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Holy F, it's been fixed since the start of the season! The PAST is in COLOUR, the PRESENT is in near BLACK & WHITE as you can possibly get without using actual black and white film. So far, if Madison is on screen, it is the PAST. That can be used as an indicator to judge what COLOUR looks like. Conversely, Every time that Morgan, John and Althea (Al) are on screen, that is the PRESENT and can be used to indicate what is essentially supposed to be BLACK & WHITE. As others have said, it's really not that hard to follow; at least two others above have given relatively clear explanations. Maybe for some people it just means not having laptops, tablets or other devices and things pulling their focus in five different directions. A little paying full attention can go a long way. There is no logic in the philosophy....... ....because rounding up the dead and unleashing them on the settled communities to prove your belief that said communities aren't safe and will inherently succumb and fall to attacks from the dead is idiotic and insane. Just because they believe everyone is safer roaming the streets of the world along with the dead like packs of feral animals doesn't make them clairvoyant......or right. I knew this was going to be the plan the first time the vulture's showed up outside the stadium and herded all the walkers in the parking lot into the horse trailer before plunking their lawn chairs down. I had thought it was kind of a smart and cool way to try and eventually seize the stadium for themselves, but this plot development is just ridiculous. Ironically, I'm still relatively enjoying it; amazing what the addition of a couple of great actors can do for a show, eh? Speaking of, why are we not allowed to mention it? I think that's kind of BS. It's part of a shared universe that already even contains one shared character, with the potential to have more, should they choose to. If we were a group of friends sitting around talking about it, both shows would naturally come up as a means of comparing and contrasting, and as an online community is essentially the same thing, I think the same rules of logic should apply. For example, I should be able to say that while it's been horribly handled and overly drawn out, I think Negan's Philosophy and The Saviours as a whole are more believable as antagonists than the Vultures are, but I feel that so far, FTWD has handled their storytelling better this year than TWD did last season overall. What is so wrong with that?

Ten minutes in. Looks like john will probably make it. Thank god, the show would be stupid to waste Garret that fast. Alicia realizing Al had her JUST SLIGHTLY outgunned and surrendering was priceless. Al needs to give up this notion that she's a casual observer to all this. There are no documentarians in the ZA. LOVE that they drove off leaving the threetards wasting their ammo on a fully armored tank truck. I fear the day that Morgan's ideals and morality get him killed.

All of this, that last point especially. This franchise has produced many characters that have gone from 'noodled-arm weakling' to 'zombie apocalypse badass' with zero explanation and to a preposterous degree. Alicia isn't one of them. She's not out here fighting people hand to hand, she hasn't learned some special martial arts, she isn't making one head shot after another no matter the distance or visibility. She's a decent enough shot but she mostly sticks to stabbing walkers in the head with a knife once they're in arms reach. She was in good shape before this all went down and she's been fighting since the beginning, not just hiding behind others. Her continued survival isn't surprising to me and is more realistic than plenty of other characters (like her brother who lived about three season too long). I agree as well. They made a point of the characters discussing how Alicia always had to be fairly self sufficient because Madison had to constantly deal with Nick being a junkie fuck up. It's not as if she's being portrayed as a modern day Xena, a Buffy, or any other female badass you can think of. Besides, however long the time jump is, she certainly could have spent some of that time improving her skills. Personally, I can make that mental leap without having to see it all played out in lieu of plot development. Sure, developing character is important, but not at the expense of moving the story along. There needs to be a balance and so far for me, the new showrunners are not doing the worst job of it, though there's always room for improvement.

I wondered how far into the thread I would have to read before I found somebody who felt the same as me. 2 posts, LOL! I don't necessarily want her killed off just yet, but I do hate the way she's being written so far. I really hope something happens to snap her out of this mindset.

In the previous episode, Hannah asked Clay to forgive her.....I think just before the confrontation in front of Bryce's house. I'm not sure if she meant for killing herself or for not being completely honest with him but she said she needed or wanted him to forgive her. Of course, she's not really there and it's all in Clay's head, so I suspect it's all part of his processing all the new information coming out as a result of the trial and coming to terms with Hannah's death so he can eventually accept it and move on.

This......So. Much, This! I wish more people had watched Jericho when it was on and that CBS didn't get greedy, needing every show to get CSI type ratings numbers. Everyone I've introduced that show to has loved it! Lenny was also amazing in and easily the best thing about Low Winter Sun as well. It would be nice if he could stop getting screwed over.

Fuck this Show and fuck Alicia! She used to be the only character who didn`t routinely make me want to pull out my hair but now I want her and all the OC to die. If John is gone, I'm team caravan.

Sound theory, to be honest. I hadn't thought of that. I agree, and she's horribly underutilized here. Also, I loathed Maggie Grace's character Shannon on Lost, but I like her as Althea here, so I'm not if Grace has grown as an actress or if she's been that good all along. I agree as well. I think Shannon was supposed to be loathed, so I think maybe she has been that good all along, lol!

It's only a year at the ball park though; more time has to have passed than that, I think. I mean, for them to catch up with TWD enough for Morgan to leave the mothership after the events of "all out war" and meet up with Madison's merry band of morons, there should be at least a year or two between the dam explosion and day one at the ball park, shouldn't there? I'm not exactly sure how long it's been since Rick woke up, because Gimple gimpled it, but I figure bare minimum TWD was a couple years ahead of FTWD by the time of Fear's debut. There is a significant amount of back story mystery to reveal, obviously, and the pre season announcement of the time jump made the likelihood of a flashback format almost inevitable. I'm ok with that as long as it's done well and doesn't become tedious. So far it's working for me and my hope is that it only lasts till the mid season break, maybe one episode into the second half at most, and then we will be all caught up. The new show runner team of Andrew Chambliss and Ian Goldberg seem to have a decent handle on things so far and I haven't really had much to complain about other than episode two struggled to hold my interest, most likely to being Nick and Madison heavy. Chambliss, in particular, has a pretty solid track record IMO, based on his resume and being involved with some of my favorite shows. I haven't watched many of the shows Goldberg has worked on, and many of them seem to have been short lived, but I'll give him the benefit of doubt and hopefully assume he was thre strongest link in those chains and that is why he continues to work and earned his spot as co-runner.

Yep, all of that, exactly. Just what I've been thinking.

That is what it said; I went back to check the numbers underneath, which said 17-24. My first thought was, that can't be good, suddenly making me suspicious of Althea. I had almost thought Nick was toast when Morgan saved him from the walkers just before they found the guy with the El Camino. I actually thought he had been bit, it was so similar to the way Carl went out on TWD, and I couldn't believe it was happening. Great fake out considering I didn't see the gunshot at the end coming at all. I didn't realize how much I hated Nick until I unexpectedly found myself overjoyed in surprise at this turn of events....I guess that's why I laughed so hard at Morgan schooling him with the staff at the beginning, LOL! I have a sneaking suspicion that Madison is already dead as well; it's weird that no one has mentioned her in the present timeline. It's almost as if they've already grieved and moved on.

In the final shot where they've broken into the air, fly for a bit and then crash, they show you that they crashed in a place surrounded by trees. Also, lush greenery was less than a day's walk by an 11-year-old from their original crash site so really not that far away - just a long way down. Yes, thanks, I did a quick check and see it now. I suppose it can be further explained as the series progresses in that

That would have been a great solution. My thought was, the tanker will have to righted whether they try to save the guy or not, so they are going to lose fuel regardless; by tipping it back over onto the opposite side they could have still saved a good deal more than they did. As for "Dr Smith", when she was with the robot parts she said her name was June something....Miller, I think? As she tried to put him back together, she said something to the affect of "I'm not evil, you are. All the bad things that are going to happen will be because of you, not me." Up till now I had just assumed maybe she was a person who had always made bad life choices, was maybe an addict or something, and had assumed the Dr Smith identity to try and start fresh but was having a hard time shedding her past while maintaining her cover. At the very least I think she's a sociopath but that bit of dialogue makes her sound like more of a psychopath.

This was my big take away; I think I told her to shut up at least twice, lol! Did Anyone else feel like there was an episode missing between #3 & #4? Maybe I missed something but weren't they still surrounded by ice and snow at the end of episode three? Where did all the lush greenery come from? I remember they virtually had no fuel left thanks to the eel creatures, other than what was in the lines, when they broke the ship free...did they have enough to travel that far? That seems as far fetched as anything. I'm enjoying it so far, though.

Oh man, that's what I thought as soon as I saw him! Garret Dillahunt would make a perfect Roland, I don't know why I never thought of it before. I hope to god they cast him if the series gets the green light.

In all honesty, I enjoyed the hell out of every minute of this until the last two or three when the regulars showed up. It was so blatantly obvious that Alicia was a decoy to sucker them in for whoever was going to be with her to jump out and trap them. I think it was ballsy to spend an entire season opening episode introducing the new characters only to have the originals show up at the end appearing to be evil, and I kind of hope they stick with it and have this new group as the protagonists. Even at his worst I've always liked Morgan, because Lenny James, and Garret Dillahunt makes everything better. I also like that Maggie Grace has been given the chance to play against type as the vapid blonde eye candy and already seems more than capable; though I recognized her from somewhere, I missed her name in the credits and had to go to imdb to find out who she was. I was a little shocked; she seemed far more believable than I would've expected. I don't feel like this episode deserves all the hate it's been getting from some of you. Everyone is entitled to there opinion, of course, but I feel like TWD has gotten so bad that it may have coloured people's perception of this episode, somewhat, and that is squarely on the shoulders of the producers and AMC. They never should have aired the finale and the opener, respectively, back to back on the same night. I myself watched them a day apart and it probably made all the difference in the world.

No problem, glad you enjoyed! Yeah, Drew is great, and Tim Olyphant's reactions are brilliant; he kills me!

I was talking more about real life vs scripted Hollywood nonsense. Believe me, I 100% completely agree.

Yes it is, it reminds me a little of Ash vs Evil Dead. Definitely in the same vein as "Ash", but not as much over the top gore.....not that that is probably an issue, this being TWD board and all, LOL! I also highly recommend Santa Clarita Diet on Netflix, if you haven't checked it out.

Oh cool, I was trying to find something like that to post but didn't have any luck.

Well, to be fair, they probably wouldn't shoot the horses because that would be killing a sacred animal or just showing a blatant disregard for all innocent life in nature...... But that's probably giving old Hollywood too much credit, lol!

So did I! Usually, lighting issues don't affect or bother me but, holy shit, that was brutal!!

I hated that too until he stood up to her and called her* out for her bullshit and she said "I like you". I figured it was her way of testing his mettle and he passed with flying colours; it was dumb as fuck, given the situation, but I can appreciate it, in concept. That was about it though, for this episode. I've been far more forgiving than most up to this point, but this was the episode that broke the camel's back. Never before have I so actively, consistently and frequently expressed my incredulous disbelief at a single episode of television....out loud....and I live alone. To put into perspective the magnitude of how utterly horrible and inanely fucking stupid this episode was with regard to how it completely negated the established rules of the universe and any common sense or knowledge gained by its inhabitants.....I used to read message board threads for various shows where people claimed they would FF through parts they didn't care for, and I thought that was the most idiotic thing I'd ever heard; only a complete moron would do that! Well, consider me one of your moronic brethren....The Walking Dead has managed to do what I would have claimed to be the impossible; I almost made it to the end, but when that fat, blubbering nobody in the king size bed started crying about how he was too much of a wuss to kill himself before turning it was more than I could handle. I grabbed the remote and my fat, mere mortal thumb hit that button like there was no tomorrow. It was brief!....but I caved. It just could not be helped, my moral superiority is now a fading memory. I know I'm in the minority, but JDM and his shit eating, scenery chewing Negan portrayal, in all it's cartoonish buffoon glory, is the best thing about this show right now. It's gone on too long and I'll be glad to see him dispatched, however that occurs, but for now it's pretty much the only thing keeping me coming back. Oh, P.S., every single one of you, up to this point, gets a "like".

I can buy that, but why wouldn't Jessica have recognized her voice when they met in the bar? Jessica was a young teenager when the accident happened, so she should remember her mother's voice. Unless the burns and/or surgeries also affected the voice--which I guess it could. I'm confused about the timeline. The homeless former nurse said that there was a boy who could heal, but how long ago did she work for IGH? How does that fit with when Jessica and her family had the accident? If the healer is Jessica's brother, wouldn't he be an adult now? Yes, I would assume the voice could be affected as well. If you haven't gotten there yet, it will all come to make sense.

Ah, that's right! Thanks, I remember now; I thought that was the connection but I couldn't recall the details.