that. Hopefully she'll find someone who truly loves her. Personally I'd be happy to see his true colors before I got too serious. I just think Peter actually breaking up before he went on the show is better than what Jed did. I'm getting bored with the whole franchise. I think I'm breaking up with these shows!

Sorry, not seeing the problem with Peter. He broke up with her BEFORE going on the show. People talk about a future but still break up every day. If the person you are with is looking to go on a show to find someone else, you just weren't meant to be. Good to know before you get too serious. I think Peter is nice looking but I don't think he has the personality to be the Bachelor. Time will tell.

Don't like competitive tragedies or one upmanship on pain. Pain is very personal. I've never lost a child and hopefully never will. But I can tell you hands down that if I did, it would be THE most devastating event of my life. I would always think of the year it happened as the worst year of my life. It's perfectly fine if others don't feel that way, but it's okay for those who do.

I hope Hannah learns a lot about herself through this process and realizes she is not ready for marriage. Enjoy being single and dating. This is a great time in her life to explore many options.

Like I said, "I haven't read too much so I could be missing a lot". Though it's not out of the realm of possibility that things have been embellished to stir things up and create drama. For the record, I hope the spoiler is false and she does not pick Jed.

If your boyfriend goes on the bachelorette, he just isn't that into you! Granted I haven't read too much about Jed but from what I have read it doesn't seem too bad. He was up front on why he decided to do the show. Agents and managers have been getting their clients on "reality" tv for years now. Everyone has an agenda. Even Hannah had one for going on the bachelor and this show too. He told Hannah pretty early. I think initially he came on for exposure to his music but he really may have started to develop feelings for Hannah and she for him. I'm willing to see how it plays out. It's possible that Jed went to the bar with Hannah's full knowledge and consent to do some harmless flirting to throw everyone off. He probably isn't allowed to let the ex know until it's over and then he can have an honest talk with her about falling for Hannah unexpectedly. Might have caught them by surprise. It happens. Again, I haven't read too much so I could be missing a lot.

1) I never said anything about not having consequences. I don't think Jill is surprised at all. People get upset over nothing all the time, even things that aren't true. No surprise there. Big deal. 2) Don't think JILL is.

Jill has just as much right to grieve and honor her grandmother as she decides to, just as they all do. I only hope they don't let strangers on the internet prod them into hurting family members during this emotional and stressful time.

I haven't cared much one way or another about the manufactured drama they chose for this season, but that pathetic lie detector test made LVP look more guilty not less. If someone doesn't want to attend events or be filmed with the others, just stop inviting them. Great, goodbye, next! That goes for ANY of them. I have enjoyed the past few episodes without the constant harping on the same argument. They are enjoying being together. I'm tired of season after season of rehashing the same thing all season long.

Well, they look very much in love and very happy together. Congratulations to them. I wish them happiness and a healthy baby.

I like the ff. It doesn't ruin watching for me. They should show R & B still having struggles and drama with kids changing schools, houses etc. Beth starting a new business, Randall being an inexperienced politician. But I still like knowing they stay married and are still in love through it all. Tess, while sad about her grandmother, seems to be doing well for herself. Kevin is alive and a father. Nicky appears sober. It will interest me to see what happens with Deja, Annie, Kate, Miguel, and how Kevin got to this point in life. I don't think we will know who the mother of his child is until the final season and with so many possibilities I'll stop speculating on that but I'm going to enjoy everyone's journey. I like knowing Rebecca is still alive and getting hints of the future.

I don't know, sounds condescending to me. As does your story. Maybe it's the JUST. You can't know everyone's background or presume to. Maybe some of those people wanted to be challenged. Would have sounded better for Beth and your story if they were told something like "don't worry, I know you can handle this".

The attitude the woman at the dance studio had didn't sit right. Telling Beth not to worry it will be easy because it's JUST housewives who want to lose 10 lbs. So it's okay to give clients subpar service if you don't approve of their motivation for taking the class?

I too had read that Randall picked Tess up in Newark, so Kevin's house must be on the east coast. If the chalk and game are for Rebecca, she must not be near death. Seems more like they are trying to get her hand strength back. Most likely from a stroke. Zoe seems older to me than Kevin (and Sophie) so if Zoe can have a child that age so can Sophie. Could just be that Zoe comes across as more mature. I would rather Zoe knows herself well enough by now and doesn't change her mind about kids for Kevin. I think they handled that relationship well this season. Also, that boy could be Kevin's youngest child and a lot of women have babies in their 40's.