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I'm talking in general. There have been many shows that have bit the dust because the formula required the audience to watch ep to ep to get what the heck is going on, SP has always had many self contained eps. I'm sure the pressure to expand from horror only fans is there. I'm not a horror fan and never will be. I don't watch Horror movies and never will go to them, Period. Even Jensen is not enough to make me go. :) I'm watching a show right now, which I expect this is it's last season. The writer doesn't get it's audience. SP has an advantage. New young viewers, when I talk about SP & Jensen in class, some love the show supernatural. A few years ago, I didn't have that reaction. How people watch is changing, period. Sometimes that helps this show. :)

Unless the writing team is really that limited in their thinking, IA the 200th was their scapegoat. They have basically stated there is a format. Do a few world issues, monster of the week, comedies and end with world issues. It's a formula that they are sticking with since they believe it is what the fans want. Plus you have fans that won't stick with storytelling that expands over a whole season, so that group think is there. Gamble added something and I think she was an outside of the box thinker, but also had weaknesses that needed someone to counter her. The main problem may be that Since Manner's death, the head writers haven't had someone that was a good match to their weaknesses, if that makes sense. I know they all care. The unofficial promo shows that if you had any doubts. I think why I enjoy coming to the forum, is that we all have so many different backgrounds that we think from different angles and it creates a burst of new ideas. I'm not sure the writers have that opportunity. Plus they have the pressure, "if we don't please the fans", we won't keep our show. It's about making money bottom line. So somehow you've got to try to do a little something for everyone. IA that they have stuck with a formula since season 4. Look it saved us, this is it. I wouldn't mind the threat being intertwined throughout the season but It is rare for them to do that successfully. I think that is why I was so mad about "The Darkness" because I was hoping they were finally trying something new. I no longer believe that. It's why IA that DemonDean was just a shock value and then they went "oh crap" how do we get out of this pickle". Plus they have shot down ideas that writers have asked for - which would have help with the storytelling. Example Season 8, they wanted to show what happened while Dean was in Purgatory and Sam looking for his brother but it was shot down. I forget which writer it was but it was in this thread I believe. So that tells me that they will stick to the formula no matter what. Just as I know I will love a few eps no matter what, hate some others no matter what and I don't expect a big story for Dean. If they tease me with one it will whimper out but what's worse I think the Sam fans feel the same way. So if they were smart they would tell a brother's story and this season does lend itself that way unless they make it about another stupid secret to split the boys apart. But even the SOAP writers are having a hard time doing it well, hence the reason most soap operas are dead in the daytime.

-- "Renegade" from Nightshifter -- "The Gambler" from Weekend at Bobby's + "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" from Dark Side of the Moon 14 - "Renegade" from Nightshifter 13 - "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" from Dark Side of the Moon 12 - "Oh Death" from Two Minutes to Midnight 06 - "Don't Fear the Reaper" from Faith 01 - "The Gambler" from Weekend at Bobby's Sent off after 3 encores and a lighter tribute and one drunk guy throwing a beer bottle.... "Cherry Pie" from Reichenbach "Bending Spoons in My Mind" from from Changing Channels "I'm Too Sexy" from Black "Stonehenge" from Simon Said "Silent Lucidity" from Heart "You Shook Me All Night Long" from The Slice Girls "Rock of Ages" from Swan Song "Thunderkiss '65" from Sex and Violence The Ghostfacers theme song from Ghostfacers "Hey Man, Nice Shot" from Skin "Run Through the Jungle" from Sin City "Vincent" - from Survival of the Fittest "Head Full of Doubt / Road Full of Promise" from Halt and Catch Fire "Rooster" from Folsom Prison Blues "The Famous Final Scene" from Road Trip "Cherry Pie" from The Song Remains the Same "Smoke on the Water" from Two and a Half Men "These Boots Are Made for Walking" from Meet the New Boss "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" from Skin "Play with Fire" from The Man Who Knew Too Much "I'll Just Wait Here Then" from Fan Fiction "Miracles" from Mommie Dearest "Can't Find My Way Home" from Do You Believe in Miracles "The Weight" from Hibbing 911 "Back in Black" from Bloodlust "Do You Love Me?" from The End "Goodbye Stranger" from Goodbye Stranger "Laugh, I Nearly Died" from Bloody Mary "Behind Blue Eyes" from Book of the Damned "Single Man Tear" from Fan Fiction "A Well-Respected Man" from It's A Terrible Life "The Road So Far" from Fan Fiction "Space Oddity" from Clap Your Hands If You Believe "Carry On Wayward Son" from Fan Fiction "Supernatural sitcom theme song" from Changing Channels "White Rabbit" from Hunted "All Out of Love" from Slash Fiction "Wanted Dead or Alive" from No Rest for the Wicked "Man in the Wilderness" from We Need to Talk About Kevin "Beautiful Loser" from Exile On Main St. "Heat of the Moment" from Mystery Spot "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" from A Very Supernatural Christmas "Simple Man" from Free to Be You and Me "Spirit in the Sky" from Good God, Y'all "Bad Moon Rising" from Devil's Trap

It is a different singer and even the tempo is different. The pitch from the older season is a little higher and not as bluesy. Love that we the fans can figure it out, even if they don't mark it with anything to tie it back to CW or Supernatural...At least I want to watch...wasn't sure I would before. so that's something Usually they don't promote a show that is doing solid but instead promote the ones that they feel need the support to stay on the air. However, it is a cool promo and makes me wonder...

-- "Oh Death" from Two Minutes to Midnight -- "Renegade" + "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" from Dark Side of the Moon 18 - "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" from Dark Side of the Moon 15 - "Renegade" from Nightshifter 14 - "Oh Death" from Two Minutes to Midnight 12 - "Don't Fear the Reaper" from Faith 05 - "The Gambler" from Weekend at Bobby's 03 - "Bad Moon Rising" from Devil's Trap Sent off after 3 encores and a lighter tribute and one drunk guy throwing a beer bottle.... "Cherry Pie" from Reichenbach "Bending Spoons in My Mind" from from Changing Channels "I'm Too Sexy" from Black "Stonehenge" from Simon Said "Silent Lucidity" from Heart "You Shook Me All Night Long" from The Slice Girls "Rock of Ages" from Swan Song "Thunderkiss '65" from Sex and Violence The Ghostfacers theme song from Ghostfacers "Hey Man, Nice Shot" from Skin "Run Through the Jungle" from Sin City "Vincent" - from Survival of the Fittest "Head Full of Doubt / Road Full of Promise" from Halt and Catch Fire "Rooster" from Folsom Prison Blues "The Famous Final Scene" from Road Trip "Cherry Pie" from The Song Remains the Same "Smoke on the Water" from Two and a Half Men "These Boots Are Made for Walking" from Meet the New Boss "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" from Skin "Play with Fire" from The Man Who Knew Too Much "I'll Just Wait Here Then" from Fan Fiction "Miracles" from Mommie Dearest "Can't Find My Way Home" from Do You Believe in Miracles "The Weight" from Hibbing 911 "Back in Black" from Bloodlust "Do You Love Me?" from The End "Goodbye Stranger" from Goodbye Stranger "Laugh, I Nearly Died" from Bloody Mary "Behind Blue Eyes" from Book of the Damned "Single Man Tear" from Fan Fiction "A Well-Respected Man" from It's A Terrible Life "The Road So Far" from Fan Fiction "Space Oddity" from Clap Your Hands If You Believe "Carry On Wayward Son" from Fan Fiction "Supernatural sitcom theme song" from Changing Channels "White Rabbit" from Hunted "All Out of Love" from Slash Fiction "Wanted Dead or Alive" from No Rest for the Wicked "Man in the Wilderness" from We Need to Talk About Kevin "Beautiful Loser" from Exile On Main St. "Heat of the Moment" from Mystery Spot "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" from A Very Supernatural Christmas "Simple Man" from Free to Be You and Me "Spirit in the Sky" from Good God, Y'all

I did like the montage of the differences between Sam & Dean in Simple Man + "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" from Dark Side of the Moon -- "Renegade" from Nightshifter -- "Bad Moon Rising" from Devil's Trap 23 - "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" from Dark Side of the Moon 22 - "Renegade" from Nightshifter 19 - "Oh Death" from Two Minutes to Midnight 12 - "Don't Fear the Reaper" from Faith 05 - "Bad Moon Rising" from Devil's Trap 05 - "The Gambler" from Weekend at Bobby's 02 - "Spirit in the Sky" from Good God, Y'all Sent off after 3 encores and a lighter tribute and one drunk guy throwing a beer bottle.... "Cherry Pie" from Reichenbach "Bending Spoons in My Mind" from from Changing Channels "I'm Too Sexy" from Black "Stonehenge" from Simon Said "Silent Lucidity" from Heart "You Shook Me All Night Long" from The Slice Girls "Rock of Ages" from Swan Song "Thunderkiss '65" from Sex and Violence The Ghostfacers theme song from Ghostfacers "Hey Man, Nice Shot" from Skin "Run Through the Jungle" from Sin City "Vincent" - from Survival of the Fittest "Head Full of Doubt / Road Full of Promise" from Halt and Catch Fire "Rooster" from Folsom Prison Blues "The Famous Final Scene" from Road Trip "Cherry Pie" from The Song Remains the Same "Smoke on the Water" from Two and a Half Men "These Boots Are Made for Walking" from Meet the New Boss "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" from Skin "Play with Fire" from The Man Who Knew Too Much "I'll Just Wait Here Then" from Fan Fiction "Miracles" from Mommie Dearest "Can't Find My Way Home" from Do You Believe in Miracles "The Weight" from Hibbing 911 "Back in Black" from Bloodlust "Do You Love Me?" from The End "Goodbye Stranger" from Goodbye Stranger "Laugh, I Nearly Died" from Bloody Mary "Behind Blue Eyes" from Book of the Damned "Single Man Tear" from Fan Fiction "A Well-Respected Man" from It's A Terrible Life "The Road So Far" from Fan Fiction "Space Oddity" from Clap Your Hands If You Believe "Carry On Wayward Son" from Fan Fiction "Supernatural sitcom theme song" from Changing Channels "White Rabbit" from Hunted "All Out of Love" from Slash Fiction "Wanted Dead or Alive" from No Rest for the Wicked "Man in the Wilderness" from We Need to Talk About Kevin "Beautiful Loser" from Exile On Main St. "Heat of the Moment" from Mystery Spot "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" from A Very Supernatural Christmas "Simple Man" from Free to Be You and Me I love the top 3 and the Reaper from Faith...why do I have to choose...oh ya this is a contest...darn it.

-- "Renegade" from Nightshifter -- "Oh Death" from Two Minutes to Midnight + "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" from Dark Side of the Moon 24 - "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" from Dark Side of the Moon 23 - "Renegade" from Nightshifter 20 - "Oh Death" from Two Minutes to Midnight 14 - "Don't Fear the Reaper" from Faith 11 - "The Gambler" from Weekend at Bobby's 11 - "Bad Moon Rising" from Devil's Trap 08 - "Spirit in the Sky" from Good God, Y'all 03 - "Simple Man" from Free to Be You and Me Sent off after 3 encores and a lighter tribute and one drunk guy throwing a beer bottle.... "Cherry Pie" from Reichenbach "Bending Spoons in My Mind" from from Changing Channels "I'm Too Sexy" from Black "Stonehenge" from Simon Said "Silent Lucidity" from Heart "You Shook Me All Night Long" from The Slice Girls "Rock of Ages" from Swan Song "Thunderkiss '65" from Sex and Violence The Ghostfacers theme song from Ghostfacers "Hey Man, Nice Shot" from Skin "Run Through the Jungle" from Sin City "Vincent" - from Survival of the Fittest "Head Full of Doubt / Road Full of Promise" from Halt and Catch Fire "Rooster" from Folsom Prison Blues "The Famous Final Scene" from Road Trip "Cherry Pie" from The Song Remains the Same "Smoke on the Water" from Two and a Half Men "These Boots Are Made for Walking" from Meet the New Boss "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" from Skin "Play with Fire" from The Man Who Knew Too Much "I'll Just Wait Here Then" from Fan Fiction "Miracles" from Mommie Dearest "Can't Find My Way Home" from Do You Believe in Miracles "The Weight" from Hibbing 911 "Back in Black" from Bloodlust "Do You Love Me?" from The End "Goodbye Stranger" from Goodbye Stranger "Laugh, I Nearly Died" from Bloody Mary "Behind Blue Eyes" from Book of the Damned "Single Man Tear" from Fan Fiction "A Well-Respected Man" from It's A Terrible Life "The Road So Far" from Fan Fiction "Space Oddity" from Clap Your Hands If You Believe "Carry On Wayward Son" from Fan Fiction "Supernatural sitcom theme song" from Changing Channels "White Rabbit" from Hunted "All Out of Love" from Slash Fiction "Wanted Dead or Alive" from No Rest for the Wicked "Man in the Wilderness" from We Need to Talk About Kevin "Beautiful Loser" from Exile On Main St. "Heat of the Moment" from Mystery Spot "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" from A Very Supernatural Christmas

Hee hee. No wonder Sam is scared of clowns. Of course when I read that I remembered my dog "Bozo". He got his name for falling off the picnic table backwards and whining about not being able to put another bone in his mouth. Never mind he had his mouth stuffed with 3 bones already. We were watching Bozo the Clown when we gave my dog his name. My Dad and I said it at the same time. Now I wonder what Story Dean could share about Sam. I'm sure he was scared of Bozo...so when did the fear begin? :)

Right now the imaginary friend storyline sounds really stupid. The actor doesn't look promising. Maybe if I'm ready for a really bad ep when it airs I'll be surprised. I'm more forgiving if they tried something really cool and it failed vs they tried a really stupid idea and it failed. Shame they weren't going for "Harvey". An invisible white rabbit might be more interesting than this one...

Sniff Man in the wilderness and Beautiful Loser. Love them both. I think they are in my top 10. The ones that are left, only a few really stand out above the rest for me. --- "Renegade" from Nightshifter -- "The Gambler" from Weekend at Bobby's -- "Spirit in the Sky" from Good God, Y'all 24 - "Renegade" from Nightshifter 23 - "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" from Dark Side of the Moon 21 - "Oh Death" from Two Minutes to Midnight 15 - "Don't Fear the Reaper" from Faith 13 - "The Gambler" from Weekend at Bobby's 13 - "Bad Moon Rising" from Devil's Trap 11 - "Spirit in the Sky" from Good God, Y'all 09 - "Simple Man" from Free to Be You and Me 06 - "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" from A Very Supernatural Christmas 05 - "Heat of the Moment" from Mystery Spot Sent off after 3 encores and a lighter tribute and one drunk guy throwing a beer bottle.... "Cherry Pie" from Reichenbach "Bending Spoons in My Mind" from from Changing Channels "I'm Too Sexy" from Black "Stonehenge" from Simon Said "Silent Lucidity" from Heart "You Shook Me All Night Long" from The Slice Girls "Rock of Ages" from Swan Song "Thunderkiss '65" from Sex and Violence The Ghostfacers theme song from Ghostfacers "Hey Man, Nice Shot" from Skin "Run Through the Jungle" from Sin City "Vincent" - from Survival of the Fittest "Head Full of Doubt / Road Full of Promise" from Halt and Catch Fire "Rooster" from Folsom Prison Blues "The Famous Final Scene" from Road Trip "Cherry Pie" from The Song Remains the Same "Smoke on the Water" from Two and a Half Men "These Boots Are Made for Walking" from Meet the New Boss "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" from Skin "Play with Fire" from The Man Who Knew Too Much "I'll Just Wait Here Then" from Fan Fiction "Miracles" from Mommie Dearest "Can't Find My Way Home" from Do You Believe in Miracles "The Weight" from Hibbing 911 "Back in Black" from Bloodlust "Do You Love Me?" from The End "Goodbye Stranger" from Goodbye Stranger "Laugh, I Nearly Died" from Bloody Mary "Behind Blue Eyes" from Book of the Damned "Single Man Tear" from Fan Fiction "A Well-Respected Man" from It's A Terrible Life "The Road So Far" from Fan Fiction "Space Oddity" from Clap Your Hands If You Believe "Carry On Wayward Son" from Fan Fiction "Supernatural sitcom theme song" from Changing Channels "White Rabbit" from Hunted "All Out of Love" from Slash Fiction "Wanted Dead or Alive" from No Rest for the Wicked "Man in the Wilderness" from We Need to Talk About Kevin

Actually I loved Leverage. The song that Alona Tai was singing was actually written by Christian Kane. He released it on his album. At one time Kane and Jensen were friends...not sure if they still are. To me it was a fun mix of Get Smart and old timey spy shows. Then again I did like Jo on Supernatural. :)

Oh the satire...yep I got it. Also how they poke fun of people that aren't active by now having a reason as a big bad to drug them into the Hansel and Gretel story. Can't eat ya till your plump! I don't think you'll find a problem finding someone to discuss an idea. Yes, we still see the pretty and will always see the pretty...but we like looking at the issues too. So write away. Someone will respond. *insert evil laugh here* :)

For Science purposes of course. Someone posted on facebook. Shame "Still Life" didn't take off, I thought it was really smart writing. The many faces of Jensen through the years.

With what we've been given it would make sense. I still haven't watched Brother's Keeper again. Not sure it won't make me so angry that I quit...so waiting for a bit more. This next season could be a nice big surprise or a big fall on their face. If I don't expect much...I might just enjoy it. :)

For me the time to do the storyline "Justice" with Demon Dean has passed. They failed. So no I don't want to see it revisited. I did wonder if Death was trying to set up Dean to be his replacement at one point but that too has passed, and I don't think the current writers will go there. My interest now is Dean being the best hunter and man that he can be. I want good things for him. I think Jensen will always give his all to any project he is doing and I hope when he decides to leave Supernatural we will get to see something new and exciting on screen. I don't want him to disappear behind the camera as many other actors have done. But only time will tell what will happen. :)

First Welcome! That might be an interesting idea for the "darkness" not sure what they will do so I will wait a bit.. I think everyone knows I feel they wasted the Demon Dean storyline possibilities. Hated Darkness coming from no where when it should have been set up and could have been. Totally get your feelings on Charlie and NO I don't believe it was needed. Nor do I believe in order to keep up tension someone has to die. That is a group think of Hollywood. A bad idea that keeps lingering and I wish they would get there are many ways to create conflict and keep the fans entertained. Shoot in the old days people watched shows where the conflict was too weak. My problem is that always trying to make the stakes about death has now actually created a blank reaction to me. I don't find it thrilling nor does it pull me in. It just makes me mad and want to stop watching. I'm hoping by not having high hopes, I'll enjoy the season. I will admit that all the mess ups are giving me tons of ideas for writing but my time to do so isn't showing up like I wish. So feel free to stop lurking and add to the conversation. I've found the group to be very interesting. :)

I think it shows how well this show is with music. There are too many I love and in the moment I wouldn't take them down. So I can only look at what is my top 3 and the ones I would like to be in the top 10. I don't think I agree with everyone but I did love the sitcom theme song because it is what we want to see. No matter how bad it gets together we will face the day.

-- "Spirit in the Sky" from Good God, Y'all + "Beautiful Loser" from Exile on Main Street -- "Bad Moon Rising" from Devil's Trap 28 - "Renegade" from Nightshifter 23 - "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" from Dark Side of the Moon 21 - "Oh Death" from Two Minutes to Midnight 17 - "Don't Fear the Reaper" from Faith 15 - "The Gambler" from Weekend at Bobby's 14 - "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" from A Very Supernatural Christmas 13 - "Spirit in the Sky" from Good God, Y'all 13 - "Bad Moon Rising" from Devil's Trap 13 - "Simple Man" from Free to Be You and Me 12 - "Heat of the Moment" from Mystery Spot 11 - "Beautiful Loser" from Exile on Main Street 09 - "Wanted Dead or Alive" from No Rest for the Wicked 07 - "Man in the Wilderness" from We Need to Talk About Kevin 07 - "All Out of Love" from Slash Fiction Sent off after 3 encores and a lighter tribute and one drunk guy throwing a beer bottle.... "Cherry Pie" from Reichenbach "Bending Spoons in My Mind" from from Changing Channels "I'm Too Sexy" from Black "Stonehenge" from Simon Said "Silent Lucidity" from Heart "You Shook Me All Night Long" from The Slice Girls "Rock of Ages" from Swan Song "Thunderkiss '65" from Sex and Violence The Ghostfacers theme song from Ghostfacers "Hey Man, Nice Shot" from Skin "Run Through the Jungle" from Sin City "Vincent" - from Survival of the Fittest "Head Full of Doubt / Road Full of Promise" from Halt and Catch Fire "Rooster" from Folsom Prison Blues "The Famous Final Scene" from Road Trip "Cherry Pie" from The Song Remains the Same "Smoke on the Water" from Two and a Half Men "These Boots Are Made for Walking" from Meet the New Boss "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" from Skin "Play with Fire" from The Man Who Knew Too Much "I'll Just Wait Here Then" from Fan Fiction "Miracles" from Mommie Dearest "Can't Find My Way Home" from Do You Believe in Miracles "The Weight" from Hibbing 911 "Back in Black" from Bloodlust "Do You Love Me?" from The End "Goodbye Stranger" from Goodbye Stranger "Laugh, I Nearly Died" from Bloody Mary "Behind Blue Eyes" from Book of the Damned "Single Man Tear" from Fan Fiction "A Well-Respected Man" from It's A Terrible Life "The Road So Far" from Fan Fiction "Space Oddity" from Clap Your Hands If You Believe "Carry On Wayward Son" from Fan Fiction "Supernatural sitcom theme song" from Changing Channels "White Rabbit" from Hunted

Just imagine Dean's glee from seeing a distraught Sam crying about his hair. Hmm...someone should write it up. lol

Oh I know how family can set you off even when you've trained yourself to respond differently...So yes Dean and Sam getting upset at each other is normal. I just want the upsets to be organic than manipulation of writing. I also know when your depressed, hurting your more vulnerable to the patterns than when you are feeling better. So it is why I wish for the lighter times of Season 1. The boys did have a few bumps and I expect they will always have some bumps along the road. As you say being with each other 24/7 it's amazing if they weren't trying to kill each other sometimes. :)

The thing about your perception of acting has nothing to do with good vs bad acting. Because I'm trained I get taken out of the story by bad acting. Other's would never notice and that is fine. Really it is about did it move you. Did you feel connected. Just so you know Actors can also fight over what is good and bad acting. :) I'm not sure if I've figured out what makes me not believe. I don't have time to watch season 7 right now...so I am going by what I felt. You MAY not have felt the same thing and that is perfectly Valid. My disconnect was several things. I wasn't happy with what they were doing with Dean and Sam. I was so over the guilt and boys not getting along. I wanted them to figure out they were better together vs being separate. I wanted them to save the world together. To make the time apart have meaning. If you feel that everything was fine and really great acting, sometimes it is because the story being told is something you can relate to. Jared just takes me out at the weirdest times. I think 10 I felt more of a connection with him and didn't judge so much. He's grown so much since Season 1...which he should have.. Also I am a creative type. Emotions and body language grab my attention more than logic. I can see some of your points, I just never felt them if that makes sense, so it creates a disconnect. I found myself going here he goes again. Every time Sam leaves, I felt the manipulation by the bad writing. Especially when they talk about how it looked and sounded like a break up scene (Jensen & Jared). Part of the problem I had that Sam did mean what he said in Season 1 under the influence. It made sense on too many levels and Sam saying I didn't mean it doesn't work for me. It felt like he was ignoring his own thoughts and feelings. Not truthful. But we can agree to disagree. :) There are places we are in agreement. Sam in a big dress needing Dean to ride up on the white horse...is so overdone. Never again...Samsel in distress, I don't want another repeat, either. IA Sam being crappy to Dean without reason NEEDS to stop. CARVER can you please pay attention. I want to see how the Brother's face this together. I'm hoping this is what we will get. But I'm also ready for the writing to trash it all up and make us all bang our heads on the desk. Now in time I might feel different about the last half of 6 - 7. But I'm going in with very little expectations, so if it really good I can feel great about it. I really think on the big picture we are in agreement. It's the small things, really that is where we don't agree. :)

+ "Beautiful Loser" from Exile on Main Street -- "The Gambler" from Weekend at Bobby's -- "Simple Man" from Free to Be You and Me 28 - "Renegade" from Nightshifter 24 - "Oh Death" from Two Minutes to Midnight 23 - "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" from Dark Side of the Moon 19 - "Don't Fear the Reaper" from Faith 16 - "Beautiful Loser" from Exile on Main Street 16 - "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" from A Very Supernatural Christmas 15 - "Bad Moon Rising" from Devil's Trap 15 - "Spirit in the Sky" from Good God, Y'all 15 - "Heat of the Moment" from Mystery Spot 15 - "Simple Man" from Free to Be You and Me 15 - "The Gambler" from Weekend at Bobby's 15 - "All Out of Love" from Slash Fiction 13 - "Wanted Dead or Alive" from No Rest for the Wicked 09 - "Man in the Wilderness" from We Need to Talk About Kevin 05 - "White Rabbit" from Hunted 03 - "Supernatural sitcom theme song" from Changing Channels Sent off after 3 encores and a lighter tribute and one drunk guy throwing a beer bottle.... "Cherry Pie" from Reichenbach "Bending Spoons in My Mind" from from Changing Channels "I'm Too Sexy" from Black "Stonehenge" from Simon Said "Silent Lucidity" from Heart "You Shook Me All Night Long" from The Slice Girls "Rock of Ages" from Swan Song "Thunderkiss '65" from Sex and Violence The Ghostfacers theme song from Ghostfacers "Hey Man, Nice Shot" from Skin "Run Through the Jungle" from Sin City "Vincent" - from Survival of the Fittest "Head Full of Doubt / Road Full of Promise" from Halt and Catch Fire "Rooster" from Folsom Prison Blues "The Famous Final Scene" from Road Trip "Cherry Pie" from The Song Remains the Same "Smoke on the Water" from Two and a Half Men "These Boots Are Made for Walking" from Meet the New Boss "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" from Skin "Play with Fire" from The Man Who Knew Too Much "I'll Just Wait Here Then" from Fan Fiction "Miracles" from Mommie Dearest "Can't Find My Way Home" from Do You Believe in Miracles "The Weight" from Hibbing 911 "Back in Black" from Bloodlust "Do You Love Me?" from The End "Goodbye Stranger" from Goodbye Stranger "Laugh, I Nearly Died" from Bloody Mary "Behind Blue Eyes" from Book of the Damned "Single Man Tear" from Fan Fiction "A Well-Respected Man" from It's A Terrible Life "The Road So Far" from Fan Fiction "Space Oddity" from Clap Your Hands If You Believe "Carry On Wayward Son" from Fan Fiction

@Awesom04000, I don't have time to take each point now. So I'll answer more tomorrow. I'm not going by fans...I'm going by what characters said and writers. I'm an actress...you take information from the characters, what other characters say and what the writer tells you to collect data to define your character. Crowley talked about how Sam's being locked in the cage was far worse experience than being in Hell. Death talked about it too. My short point is by the time season 5 finished. I no longer liked Sam. By the way I still wasn't agreeing with those that said Dean didn't have a story line at that time. I was still both brother fan. I laughed at many of the comments I saw. However, as you know the final left a bad taste in my mouth and what it did to Dean's story still doesn't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy. More like you feel about Sam in season 8. I want growth for both. My problem became issue which is a re statement...we've talked about this before...not trying to be mean honestly...but I also teach debate. So Dean's story of being the vessel is dropped. His story of being a family man is written poorly in some ways and others not so much. 7 is a mess Period. Yes Sam says the words but his actions don't match up. He may say he is sorry but his actions go back to nope Dean you messed up. I started hating Sam in season 7. I kept waiting for it to be addressed but it wasn't. I almost stopped watching. 8 has a storyline for Dean but it is dropped again. So it was no more fulfilling for me than Sam's storyline was for you. Just as you can find evidence to back up your side. I can find the same for my point of view. I doubt we will agree. Another issue might be something simple as Jared's acting...his non verbal acting. I'm very trained in nonverbal cues. Most of acting is the non verbal over the words. Sure Sam said the things you've talked about but his actions vetoed it. If you say no but nod your head yes, your stronger message isn't with the words but the body language. I never believed Sam's body language. Jensen does an amazing job here with body language. His actions match his words. This may be the issue with Jared's acting. I'm just now focusing on this...so I will have to watch more to see if that is the problem. Also I knew what they were doing with Sam. It's why I hate horror stories, I don't really get fooled. I knew Sam was wrong and blind. Then it is finally confirmed but Sam is the last one to figure it out. I also ended with, I don't care if I'm right or your right. I no longer care at all whether Sam's story or Dean's story is the right one. I no longer want to rehash the past seasons of how this character was trashed over this one. It's been such a mess for so long, for me the second half of season 4. I care more now about the writer's fixing the issues. This is an area of agreement. You want Sam to have to face what he has done and to be a hero. I want the brother's fighting the good fight together. I want to root for them and if they have moments where they drive me mad, I want to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I want something new, not a remix of the old song and dance. I want the brothers to laugh again. To tease each other. For Sam to tell Dean, I know that hunting is my gig but I can't do it without you...just so we're clear. For the show's focus to go back to it's roots of hope. I did watch 7 just not the day it aired. I watched the same shows you did, but I didn't see Sam growing until Dean was no longer coping at all. When Dean told Sam not to be a dick after he got the message from Ellen, I cheered, about time. The Amy story hated it and thought it was stupid for Sam to leave Dean over. (That one I blame the writing...it sucked) At this point I no longer was a brothers fan and I searched high and low for fanfics to help me want to love Sam again. I really see Carver seeing that these issues weren't addressed and wanting to put his spin on it. Sam's purge speech just made me want to kill him. But then came Season 10. Sam fighting when the tables were turned, started to heal the long issues, and some to be honest have been part of Sam since Season 1. I'll end, because this was much longer than I intended. In debate there are 2 sides. Both have something that is true. Although your fears for Sam came true, I didn't see him being as bad as I did in season 4 & 5. Now it wasn't about him. Now it was about Dean. Needing a win. I wanted him to win. I wanted Sam to save Dean but I also wanted Dean to save Dean. Conflict the major ingredient for a good drama. It was a natural conflict. Remember I was furious with the season final of season 10. Sue B has had to work hard to get me to calm down. :) Sorry Sue. I'm back to I love both brothers. I want both to have something unique and cool. I want to have my cake and eat it too. :) Don't know if any of this helps as I'm tired. I didn't proof carefully so things may be too blunt. I do not mean to offend. :)

So yes, Jared is number one on the call sheet. They cast Sam first. He had the "Chosen One" plot. But the turning point of the series was an episode about about Dean and their relationship. And the relationship became the central theme. Kripke's "Chosen One' saga was over at the end of S5. And we are starting our sixth year after. When Jensen says it's going back to S1, I believe he means it's going back to "Saving People, Hunting Things, The Family Business". The Apocalypse will motor on in the background but these guys are going to fight the good fight again. As a team. I think Faith was a turning point of Dean being more than a side kick. I didn't really see him not important in season 1. In fact as the season grew on me, I liked Dean so much more than Sam. Sam many ways may have had the Luke story line but the more interesting character for me was Dean. I felt I could read Sam like an open book. Where with Dean I had these questions as I realized what he showed to the world didn't match who he was. IA that Sam looked so much better in S10. I loved him again. I felt his desperation to save his brother. I just wished he would have been a little more open. The lines he said to Charlie needs to be told to Dean in a short version. IMO. I agree that Season 1 reset is getting back to the business of saving people and the family business. Looking at their actions. This is what is making me interested and hopeful. I'm still cautious because I've been burned once too many...but I am willing to give it a try. I can't give this show up because the information I know about the actors makes me want to watch. Jensen and Jared's chemistry is something else. It will be missed when they move on to other projects. But I'm so glad they love working with each other and don't have the competition between them. I think Carver cares, but his disconnect may be he is a writer but not a speaker. He isn't good with non verbal cues. It creates a big what???? But I don't think any of the head writers haven't cared. I think they've gotten caught up in group think. Just as Faith was a turning point, hopefully some things in S10 is another.

My problem is I don't agree. I don't see Sam getting this great redemption at the end of Season 5. Because at that point I just didn't care. Sam was an such an ass. So what he was in the cage. With everything that happens afterwards, it really doesn't mean anything. Look how many died. They might have actually saved more life's by becoming Lucifer's & Michael's vessels. Now I'm suppose to feel sorry for him for being in the cage when Dean's time in hell is now considered a picnic. All it did was make me angry. That's it and I didn't care about how Sam suffered. I think this is the part that Carver may be trying to address. For those that saw Sam being redeemed for his big mistakes, they are left shaking his head. But for those of us who felt he still hadn't because he said that what I went through made it even. Really, I doubt the ones that were left behind to deal with the deaths felt Sam had resolved the issue for them. Plus now I'm just too sick holy Sam...it was a little too late. So now I'm done with let's fix the mess the writers made. I just don't care who is to blame and who did what. I felt manipulated through season 4 & 5. I didn't feel sympathetic to Sam in season 6 & 7. @Awsome04000 we don't really agree. For every point you say that Dean gets the hero moment I also heard and saw fans saying how Mean Dean was being to Poor Sam. The same Sam that belittled his brother's time in hell. Who ignored his brother's warning and basically told him he didn't matter. Was Dean responsible for Sam feeling guilty because his brother went to hell to bring him back...okay. But Sam also is responsible for his own actions as he told Dean he was responsible for his own actions. I'm not interested in the fingering point of who is to blame. Enough bad has been done by both. I want them to finally put it behind them and move forward. Just acknowledge that this is such a mess and Nothing can be done to make it sound better than by trying to saving people and helping them put their lives back on track. I want the brother's to think about the consequences before they decide to close up hell or etc. But basically I'm done with the blame game. So I'm trying really hard to believe that the writers have figured out how to get the boys out of the plot holes they created and move forward in an interesting way. Rehashing the past issues, is just tiresome and boring. Of course, no one needs to agree with my point of view. We can agree we see things differently. :) Tomorrow I might feel differently as I reserve the right to change my mind. But for this moment, this is what I see.