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YES!! When Ash was giving his "seminar," my husband said, "Wait...I've heard this before!" and found this video. He even used the same example of going fishing as this guy used. He didn't even try to put any of that in his own words. We figured Ash was getting all flustered because he couldn't remember the lines he memorized. LOL

SKB’s Instagram says the year is 2045 when Rebecca is on her presumed deathbed. If the big 3 were born in 1980, that would make them 65 in this scene. And if Rebecca was born in 1950, she would be 95. Which makes the aging seem a bit more appropriate. Also that would make Jack Jr (Damon) around 25-26, and it’s possible his baby is born right around when Rebecca dies, if not that same day. Theoretically I would imagine Jack Jr could be pretty close to Rebecca. Edited to add: Kevin’s babies with Madison would also be in their early-mid 20s at this point. So these kids are not the same ones Madison is currently pregnant with. Perhaps he is adopting or fostering in the future? Or has more kids with Madison or someone else? Or maybe his now 20-something daughter was a very young teen mom to twins and he is a grandpa at 65??

I'm calling Grocery Store Joe as the next Bachelor

Oops -- Can this be deleted?? I meant to hit edit on this, but pushed the quote button instead. Sorry!

My thoughts exactly! They couldn't possibly have found a young blonde actress that resembled grown Sophie just a bit more? My husband was shocked to find out the actress who plays young Beth isn't grown Beth's actual daughter in real life, LOL. I didn't necessarily think Kevin was feeling bad or sad about the actual hookup with Madison...but he had just run to Kate's house from a few emotional days with his now-engaged ex-wife, going to the spot where he learned of his dad's passing, plus, Madison is Kate's friend and he and Kate are so close. Likely a lot of complicated feelings there that don't have to include regret about Madison specifically. We'll see...Madison could likely end up as his pregnant fiancee, but not all engagements lead to marriage. So who knows if she will ever become his wife. It could still be Sophie too, there was a lot of focus put on that ring. I could also see Sophie's discovery of the emerald ring as a moment of her saying goodbye to her mom AND to Kevin. I doubt this would happen, but what if Sophie gets pregnant with Grant's baby, but ends up engaged to Kevin? Unlikely, but not impossible, and would make for some interesting episodes. On a personal note, since this was a Kevin episode, I am a bartender in LA and Justin Hartley and his (future ex-) wife sat at my bar on July 4. I was SUPER cranky that day about having to go to work, as I forgot to request the holiday off and was bummed I didn't get to spend it with my family. We were so busy, and finally in the late afternoon, we had a bit of a lull and I was thankful to have a moment to catch my breath. I went to the restroom, and when I came back I saw a couple standing at the bar, and thought, "Ugghhhh. Okay, back to work, here we go again..." Turned out to be Justin Hartley and his wife. He was LOVELY and stupid good-looking. He had me create a special cocktail for him, and bought a round of beers for the entire bar (and one for me, but I wasn't allowed to drink it until after my shift). At one point, he and his wife were fighting about something, and it was a little awkward because it was a small bar and I could pretty much hear everything. And of course we all know how that turned out. But he really made my day and I was thrilled to have met him. Funny enough, he is one of my "hall passes", but alas, I did not receive a private John Legend concert! I did enjoy my beer though 🙂

Kelsey looks like Jeffree Star to me. I thought that leaving the "Kobe!" at the end was appropriate. It was an organic moment that happened while shooting baskets, and coincidentally aired the day after his passing. Not in poor taste at all, and I'm glad it was left in. I live in LA, so it's been a particularly sad week with memorials and tributes everywhere, including a big basket outside the Staples Center with a sign on it that says "You know what to do" ❤️

What if Kate or Toby had some kind of affair? Could Tess have been chosen as a surrogate and something went wrong with that? Would that fit the timeline?

It can! Google 'botox spock brow.' As a Botox user myself...yikes.

Did anyone else notice in the gift bags for the kids, the little girl pulled out two ceramic creme brulee/quiche dishes? And sweetly said something like, "I could really use these!" We thought maybe they were going to do some baking with them or something, but nope. The sparkly unicorn trinkets were appropriate, but the creme brulee dishes seemed like an odd choice to gift a child with. I don't get the appeal with Tia. My fiance said something about how much hotter she is than Becca, and I see people share that opinion online, and I'm like really? She has pretty eyes, but her facial features seem very severe to me. Also, your friend just met the family of the guy you went on a couple of dates with (and apparently didn't even hook up with), and at this point you know they're all starting to talk about engagements, etc. Really your feelings are so strong for this guy that if your friend was considering MARRYING him, you would ask her not to because you still have a little crush on him? Okaaay. Becca said something about someone being a wonderful human being, and it sounded like she said "human bean." at this point, I guess I like Jason the best. Garret does absolutely nothing for me visually or personality-wise, and I'm sure Blake will find his way eventually, but right now he seems like a pretty sad sack. I looked up that school shooting...I'm not sure that was really appropriate to bring up as your sob story on a show like this, but it doesn't seem like he has much of a filter for what he maybe should or shouldn't bring up. I'm only watching bc my friends and I are in a pool playing with actual money. My fiance's sister was like, "I read the spoilers so I don't have to watch anymore." I was like OMG you're so lucky/smart.

Wills is my favorite. I hope he goes on Paradise and hooks up with Chelsea!

She looks like Mrs. Puff from Spongebob.

Okay I'm only half watching, but I just looked up to see some woman dropping F bombs in front of small children in her car and bitching about changing brakes? Who is this lady? Where did she come from?? Didn't look like any of the TM kids???

I thought about that too! Just a few episodes ago, we were shown how Tess was inspired to be a social worker by her family’s experience fostering. If deja does something to harm anyone in the family, that doesn’t really line up with what they showed us before.

I noticed this last night too! In the elimination after fantasy suites, he's basically saying, "I've decided I like your vagina the least. Sorry."

YES. I was texting my bf as I was watching and I was like OMG, finally we see an attractive man on the Bachelor! LOL. He doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but for me, he's 10 times more attractive than Arie. Note to producers: more dudes that look like this, less dumpy/girly/sick looking men, please. We haven't seen Arie with his shirt off all season (except for that one time when someone or something was strategically placed in front of him) which leads me to believe he is skinny fat. Of all the muscle-y men we see on the Bachelorette, you'd think they could at least pick someone with a hot body. I'm not being shallow, I swear! If Arie was at least a little more interesting, I'd buy in, but to me...average looking, average interesting, average intelligence, even average at race car driving (Wikipedia lists his top credentials as finishing 2nd, 3rd, and 4th) = meh

The opening scene was shot at a motel at the end of my block, and they shot it maybe a week or two ago. I remember driving by in the morning and seeing the crew set up and a couple of old cars in the lot, thinking, "Oh, looks like some kind of 90's thing." And last night when I started the episode I was like OMG it was my fave show!! Haha. Wish I would have seen the actors, but I think they were still setting up when I drove past. My question is, and maybe I just missed the first part about Kate skipping class, but how did Jack find her at the bus stop? Was it coincidental that he was just driving by, or did the school contact him to say Kate wasn't in class that day and they didn't have an excuse, so he went out looking for her? (I suppose it doesn't really matter, it's not really a critical plot point going forward, I think it was just shown as another way to integrate the car) Also yes, a little unrealistic for the car salesman to cut Jack a deal based off of his sob story. If he can't afford the car beyond normal negotiations, he's probably not going to get the car. Haha. But, I suppose they needed some way to work that speech in there. (Also, yet again, Jack makes a huge financial decision without Rebecca...ugh) Kind of nice to have a break from the big Big 3, just saying. They're lovely, but can be exhausting. All of the younger versions are great. Hurts my heart that Kate wants to (or did) give up Louie :( Remember how at the present day dog rescue she went to, she kept mentioning her baggage about dogs? I almost wonder if she takes his collar off and lets him go, rather than finding him a home, and they find him hit by a car or something. I'm sure I'm overthinking it, but it crossed my mind while watching this episode. That would certainly add another layer to the whole Jack/dog/guilt thing.

They should say “are you or someone you know a good looking cis-gender white person who wants to be on national tv?”

Arie had more chemistry with the old lady bowlers in the ending credits than he does with any of the women left on the show.

Yes!!! This was my takeaway from this episode, haha. When it was over, I texted my bf and said, "Chelsea is my favorite." And you're right -- I think they tricked us into thinking she would be the villain, but that role clearly went to Krystal. Chelsea is hilarious and could get a way cooler dude then Arie.

I was thinking it has something to do with the tape too! Ugh. But if that were the case, then present day Kate would probably have even more issues around singing and performing and not be able to do it, so I'm not sure. Kevin talking to Sophie outside of her house was heartbreaking. That's where the tears started for me. Just shows Sophie sees what the viewers see...no real chemistry anymore, and their relationship is a thing of the past. Probably best for everyone to move on. Still, so sad though. I am not looking forward to next week. I think my parents still have a working crockpot from my childhood. That thing has to be 30+ years old. Random side note...a neighbor moved out several years ago and offered me an older working crockpot. I declined because my kitchen is small and I couldn't see myself really using it. A couple years later, I was thinking I should have just taken it because it was in good vintage condition and I got into cooking a bit more and wished I'd had a crockpot (not enough to buy one though! Haha). Now I'm glad I didn't! Never accept crock pots from neighbors!!

Agree with you and Capurnia99 on this too. If you only watch a season or 2 here and there, it's easier to buy into, but once you start watching every season and see that they're just pulling cast-off nobodies from past seasons to headline the show, you definitely have those, "why am I watching this?" moments. I feel like none of the past 4 or 5 (or even 6 or 7) Bachelors have been much of a catch. I also wish they would cast a little more manly of a man as the lead. Arie and Nick and Ben are all kind of wimpy, albeit seemingly nice guys. Rachel had more balls than any of those dudes! Haha. It always makes me laugh when they say, "If you know someone who would be perfect for the next bachelor or bachelorette, sign up at this website." Like...we don't even know who it's going to be! How would we know if our friend would be perfect for them? LMAO.

That's a good point. Because of course the less people that participate, the less chances the producers have to show embarrassing moments, potential cat fights among the women, and other things that would make for "good TV." If someone sits out, then they have to show the guy comforting that person and talking to them about why they don't want to participate, which is boring and would possibly give more screen time to one woman, which I would assume they don't necessarily want, especially if that person doesn't end up going very far. Wasn't it Juan Pablo's season where Nikki said she didn't want to bungee jump and they strapped her into the harness thing anyway? I was SO glad she didn't end up doing it. Stick to your guns! HELL NO would I ever go bungee jumping, I would suck at this show too!

I totally agree with you. To me, she was super beautiful...until she opened her mouth. Her choice of words were definitely a little cringey at times and she was annoying. I do think longer hair would take some of the focus off of her lack of a neck. Haha. But she is quite pretty. The wrestling lady making fun of her name was totally uncalled for. If that were me, I absolutely would have been like, "No. This is not what I signed up for. I am on a dating show. That was unnecessary, and has nothing to do with my relationship with Arie. I'm not playing this game, and if Arie thinks less of me because of it, that's his problem." Seriously, Arie really isn't worth having that experience, even if it was supposed to be fun/acting/whatever. Arie is about as exciting as a box of rocks, and I do not find him good looking or sexy in any way. I wish they would have added a plot twist where whoever won the round between him and Kenny would be the Bachelor, and that Kenny would have won. Speaking of cringey, Bekah M wins for that one. I 100% agree with whoever said she's essentially auditioning for her own reality show. Love the haircut, but again...I like her until she opens her mouth. Just based off of first impressions, I am surprised that Annaliese turned out to be kind of a wacko. Sad we won't get to learn about more of her childhood traumas, that was the most entertaining part of the entire episode. Lauren S was SO surprising to me! Based only off of first impressions and looks, I thought she would go far. She and Arie actually seemed to have good chemistry too, although you could tell she was a little nervous. They really looked like they would have been a cute couple. I haven't read any spoilers, so as of right now I'm completely stumped as to who the final 2 will be. Has anyone else noticed Arie kind of has his own baby voice when he dumps the women? His voice goes up a few pitches and he starts talking all weird. Chelsea looks like the plastic version of Olivia. She's pretty, but something about her face looks overdone to me. Caroline reminded me of Vanessa from Nick's season when she was talking to the camera and wearing that sweater.

She reminds me of Bindi Irwin, the crocodile hunter's daughter. Becka M reminds me of Max Fuller from Fuller House.

Fair enough, well, the editors certainly aren't doing C&T any favors! Haha. Maybe they should stop being annoyed at B&T and focus their energy on trying to get MTV to give them a better edit! Although I suppose if the money's good enough, who really gives a shit? Haha.