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Also, Isaac was the one who came up with the theory about why things got all borked up as they did during the exorcism, so...consider the source :p?

Not only has my mom worekd retail, but so has everyone else in my family at some point, and we all absolutely LOATHED the Black Friday commercials that would bombard TV as Thanksgiving rolled around. Especially the ones that would announce that the stores would open and the deals woult begin on Thanksgiving itself. Because god forbid anyone wait an entire day to go to a store and start buying their Christmas gifts and let people have a chance to enjoy a day off at home.

I agree. Unless it's an emergency or you need some food, there is no logical reason any store that sells stuff that aren't basic necessities needs to stay open at ridiculous hours on the holidays. Let the retail workers go home and be with their families, they deserve it. My mom used to work retail, and she always got a kick out of it when she'd be working on a holiday and some customer would come in and be like, "I think it's just awful they make you guys work on the holidays." Meanwhile, my mom's just standing there looking at the customer and thinking, "Gosh, if only there was an obvious solution to that problem staring us both in the face here.."

People have also theorized he could've been messing with her by saying that, or he might've taken his own issues around sex and assumed it was the case for the others as well, or things of that sort. There's been all sorts of takes on why he said that back in season one, and I do wonder if the show will call back to that and explain that answer at some point through this storyline with him. The show does like to touch on and address things that the fandom has speculated and theorized about, so...

Yes, we know you don't have to be monied to be part of an elite group. But is it smugness to expect that people know and accept basic facts for what they are? Like I said before, one does not need to be a college-educated intellecutal elitist to know that, say, Hatians aren't out here eating cats and dogs, or transgender people aren't pedos and groomers, or vaccines don't have microchips in them that are monitoring every single thing you do, or climate change is a thing, or so on. I'm not college-educated, and I know all of this. Yes, there are people who are ignorant thorugh lack of proper education, but I think for far too many people nowadays, it's not that they can't learn or don't have the opportunity to learn, it's that they just flat out won't learn or don't want to learn. The former I can sympathize with, the latter, there's no excuse for that. If wanting and expecting people to acknowledge basic facts for what they are makes them "smug" and "elitist" and "arrogant"...I honestly don't know what to say to that other than it's proof that our education system really is a failure.

Yeah, I really liked that detail, too. It's like when they were all freaking out when Hetty tried to drive away when possessing Jay. I love when they highlight just how much of modern society these ghosts have no experience with/have missed out on/aren't used to.

We're having a really interesting conversation on another site about how a lot of Flower's attitude on this issue might be clouded by a) her time in the cult and what kinds of beliefs they had about things relating to sex, and b) the idea that she grew up in a time when men just naturaly always wanted sex while the women were supposed to be "pure". Notice how she was much more sympathetic to Hetty's issues with sex compared to her attituded about Sasappis. Or Isaac, as I noted earlier. There's other theories being bounced around as well, but yeah, something else to possibly chew on a bit. That's one reason I liked the "Pete driving really slow" joke, 'cause it works on two levels - the idea that Pete would be an overly cautious driver, 'cause, well, Pete, and the fact that, were Pete still alive, he'd be an elderly man now, and elderly drivers tend to drive more slowly.

And even then, Hillary specifically said that some Trump supporters were deplorable. Some. Not all. I remember an interview where the interviewer was trying to bait Harris into saying that Trump supporters are stupid and she refused to do it. And yet look at what playing nice got her. For all the complaining people do about how politics is so divisive nowadays, they sure don't seem to mind voting for those who continue to push that division. But seriously, why does somebody like Hillary saying "deplorables" cost her voters, but Trump can call immigrants vermin and other GOP leaders can go on about how transgender people are "pedos and groomers" and Vance can mock "childless cat ladies" and that's okay? Again, why is the left always scolded for their tone and told not to call names when the right can do it and get away with it and get votes and win elections off it? That's the part I will never understand. Aand that's why I'm tired of the "tone" argument.

Kind of wild when Carol's the one with the good, logical advice, huh :p?

Isn't it amazing how there seems to be a lot more turnover in speakers when the GOP is in charge than there are when the Democrats are in charge?

I think that's it, too. And I think she just assumed that he must've had sex at least once when he was alive or something - I think for her, the biggest part of that news that really blew her mind was the idea that he's been a virgin for five hundred years. That's a long time, no matter what one's stance on that topic would be. Also, in the first Christmas episode, Flower was surprised to learn that Isaac hadn't yet kissed Nigel - she flat out said, "Isaac, it's been months! I would've slept with him and his bass player by now!" to him. So there is some history of her being a bit judgy about others' experience with physical intimacy. I loved them getting all emotional over the water heater. Given how much the show's made reference to the water heater over the course of the show's run thus far, I feel like it's slowly building up to something big eventually happening with it once and for all :p. I want this, too. There's centuries' worth of pre-canon history to explore with all these ghosts, so I am all for more flashbacks to what those early years/centuries were like for them when they were all first meeting and getting to know each other and learning to live together and all that stuff. Lots of great story potential there.

One would think he would've learned from all the other leaders before him whose arrogance and desire for revenge turned out to be their downfall... ...but that would require Trump to actually, y'know, be smart enough to learn anything in the first place, so...scratch that. Good lord, this. I think we DESPERATELY need to introduce people to the concept that it is okay to admit you don't know everything about everything. It is okay, when you don't know enough about a particular topic, to just...be quiet and let the people who actually DO know what they're talking about have the floor. We need to value experience and knoweledge and intelligence again. Like I said, I'll tone down my rhetoric when the right gets the same lecture to tone down theirs. I am beyond tired of trying to be nice and polite to bullies who want to strip people of their rights.

Yeah, I will be very interested to see how that affects and changes his dynamic with them going forward. I do like that that gives another layer to his connection with them, and it also helps him get a better idea of just what Sam has to deal with all day as well. But I agree with the general sentiment here - it was very cute and fun to see Jay and the ghosts actually getting to directly interact with each other for once, and I'm glad they all got that opportunity at long last. Still, yes, ,I think the comedy works better with the setup they've got. A large part of what I love about Jay's relationship with the ghosts is how he is willing to go all out for and cares so much about these people he can't even see or hear, it really speaks to how supportive and helpful and loving he is, and I want that aspect of his relationship with them to continue to be a thing. I also think the various piecemeal ways he learns about the ghosts, be it through whatever information he includes in his ghost notes or through being possessed by one of them or through a brief chance to get to see and/or hear them in some form or another, is a creative and unique way for his connection to them to grow. It fits well with his general interest in geeky/nerdy stuff, it's like a fun game of sorts for him, in a way.

The post episdoe interviews have talked a LOT about how much technical work went into filming this episode, and this show requires a lot of technical details and whatnot in general. It's truly impressive the amount of work the crew puts into this show, and I really appreciate that the cast always makes a point of praising them for their role in making this show run..

I like to go through and watch my favorite holiday episodes of my favorite TV shows this time of year :).