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No clue if it is the reason, but I wonder if Covid was the reason that the team handled most of the bad guys. They should have used a montage of the characters they wanted to showcase but couldn't have live. It would have helped a little.

Yes, I found a report that he couldn't make it work even though he wanted to. Too bad that they didn't at least address it. Weakness of writing and it shows the flaws of characterizations in this last season. In real life, if you lose a friend you would react. So if they put those reactions in, at least it would have made season 9 stronger. I think it shows that everyone was ready to move on.

The final had some strong moments but was also filled with weak ones. So I’m glad they ended the show instead of trying to go on and just getting canceled. Eddied deserved more time to tell his story. They could have started it with just a small introduction and still tell the stories they had. Set up a mystery of what is happening. Then the ending could have been powerful. It just shows that the writers are tired too. It’s not awful but it’s more of a whimper than a shout-out. I’m glad there was a happy ending for Eddie as he didn’t deserve to end as a bad guy. I didn’t have an issue with Iris not having too much to do as she has been overused in past seasons and she got plenty of heartfelt moments in this one. Cisco should have been at least mentioned. A phone call congratulating Barry on the birth of his daughter would have been so easy to fit in at the last party scene. So many misses, as others have mentioned. But it’s not the worst final out there. I just wish it had been more satisfying. I’m glad we did get to wrap up with the ones we did see but I wish we could have had some other cast members there at least mentioned. The good does outweigh the bad...but my favorite seasons are the first few.

Since I taught middle school, I didn't see Kyle leaving the kids for a few hours as soooooo terrible. Shoot I was younger than Sarah when I was left at home with my baby brother and sister for several hours. But it was more the sneaking to be with his girlfriend and Lana isn't over what happened. Sophie sitting in the empty fairgrounds, was so they could film the scene with Jonathan and Sophie there. This was the best scene that Jonathan has gotten this season and it was a strong one so I'll give it a little slack since it was plot driven for character development. I agree the point was to show that both Lana, Kyle, and Sarah are ignoring Sophie. Without this scene, she isn't really needed, is she? One issue I've had with Jonathan this season as he didn't really have much to do. This was the first time that I felt he was needed. ? this is a major issue so is Clark covering up how close they came to losing his son today? I suspect the slipup on calling Jordan's name will be used against the family soon. For those that hate Jordan's whining, is again plot-driven. They can't figure out how to create conflict without it. It's also something his character would do, as he doesn't really have a handle on how to deal with his social interactions. I agree. Fact, I'm liking this villain better than season 2 as both are not all bad. This was the first one that I need to watch again.

I will admit I was so confused. I didn't even remember why Barry had extra years. This is the flaw of the series later years. Things are too easily forgotten. I did like seeing Dig, Wally, and Oliver. I wanted more time with Wally. Shame we couldn't have explored his character a bit more. Her character is confusing as her powers seem to mimic Frost but is supposed to be different. Also too much tell in this last season. We should have shown them missing Caitlyn and creating conflict with this new version. It's part of the reason that I'm not invested in the show anymore. I agree. I didn't mind the fan service—definitely a better ep for this season but so many flaws as well. The weird TV show moment took me out of the show. I get why Flash is ending. I just wish it would go out with a bang and not a whimper. I want to see Flash be an important member of his show. lol. I did like that Kid Flash and the Flash helped fix the big problem and it wasn't all given to the Green Arrow. I was kind of hoping we would see Cisco one last time but I guess it isn't meant to be. At least a line that he called or a pretend phone call could have fixed both characters that were missing, Joe and Cisco. I did like the ending and it was a nice throwback.

I think that this one had some moments that worked. Carlos and John stood out more than the other characters. Millie was a great supportive character that I enjoyed seeing. I didn't care to see Jack again. Could easily cut him and just have Bobby deliver a few lines so that Dean doesn't spill too much to this John and Mary. I get why they did an AU multiverse storyline. Otherwise, the Jared/Sam fans would have had a fit. Personally, I'm tired of Sam...so I liked this about Dean. Plus it fits his character. He is someone that would break/bend the rules. Since he's driven to see if anyone got a happy ending, for me it works. Loved the Driver picks the music line. Was this a masterpiece? Nope. But then again, Season 1 of Supernatural wasn't either. Both have flaws. But there are things that could create a stronger story. The big bad is mixed as parts is unexpected but also not really strong enough. But I can also like that they didn't make it a big cliffhanger. If this was something that would have lasted longer, they could have expanded, but I liked that they had gotten back into hunting to save people. If it continued, which I'm thinking it won't...you could divide the hunts up into Carlos and the gang one week, the next John and Mary. I think one of the reasons I enjoyed it more than some; I didn't compare it to the original. Kudos to Jensen and Robbie. For a first time out in the driver's seat, I think they had some good moments. Experience is the key for stronger storylines. They certainly did better than the last two years of SPN. Plus I'll take the add on to Dean's character. It does improve the poor storytelling of the final. I'd give the show a good solid 5 and a few got up to a 6. This one had a nice resolve for the season's ending.

Except I wouldn't be back. It will be easy to delete the app and not look back. I'm sure there are those that enjoy trash TV... I'm just not one of them. I'm only checking out Flash and the Winchesters Once it's clear there is nothing here for me to see, I'll delete and move on. I do think the Winchesters turned out much better than I expected.

One of the things that is funny to me is that in Season 1 of Supernatural there were similar complaints of the show being slow and etc. Then I noticed that the last four eps really picked up the pace and made the show interesting. Kind of like Star Wars and ET. Both movies started off slow and boring even. Then the ending is what you remember and gets you excited for more. There are moments that are interesting and I believe Carlos and John are more interesting to watch. I like Millie every time I see her. Covid may still be causing issues as we see the characters spaced out in the fighting scenes. IA with the ratings of 6 or 7 with ten being the best. I'm not really spending my time with comparison because I think I can see how they tie this into cannon. I'm not compelled to watch the show each week. The scripts could be tighter and need someone to do some editing and adding just more movement without dialogue could even help. They do seem to be stuck in tell vs show. I'm hoping we will see the connections that Jensen and Robbie have promised, but I think you would enjoy it more if you just watch without wanting the cannon explained. Shoot Robbie is doing better that the last two seasons of Supernatural. The monsters have been familiar, but not always in the way you expected. I do like that they are pushing hunting to save people angle.

I found several issues with transitions, that created confusion. The pace was off on some eps, and then it would deliver it in spades. The first arch seemed to be the strongest on a second watch. The prison arch had some unbelievable moments that took me out of the story. I felt that they did do strong character arcs, but some of the plot holes also harm the story. On rewatch, I did fast forward through the bits that didn't work so well the first time. I think the show is stronger if you don't have to wait for the next one to drop, so it flows a little better. But the writing was uneven. The did a lot of killing off characters that they had made you care about. Then it felt as if they just jumped without really setting up where it was going. Hence my criticism about transitions. Some eps did better on the transitions than others. On the whole, it is an interesting story and worth watching. I wouldn't even have a problem with watching season 2. I would rate the weaker eps closer to a 6 and then the stronger ones jump to 8/9. Most of the positive parts have been addressed several times. IA. I wish that B2EMO gets a happy ending. Not sure we've seen such a sad droid before for as long as this one experienced. The acting had several outstanding moments for this series. It could be the flaw that they tried to do too much with the first season. They did do some wonderful fleshing out with minor characters, so the potential is high that they can improve.

Just as a Teacher/ director, even I know you don't point a prop gun at a person ever. I didn't think negative of Alec until I heard him speak. Saying he didn't feel guilty totally took any sympathy I felt for him away. By the way, I would check the gun and I've never used a prop gun on set. All of my guns were toy guns, or a gun without any ammo. Later we went to water pistols. I only used sound effects for gun effects. Kids and prop guns would not be a good mix. I expect more from a trained Hollywood movie actor. I wouldn't hire Alec now because he only blames others instead of taking responsibility for what he's done. It does sound like he didn't do his producer job correctly, by hiring inexperienced people. Trying to cut corners made an unsafe set. Luckily, Jensen is the type that will keep his mouth shut, so hopefully it won't create any negative backlash for him.

Alec Baldwin thinks the lawsuit will clear his name...that's a laugh. How anyone can believe he didn't pull the trigger... I wish Jensen can avoid the negative press on this. Not sure that he can. Shame as I was looking forward to seeing him in a western. January may be wishful thinking to get the filming started again. It's amazing how slow the conclusions are taking on this project.

I grew up in a strong Southern Baptist small town and only in the music and drama areas in college in the 80s did I get exposed to someone being gay. Had a gay relative, and we talked about how even the gays would have an issue with the openly gay guys. His words not mine. He was the only relative that was supportive of me trying to make it in the acting industry. Unfortunately, like many...aids was a killer. Really, the 60s is probably the last era where everyone dressed the same and if you talked with someone that was younger in that time period, they might disagree. LOL> It's why I'm not really focusing on the hairstyles and clothing. As long as it gives the flavor, I can either roll eyes and move on or ignore it. So far nothing's really stood out and pulled me out of the story costume wise. Now some acting and story parts sure, but I expect that the first season.

I loved how they allowed the scene to end without any words. Allowing the action to explain it all. Such a strong ending. I love how strong Millie has been written. I wish Mary equalled it for me. But she is improving. I can't figure out if it is the writing or acting, but this might be the first ep; I would willingly watch again. One point, in this time period you didn't talk about gay. And most wouldn't even think of a person being gay. It was in the closet around adults. So the grownups would see a hippie/stoner with disregard to the rules of society. Also, a heathen that needed saving, especially in a small town. You can't apply today's standards to the past. I would expect to see Carlos doing a lot more drugs. Guys' hair was longer as the 70s went on. In the 70s we had a banna wagon, the nickname for the Volkswagen bus. Otherwise it was mainly American cars which you kept for a long time. You didn't go buy a new car as you kept the old for a while. I would expect to see trucks, but I know we had a car and a van. Dad got the truck when we needed one for the trailer. I grew up with keeping a car for at least 10 years. My first car I had for 13 and it was used. Carlos is Navy by his uniform. John was Marines by supernatural, so I would guess it still is that. Depends on how what happened when they left Nam. Just read one guy's account, his troop was dirty and stinky and not allowed to shower until he got on the base. Plus he kept getting pretty nasty greetings as they called him baby killer and etc. So John may not have cut his hair to the standard we would expect today. Some might though. So I'll give it a drama license for making the story interesting vs being totally spot on. Just food for thought. In many time periods, the costumes weren't period pieces. Instead, they were to reflect the fashion to wear. An even today, a period piece, usually has elements of today's looks woven into the production. It's really rare to see a true period piece. I thought this one had some nice character moments, and a few surprises. I hope they can keep it up.

I watched that show once and hated it. So it won't be hard for me to ignore the CW if that is the new direction. I certainly wouldn't pay for it. It's also a learning curve for producing good shows. So in that regard, it is a win/win even if it gets canceled. As his show got picked up and others didn't. The show is improving, but it didn't knock it out of the park right away. But it's a great training ground. Just like the first play you direct may suck, it's the springboard to launch a career. Depends on ratings and can they find some creative ways to make the show cheaper. I think from what I read, the biggest obstacle is how much it costs to make an ep.

Totally missed it. But to be fair, I'm only watching once. I have enjoyed that they are doing Old school monsters of the week vs demons and angels. I liked the characters a little more, but still not hooked. Many have stated the issues well. I think one of the missing ingredients that Dean brought to the table was a larger-than-life joy of hunting. Not that it was always funny, but the passion for the hunt...We don't really have someone that fits that yet. John is learning. Mary wants out. Carlos is the closest to fit the bill, but he wasn't really that for this ep. The pacing may be off. Although there are some really strong moments, there are still plenty of yawn moments. The kids were a nice strong addition to the ep. The ending worked. The music always seems to be spot on. Supernatural season 1 had some off eps, too, but usually the boys pulled you in. As the chemistry grows with this cast, perhaps we will feel the same?

Remember, there was only G, PG and then R. Most families went to G rated movies and they weren't all kid movies. Some had adult issues. So G wasn't the G of today's standards. People didn't get so hurt either by what someone said and you could poke fun of people and it wasn't considered rude. I know as a teacher I had to change what I taught in the late 90's as people got more conservative and what once was okay to show in middle school suddenly wasn't okay. I do know the 70's but depending on where you lived the 70's could still have a 60's feel. In my small town, the Southern Baptist had a major hold on the community. Their hold was so strong that you had to drive 30 miles to buy alcohol. Doesn't mean kids didn't drink. Legal age was 18, so a 16-year-old could easily steal from friends and family. My hometown stayed dry for almost 50 years. The last five years it started changing and hard liquor can now be bought in town. I can see this to a point, but Carlos is the main character that lightens the mood. He starts it. I haven't been drawn to watch an ep twice though. I've watched it once and had some reactions and forgotten about it. I'm not attached to this show like I was too Supernatural. Mary and John aren't pulling me in the same way that Dean did. Although at the beginning I was a brother fan, Dean still grabbed my attention more. Carlos seems to be the character is doing that for me in this show. I'm more interested in learning about his background. Mary and John need to lighten up more. I'm glad they showed some fun moments which does help. For me, something is still off and I can't figure out what the missing ingredient is...I'm just not hooked yet. Maybe it will change? I'm not seeing this big love affair between John and Mary, but I'm fine with it building slowly.

This may be the missing ingredient. Mary is very by the book, no nonsense let's just get this hunt over with so I can find dad. John is also, I just want to learn how to do this. So the only comic relief comes from the other two characters and Carlos is the strongest potential. So it may not be a fault of the characters set up as they created two very determined and not one that can say hey, lighten up. Perhaps Carlos will help either John or Mary to lighten up, but this may be what's the issue I have with this Mary and why the OG felt so much more. Not sure if that makes sense. Still fighting a migraine.

I'm still having an issue with this, Mary. She did improve, but something's off. I did like this ep more. The music was so spot on and added to the characters. For those that were worried that John wouldn't be a rookie in hunting, I do think they are showing that part well. We got some nice character moments but I agree they are having to split so much with more characters vs just 2 leads that it is making it weaker. Still it has the nice early vibe of Supernatural. I'm hoping it will continue to build and become more satisfying. I'm also seeing something new, John and Millie may have issues but they are being allowed to be capable of having growth in their relationship. I hope that contines and doesn't fall back into they didn't learn anything and just rinse and repeat issues. Didn't think it was a character that we know. I also never saw Hell Hounds. Guess Halloween is influencing me as I saw creepy spiders. But you're ignoring how the original played with timelines all the time. Heck, they wiped Mary's mind and made her believe that the angels watching over them was a good thing. For now, I'm willing to wait and see. We may even find out why this Mary seems so off compared to Amy's Mary. I didn't start Supernatural until Season 3 at the very end, so perhaps because I already had an idea of who Sam and Dean were...It colored my impression of season 1. So far for me, the Supernatural pilot seemed stronger. But Carlos is quickly becoming a standout for me.. I'd give the show a 7 so I'll give it a few more eps before I pass judgment.

The big issue I had was how magically quick that Jaimie is healed. It isn't possible in real life. Eddie's over the top is weird for someone that is in law enforcement. I blame the writing. It would have been better if several scenes had fewer lines and more reactions. You can say a lot with action. As others have stated, a mixed bag. The potential was high, shame the mistakes really take you out of the story.

Ha Ha Ha, if you just look on here at the comments, it will show quickly that nope it isn't unanimously considered being the best. The argument that did Dean helped Sam win is also argued, constantly. Faith and Nightshifter are both higher for me than season 5 finale. I don't put much stock in Reddit. Maybe it is the twitter crowd that feels this way but again... I don't pay attention to twitter anymore. Faith has 8.8 Nightshifter is 8.9 and Swan Song is 9.7 on IMBD. So perhaps it is the IMBD ratings. Now do I agree...Hell NO!

Kind of my feelings for all of season 14 and 15. I might watch one ep here and there but on the whole I'll skip it. I still haven't had the urge to watch Supernatural from the beginning. I also don't believe in what they created for Heaven anyway, so I don't bother to think about what they could have done. Although I didn't mind the beginning of the angel stories, I really wish they hadn't made the angels worthless. Making both Angels and Demons bad left nothing to hope for. I don't find it satisfying storywise so I kind of just ignore the whole thing.

One thing they can play with and it is cannon. I went to Missouri...Sam and Dean are the ones trying to figure out what that meant. So what if they had it wrong all along? If John went to find Missouri the person vs the state it still fits with cannon. I loved the music and forgot to say that. I thought that Dean could be open to interpretation. I did believe he was writing this down for Sam, but when this happens is a big question mark. For now, I'm not really trying to figure it out. I suspect more hints will be given down the road.

Actually, the first time I met some vets in College and High School, he's not that far off. One guy was like my protective older brother. He did do drugs and was always happy. He was constantly joking around and trying to get you to laugh. I was in college when we met. He was constantly telling me that I couldn't do drugs and what parties I could and couldn't attend. Which in the theatre dept. it's everywhere. The other guy had been in a much harsher situation; I met him in High school. He hated the world and thought everyone was out to harm him. When I watched Platoon, it became clear. He had to watch his back from everyone, including his so-called fellow Americans. I didn't work with him for long but every other word was a cuss word. So my point is, John is showing signs of PTSD and yet trying to look like everything is fine. Most Vets have something in common, they don't want to talk about it with someone who hasn't been, especially Nam. Remember many of these soldiers had been called names and spit on when they came back from War. It's not like it is today. So I didn't expect them to go heavy on realism on this part in the pilot, especially since they had so much story to tell. I thought the flashbacks did show that he was having trouble. Plus the need to do something to help someone to make amends for not saving his friend worked for me. I did like it on first watch. Are there questions, sure. I liked John more than Mary. Carlos looks interesting. The rest of the gang...I'm willing to hold judgment. IA I liked it. I'm expecting that they will explain how this ties into the Original but I also think it can stand on it's own. You don't have to watched Supernatural to figure this one out. So new fans can enjoy it. I do have a wish that Mary felt closer to Amy Gumenick Mary. But perhaps they'll find the right mix. I know in some shows it can take several eps before the actors totally gel and it works. In all I'm willing to give it a shot. Not bad I could easily give it a 6 out of 10

Also remember that Jensen has said many times, :"Give the fans what they want but not as they expect." So if they are doing this it should be done over several eps. Even SP only answered a few questions and added questions over the beginning. All good shows do that. The real question is how engaging is each ep on its own and how much it drives you to want to see more. If the characters are strong and pull you into the story, then I believe the show has a chance. Until you see what they are delivering, you won't know if it will be good or not. In fact, I believe if the show has a mystery and doesn't give into the immediate gratification, it will pull more audience members in and the past ones that are willing to watch if it is a good story.

Not sure why you felt the need to insult...And I'm sure the fans are aware that they are actors that got a nice profit off the show. I watch a show because I care about the characters. But I also know what it takes to act/direct. So your point is mute. Go be negative elsewhere. As you stated, the show is over. If you don't care about the characters, spend your time doing something you like. No need to attack or try to be insulting.