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She still does.. All she did was smush him to forget all her other problems including how she's feeling about him.. Overall I hope she's more centered in the upcoming episodes.. She's been off to the side for a bit now

Oh its basically all Abigail.. She was out front telling everyone to back off.. As they were all scoffing that Raelle didn't get in trouble becuz she's with a bellweather ( prob only half true as maybe they also took it easy cuz they snatched up scylla) still the only time she said she was sorry was in the dorm room where she just explained that she already said sorry and I guess apparently was over it... Couldnt agree more... They both sold it.. Part of me was kinda mad how well they were because I knew that meant a possible redemption and I don't think I want that as scylla has been so smug along the way and helped murder so many... Also we don't see enough of her indoctrination so it feels like she's just happy to be offing ppl to hurt the military more than a rabid true blue believer

This epi was alright... But it felt fast.. Like we powered thru a few things quickly and didn't flesh out a ton of stuff.. Raelle and Abigail seem to be in a good place ( mainly cuz Abigail is making it good) but now Tally can't be round Raelle.. And I wanted Rae and Scylla to have a confrontation not some sappy I lurrve you's when they only been together like what a few months tops??... Nice interplay tween Adil and Ability.. But he was gone so quick.. I thought he may teach her something.. But as she's so military minded he couldn't trust her... That said the other girls did show flashes of specialness.. Raelle with the sleep/healing and Tally with the sight so hoping they give fearless leader something as well... Loved the lil girl smacking Adler down... Is she secretly an elder she talks like a person who's used to being in charge... Based on the epi title I guessed that wall gunk would play a large role.. And I think it took the sickness.. As Raelle said she didn't get it.. Tho what exactly is happening there I dunno...

The only time was when she caught kyle and Liz in the closet cuz she was with her dad.. But since then naw.. And before tonight we saw her in the O.R but as she looks worse and kyle wasn't mourning her Obit I guess she's still alive... Or Kyle did mourn her but we didn't see it.. Can't deal with it so he's blocked it.. and is now being haunted

I think Nate just has a cosmic connection to the totem-bearers.. He's loved 3 of them ( counting Behrad) and if they were spread out over the earth one hadn't find its way into some enterprising Europeans hands and bloodline... Maybe Nate is a descendant even if not a totem-bearer himself...not a fan of any more romances so I hope its just attraction and nothing more.. Plus Constantine is wearing kinda thin for me.. The faces and the Latin the rougish behavior ... Im kinda over it... Ava wasn't horrible and had a connection with Astra but she's still Bleh to me...

WellWellWellWellhat's... If I had just read on paper that ending scene.. With stirring music and touching hands via mirror.. I woulda been in a diabetic coma for all the sweet sweet smalchtzy sapiness... But I'll be damned of Gucci Gustin and Candice Prada didn't bring their "A" games for that scene... Hell the whole epi... From Barry's frantic war room speech to Cecile ( loved them together this epi.. GG is great with parents) to the confrontation with Siri and CP let it loose in the gaslighting scene at star labs.. And definitely in the fight scene and aftermath... The iris in her won out.. She was more and more on the fence even the beginning of the epi when Cecile was with her and read her ( I'm guessing Cecile controls herself with her powers unless somebody is spiking.. Hence Siri asking to be read) until MirrorMilah shut it down.. Then stiffened up for the gaslighting then lost some will when MirrorMilah killed herself and she talked with blood work.. So the writing was on the wall.. For a sec when her face was coming apart I thought she was transforming into someone new who would go out into the world.. But I guess that woulda been to weird. This does leave lots to explore emotionally for West-Allen when Iris returns... I'm guessing the Caitlin plot was because she has to be there for contract reasons

I still think so as well... That piece of info denotes some idea about alien stuff.. And now that it seems obvious we'll be looking into the past again.. There's no way the 1947 crew will just disappear... You don't cast all those folks.. Especially Gaius Charles' character.. Have him fall for an alien lady.. Then just kill him.. With no lasting connection to what's happening in the present.

Some strong beats this epi... Liz and her mom.. Geesh that lady was the worst... Arturo is a man among men... Rosa blew a crater in Isobel's newfound confidence and peace in about 11 seconds... Max was tolerable... Did like his confrontation with the mom... Still not into this Stephanie woman.. Do like the actress.. But the character.. Smarmy standoffish and needy all at the same time... She's obviously sick.. But not sure why I'm to care.. I guess she's supposed to be one of those " pull up your own bootstraps" minority conservatives.. But seeing as she's all quips it feels super shallow... Not totally sure how I feel about the Maria reveal... Read the description for nxt week so I think I'll have a better handle on what it means after that... As it stands did like her Outlook in it... Also loved how she knew exactly what it was while Michael.. ( granted a white presenting alien.. Who's also the town drunk/lay about/ genius and somehow functioning adult who can't pay for beers) was stumped.. But why is kyle.. Ostensibly a POC and a doctor shoulda put 2 and 2 together... But most importantly BECKY TAX!!!!! 100 Points for the writer who put that in there... If I wasn't scared to death of my older sister I'd use it when taking money from her.. But she'd kill me.. Still tho I was dying

Isn't he just tho... Omg every time he was on I was like arrrgh you and ur obnoxious ass daughter need to go

So is Mary to be the MVP every episode?... Good all around.. Was happy to have the show back

Nice... I'll wait it out and see.. 5 books us a pretty extensive show bible so hes def got a plan and freeform is pretty good at sticking with a show ( cept party of 5 reboot) so I'm optimistic some of those questions we've all had and more will be addressed

I'll repeat the Kudos to @Cranberry that knowledge bomb was super interesting tho hasn't totally translated on screen yet.. But if the creator put that much thought maybe these first episodes/ season is just stage setting before exploring the world As for Raelle did I miss something.. She's not supposed to be Native American right.. Or at the least some kind of descendant right... From the surprise I'd just say maybe her ppl were early colonizers.. Cuz you are right her even kinda claiming a " Cherokee" great great etc.. While technically feasible would.. Well not sit well with me..

Saw the breakdown for what it was supposed to be and just said naw... I can't sit thru some weirdo world where white folks are the suffering masses Oppressed under some black folk.. Cuz you know history of earth... Gimme intra-racial... Class warfare... Even gender.. But some parasitic oppression obsession seemed gross to me..

Yeah I'd love to hear how our purtanical euro-centric patriarchy dealt with black and brown lady witches telling folks what to do...

Maybe Ben is the father.. Kid looks more like his than Mate's... Brendan did seem extra angry when its totally in the realm of possibility that xander may not have seen what she saw.. Seeing as to anybody not in the know.. That sounds crazy... But I'm guessing it was to continue to make xander wonder how much he's gonna compromise to keep the secret... I can't stand the Robb character maybe its cuz he feels like he's just here to get in the way.. So temporary or maybe its his face.. Or maybe I'm tired of whites presenting dogooder and the WOC falling for him... Which really sucks cuz I havent really liked Ben since he grew his hair out and hero wanna be mermaid dad Ben certainly isn't It... Ryn had me dying at the Library... Having a child sit in poop does sound crazy... And.. Could they not have found some minority babies up in Vancouver or wherever it is they film... I'm pretty sure the Indian looking lady's baby and the baby of the white lady next to her were twins.. And babies features aren't always developed so just some shade of brown probably works... Such a small concession goes a long way... Well can't say I'm surprised Katrina joined up... Holding out hope its a long con.. But what does Tiara actually think she can do... She's been in the world any real strike would have countries all over the world out in their waters scooping up mermaids...

But, if the trials were in what the 1600's in that part of what would be America if they put the witches to work right away... It'd be to hold off the people who wanted their land back.... I am interested if the show will kinda at least give some more in depth explanation of the history... How did witches deal with slavery.. Wouldn't they have had an effect on the industrial revolution... They all speak something callednthe mother tongue but where is it/they from... If witches existed all over at the same time.. How did they eventually codify.. If they did at all... What were the diffs by region... Lotto world building questions I guess

Going by what the show has said...whoever the Brits told them too... Odds are native Americans who weren't in love with invaders from Europe

Troian especially cuz.. I mean her mom is darker than me and my mom we both got white dads and yet she still came out so very very different than I did.. Wild man genetics is a trip... I wonder if she's ever played a non-white person... Like Jen Beals almost always plays Bi-racial at least recently even tho I guess she could pass

She doesnt seem particularly well liked.. That Indian Lady at that high council at the Hauge seemed ready to push back on everything.. Then you got the Asian Lady who's daughter died.. And Mama Bellweather and I assume other Bellweathers and if known and secret Bellweathers are being targeted.. And she's seeming to be slowplaying this... Coup may be likely... Hope not tho as that's a lot for a 1st season And obvi as you can see from my previous posts I'm right there with you vis a vis Raelle

So I'm not alone then... Like I said upthread they had a moment and I do think the point is to rub off on each other a bit.. Cuz not only is she a less rapey frat boy.. She's also an in the marrow soldier... So worlds collide and all that... Well even on my mothers side of the fam we got white folks.. But they were from all over the country.. Killed the same time and way Charvel( damn auto correct keeps telling me that ain't a word.. Smh) was killed so these boys and girls musta had bellweather fam that didn't fight or married muggles and what not so they were "diluted" and the mark wasn't identifiable necro doctor said they prob didn't even know they were witches That's been driving me up a wall.. Cuz it re-inforces a lot of real world issues for me.. How she's allowed to be this way.. How her wrong doings are continually explained away by circumstances and her punishment has barely reached her and in fact put her squadmates in worse situations... I wanted to choke when Abigail was telling the bodyguard that she thought Raelle was a shitbird who was gonna drag the tempo down.. But really wasnt... Im like... "Hello right this moment she's stolen from you and tally and is putting herself and the squad in danger" so the girl who by most metrics should be the selfish slacker who doesnt need to work hard to get ahead but does.. who's just been beaten to a pulp.. And almost saw her mother killed in front of her... Who saw her cousin split open ear to ear.. and had her entore family targeted... She's gotta risk her standing as a pvt who's supposed to stay on the base to save Raelle?? What type of Mammy/Magical Helper Ne#&@ business is this?... Ugh.. I gotta imagine there aren't a ton of blk and or female writers on the show and that the actors themselves aren't a part of the creative process cuz.. No way I'm the only person looking at all this sideways

True.. Tho not exactly the same.. Raelle snapped at her C.O didn't apologize or get reprimanded and then stole from her mates and put herself in harms way.. Which forced them to put themselves at risk both outside( as the spree are killing bellweathers left and right) and inside ( as pvts who shouldn't be off base lest they get demerits) Whereas Abigail snapped at Tally who rightfully stood up for herself and Ability apologized and thanked her for the concern.. She also thanked both of em during the run when Raelle was being real supportive passing forward the advice the necro doctor gave her... I wonder if the necro doctor will revisit the "suicide" now that she knows Scylla is Spree

Forgot about that as well it turned into a face at the end so maybe someone is in there...

That was a wig snatching moment if I ever seen one... Anacostia got some saint in her.. Cuz old girl would not be up in my grill.. Especially knowing what Ana does about scylla... Not even sure why they don't just say it.. But I guess they don't wanna spill the beans that a spree was on campus... I do wonder if they told mama bellweather... Prob not tho as her and Alder don't ever really see eye to eye... And admitting that they had a spree at her fams wedding close to her daughter... Still tho 18 dead bellweathers.. Wonder what their beef is

That caught me by surprise as well.. I had even started thinking that the necro teacher was shady.. As I didn't believe that scylla was dead either... Even before the previews for next week I thought that forgotten tribe dude and Abigail may interact more after their weird encounter in the hospital ward.. With her being such a gung ho soldier and him apparently not liking what has become of modern war witches.. He may help her thru this grief... I'll be watching to see how that plays out... Hope they come back to the spree trying to wipe out the bellweather line... Seems hardcore.. But the show didn't really sell the urgency other than cool ass bodyguard lady... Raelle is still selfish and because her grief is over the terrorist its annoying... She steals all the flying drug from her "sisters" and still they save her... Week after week she puts her needs first and still isn't called for it.. Hell they got Abigail singing her praises all the time now... Somebody last week said shes got Main Character Itis or something to that effect... And based of of the preview for next week they were righr as looks like she's more powerful and special.. And abigail vomes to her for help... Which I'm sure I won't enjoy... They gotta give tally a bit more to do...

Dunno.. Looked a bit gaunt