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Air date: 2.24.23

Air date: 2.24.23

He's smart and has a dry sense of humor - both make me think that yes he does.

And this is why I can never be fully on Candiace's side. She has been winning this season and she knows it and yet she cannot stop with the very personal, usually age or body related, shaming comments. She is smart, I'll give her that. She finds where the other women's insecurities lie and she goes for them. It's not that the other women don't deserve scorn, for sure they do. It's the need to pile this on when, as I said, she's in the winning position. I think what's interesting is that Robyn and Juan are pretty much a younger version of Karen and Ray. Both marriages are ones of convenience and mostly for the show. Both marriages had a re-marriage (though Karen's was a redoing of vows). I really doubt Karen would still be with Ray if she hadn't been on the show. Wasn't there talk of them splitting up in the early seasons? Karen really is the Juan in her marriage, she's the one stepping out, with Robyn and Ray the ones who seem okay with it. And I have no beef with any of it if that's what they choose. If a marriage of convenience (or a marriage of understanding) is their choice - for financial reasons, the kids, etc. - go for it. Where they lose me, is in trying to make it something else.

At this point I just want Adam and Tucker to team up and take over all the companies - Newman, Jabot, Chancellor-Winters, or Chancellor and Winters? Any mega conglomerates I'm missing? Just take 'em all out. At Newman, fire everyone. At Jabot fire Ashley, Kyle and Summer (does she work at Marchetti?), at Chancellor, fire Devon and have him for sure take Abby with him. Lily? Ah... she can stay on and be the figurehead. And all the fired can be put on a cruise to nowhere, where they can endlessly talk about how horrible and down-right, no-good, Adam and Tucker are.

Agree on both of these. Lala has always been too full of herself and big on performative "I'm bad" behavior. But good lord, the Toms are just so loathsome in their smugness, that I have to kind of root for Lala to make them uncomfortable in some way, no matter how small. The Toms were on WWHL (because of course Andy loves the smug, slacker dudes) and Tom S was waffling on if he still is friends with Randall even after the #metoo stuff has come out. Flat-iron Tom had clearly got the memo that that's a step too far as he could not support waffler-Tom S in persisting with Randall. I know everyone think's Katie's hair is some kind of middle-aged bob, but I love how sleek it looks and think it's a good look for her.

Air date: 02.14.23

Let's make it a sexy, smart woman who will aim right for Adam. I want him to get with someone who will make Sally super jealous. A Diane/Jeremy daughter would fit the bill. And bonus points here as it'd be Kyle's half-sister!

When Andy asked Heather if she held Whitney to a higher standard than Jen and she proudly proclaimed that yes, she holds Whitney to a high standard and Jen to a low one - and that's that. Like that's some kind of great explanation of her hypocrisy in how much she allows Jen to abuse her, while Whitney and she have what seems to be one argument and that's it, she's cut off forever. Again makes me think Jen must, must, must have something she's holding over Meredith and Heather. Andy did ask if Meredith was scared of Jen coming after her, Meredith froze and Whitney was nodding from the other couch. So I'm convinced there's something there. I just can't come up with any other even remotely reasonable explanation otherwise. At the end Andy was trying to pin down on why Heather is still supporting Jen and she said, I'm not going to go all mean girl because people online think I should, or something like that. Then she added "I've gone this far down the road" with Jen and she's not going to quit on her now. Whitney looked kind of gut-punched by that. Like Heather is willing to go to any lengths to preserve some kind of relationship with Jen, but Whitney? She's dead to her. In all the makeups/breakups we've seen over the years on the HWs shows, this rearranging of alliances has been the oddest and most inexplicable I can think of.

Oh yes, I think it might have been. It was something pretty brand new, so it fits.

I really enjoyed this episode. Yes there were the continuity issues because of how they've shuffled the eps, but I liked that there were some funny, light moments and the case wasn't as heavy. I'm wondering if that's why the shuffle? Very curious about these change of orders that are happening and what the thinking is. (saw it with another show recently too, but can't remember which). I loved when Will and Faith had the debate about best breakup songs and then busted out singing "she's gonnnnnnnnneeeeeee". The case was a mess and I too wasn't clear on who, in the end, had actually set Pudge up. I do like the messiness of Will and Angie, and enjoy them both individually and as a couple who genuinely understand one another. But I also thought Will had nice chemistry with the photographer. And in fact the actor has great chemistry with just about everyone, something that really improves a series.

Agreed. At this point I think she's cried more about Camille's firing than Camille did (and Camille did her fair share of crying). Camille showing up at the dinner after being fired? Certainly not something I'd ever do. But I don't have an issue with it as a choice. I liked how calm she was about it and I loved how much it was aggravating Alyssa. Ross has topped what's his name (Gary?), with the man bun/ponytail, on Sailing? for worst of the worst. I'd say he's the worst f*ckboy, but the guy is 38, so way beyond that at this point. Although now I'm thinking on it, I guess worst of the worst has to go to the misogynist (and his crew) who made Kate C and the other women on that cruise so miserable. I guess what this shows is I watch too much of this stuff and too many of the men are terrible.

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Okay - thanks. I figured there was a chance I'd missed it. I do agree that likely Jen did it somewhat accidentally and that Heather was trying to be mysterious for storyline purposes, and thus the "I know who did it" and sounding all ominous, at least initially. Later I think her backtracking and multiple stories about not knowing what happened came about because Jen got to her pretty quickly and told her shut it, not to say it was Jen as it would not look good for her legal situation. All of that feels most likely to me. What feels off is how passively Heather has been in going along with what Jen wants. And not just in the eye situation. In any situation involving Jen, she's backed her, even when Jen has been incredibly ridiculous and over the top. Heather's avoidance of conflict with Jen, when she's willing to conflict with everyone else? Odd.

Heather's still strong defense of Jen and absolute refusal to distance herself puzzles me. She could still be sympathetic to Jen's family, and even a bit for Jen herself, and distance herself. And there have been a few times where she's started to say, yeah, 'Jen's a lying liar who lies', but then she backs away from it. She's hinted it was Jen who caused the black eye and Jen's responses seem to corroborate that, but then she does this 'woe is me' tearful bit about how ashamed she was and she blacked out...and backs away again from any Jen responsibility. I do know that people can be stalwart friends, loyal to the end, (I'm not going to say R or D!). But given how quickly Heather turned on Whitney and how quick she is to turn on anyone else, I don't believe she is this kind of person. As much as she proclaims her "R or D'ness", she's much too craven a person to actually be that. So I wonder what the genuine deal is? Does Jen have something on Heather or her business? There was that brief exchange where they showed Jen's texting, starting to trash Heather's business, so maybe? Maybe Heather isn't as straight and narrow in her business practices as she'd like people to think and Jen knows? She's just weirdly passive in her response to all things Jen - and she's not with anything else that's going on. Separate note: Was that footage we hadn't seen during the season of it being Meredith, Jen and one of the "friends of" who came into Heather's room at 4:50 am? My memory of that, in my admittedly half-hearted watching, was that we saw the knock at Heather's door and the dun, dun, dun, end of episode. The next episode has Heather at breakfast with the black eye. If this is a correct memory then the producers were being really shady in their editing in making it seem possible that it could have been anyone of them at Heather's door and thus anyone of them who caused the eye.

Summer got points for that and then immediately lost them when she just nodded along as Kyle justified entertaining the idea because Adam is the evilest of evil who betrays everyone. I wanted her to follow up by asking for one thing Adam’s done wrong? He’s apparently doing a good job working for Jabot, right? But Kyle is going to help set him up? So who would be hurting Jabot in the process? I get so tired of the writers justifying every bad thing they have the characters do by trashing Adam. Sally sleeps with Nick? It’s okay, Adam’s bad. Billy does anything? It’s okay, Adam’s bad. Victor stomps all over him to favor Nick and Victoria? It’s okay, Adam’s bad.

I'd been kind of thinking maybe Lily with Adam as a weird, how could that possibly be a couple. But now I'm thinking maybe Audra? I'm still up in the air on her as a character, but I think the actress has settled in a little bit and I'd love to see Sally's face if she saw Adam out with Audra.

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Think it was $500K not million. But still. When Ashley was ranting to Tucker about all the evil and chaos Diane has brought back with her to Genoa City since her return, I drew a blank. Yes, she wasn’t forthcoming about what she was doing during the intervening years, but other than that what has she done? Is she trying to get in Jack and Kyle’s good graces? Sure. But she hasn’t done anything evil to do so. And really, most of her progress in this regard is due to how over the top Ashley, Nikki and Phyllis have been. And the only dangerous thing connected to Diane? Stark. And he’s there because of the trio. Of course Diane isn’t an innocent lamb, but any drama connected to her return has mostly been caused by others.

Steffy looked like she should be on a parade float. That’s all I’ve got.

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