Wayward Son

+ Jus in Bello + No Rest for the Wicked -- A Very Supernatural Christmas 64 - Jus in Bello 56 - No Rest for the Wicked 42 - Mystery Spot 29 - A Very Supernatural Christmas 09 - The Kids Are Alright Dragged to Hell by Hellhounds... 16. Malleus Maleficarum 15. Red Sky at Morning 14. Sin City 13. Fresh Blood 12. The Magnificent Seven 11. Bedtime Stories 10. Time is on My Side 09. Long Distance Call 08. Bad Day at Black Rock 07. Ghostfacers

I'm planning to reply to your question tomorrow when I've more time, but when exactly has Dean give food and money to those in need? Outside of the victim of the week that is.

The show makes no reference to Dean doing anything to try and help out Castiel. All we know is that Castiel managed to get himself a job (which was definitely not aided by Dean, considering his demeaning comments about the job he chose) and was sleeping in the stock room. If the show wanted us to believe Dean had helped him then there could have been a reference to it. It could have been as simple as "you need any more cash man?" Or "what happened to the credit card I gave you etc". The show didn't and therefore it makes the most sense to conclude Dean didn't aid him. If we are just going to make up stuff without concrete evidence to try and make Dean look less bad then we might as well just say he gave Cas a huge load of cash and Cas spent it on gambling and alcohol. That theory is equally as supported by what we saw on screen as the belief Dean apparently gave him some money.

I hardly think Goodbye Stranger should be counted against Castiel. He was under the mind control of Naomi. It was a testament to his character (and his feelings for Dean) that he was able to stop at all. I have no problem with fans calling Cas out on the PONR beating, hell I think he was in the wrong there, but counting the GS one against him is grossly unfair IMO. And it's not so much the fact he made Cas leave that I've an issue with, but how he made him leave. I can accept Castiel couldn't stay at the bunker, but Dean threw him to the wolves. He could have given him enough money to get by or one of their stolen credit cards. He could have sent him to live with an ally such as Jody for a while even. Instead he threw him out when he was at his most vulnerable and left him with nothing forcing Cas on to the streets until he ultimately found himself a job. That's the actions of a pretty crap friend and highlights Dean can be just as cold as John or Mary when he feels the need to be. Not to mention the appalling way he treated Cas when they did finally reunite in HCW, but I'll not get into that. And Im sure fans will try to excuse Dean with stuff like "we don't know he didn't give him money" but the show was pretty clear in his depiction of events. Dean told Castiel to leave and the next time we see him he's penniless and living on the streets. There is absolutely no indication Dean gave him money and anything else is just fans trying to justify his terrible actions here.

It depends on the circumstances of course, but I assume you're referring to Point of No Return vs The Prisoner? If that is correct then I'd judge Castiel more harshly in this particular instance. I can understand why Castiel did what he did, but he was utterly wrong to do so nonetheless. Dean I give more leeway as he was being heavily influenced by the MOC at the time. Sorry if those aren't the two instances you're referring to. And as for your other statement agree to disagree.

We will have to disagree to disagree. I see Dean as just as bad as either of them.

I wouldn't say Dean is adopted. After all, he has slapped a kid in the face during an emergency situation (Let it Bleed), he has knowingly left his half brother to rot in Lucifer's cage for years (Appointment in Samarra till present), he has risked considerable damage to the natural order by killing Death himself (Brothers Keeper), he has thrown a close friend on to the street with no money or sources of protection (I'm no Angel) and of course he has been complicit in a gross violation of his younger brother (I think I'm Gonna Like It Here). I'd say Dean is no better or no worse than the rest of the Winchester's and very much like both his parents.

+ Jus in Bello + Dream a Little Dream of Me -- A Very Supernatural Christmas 67 - Jus in Bello 56 - No Rest for the Wicked 43 - Mystery Spot 30 - A Very Supernatural Christmas 11 - The Kids Are Alright 02 - Dream a Little Dream of Me Dragged to Hell by Hellhounds... 16. Malleus Maleficarum 15. Red Sky at Morning 14. Sin City 13. Fresh Blood 12. The Magnificent Seven 11. Bedtime Stories 10. Time is on My Side 09. Long Distance Call 08. Bad Day at Black Rock 07. Ghostfacers

+ Jus in Bello + Dream a Little Dream of Me -- A Very Supernatural Christmas 68 - Jus in Bello 60 - No Rest for the Wicked 41 - Mystery Spot 30 - A Very Supernatural Christmas 11 - The Kids Are Alright 05 - Dream a Little Dream of Me Dragged to Hell by Hellhounds... 16. Malleus Maleficarum 15. Red Sky at Morning 14. Sin City 13. Fresh Blood 12. The Magnificent Seven 11. Bedtime Stories 10. Time is on My Side 09. Long Distance Call 08. Bad Day at Black Rock 07. Ghostfacers

+ Jus in Bello + Dream a Little Dream of Me -- A Very Supernatural Christmas 70 - Jus in Bello 60 - No Rest for the Wicked 40 - Mystery Spot 31 - A Very Supernatural Christmas 13 - The Kids Are Alright 06 - Dream a Little Dream of Me Dragged to Hell by Hellhounds... 16. Malleus Maleficarum 15. Red Sky at Morning 14. Sin City 13. Fresh Blood 12. The Magnificent Seven 11. Bedtime Stories 10. Time is on My Side 09. Long Distance Call 08. Bad Day at Black Rock 07. Ghostfacers

Plus, IIRC Robbie said in an exit interview he brought it back as "a gift to the fans". It was fan service by his own admission.

I totally agree with this! Sam having the amulet the whole time is illogical and total fan service to the fans who are obsessed with the thing -rolls eyes-

And this is the point in the game where things start getting harder for me! There are three episodes I love (Jus in Bello, No Rest and The Kids are Alright) and the other three I like. So at this point I'm voting stuff down because I need to rather than it being an active dislike of episodes. + Dream a Little Dream of Me + Jus in Bello -- A Very Supernatural Christmas 71 - Jus in Bello 62 - No Rest for the Wicked 39 - Mystery Spot 31 - A Very Supernatural Christmas 13 - The Kids Are Alright 07 - Dream a Little Dream of Me Dragged to Hell by Hellhounds... 16. Malleus Maleficarum 15. Red Sky at Morning 14. Sin City 13. Fresh Blood 12. The Magnificent Seven 11. Bedtime Stories 10. Time is on My Side 09. Long Distance Call 08. Bad Day at Black Rock 07. Ghostfacers

+ Dream a Little Dream of Me + Jus in Bello -- Ghostfacers 78 - Jus in Bello 63 - No Rest for the Wicked 36 - Mystery Spot 31 - A Very Supernatural Christmas 13 - The Kids Are Alright 08-Dream a Little Dream of Me Dragged to Hell by Hellhounds... 16. Malleus Maleficarum 15. Red Sky at Morning 14. Sin City 13. Fresh Blood 12. The Magnificent Seven 11. Bedtime Stories 10. Time is on My Side 09. Long Distance Call 08. Bad Day at Black Rock 07. Ghostfacers

It might be a small cast, but that doesn't mean that it's cheap. In fact SN is probably one of the most expensive CW shows in terms of cast. J2 are currently earning $175,000 per episode each. Then there's the (much smaller im sure) salaries of Misha, Mark Pellegrino and Alexander Calvert to consider. While the lead of Arrow (the secondest oldest show on the network) earns 50,000 per episode. Between them, J2 cost roughly the same as seven leads on another show.

+ Dream a Little Dream of Me + Jus in Bello -- Ghostfacers 79 - Jus in Bello 65 - No Rest for the Wicked 35 - Mystery Spot 31 - A Very Supernatural Christmas 13 - The Kids Are Alright 07-Dream a Little Dream of Me 01 - Ghostfacers Dragged to Hell by Hellhounds... 16. Malleus Maleficarum 15. Red Sky at Morning 14. Sin City 13. Fresh Blood 12. The Magnificent Seven 11. Bedtime Stories 10. Time is on My Side 09. Long Distance Call 08. Bad Day at Black Rock

Oh Lord! SPN gossip is pretty far down the rabbit hole indeed. Avoid certain parts of twitter also! LOOLOL indeed xD

Oh God now I'm curious just how far down the rabbit hole you went hahaha

Thanks :) . I doubt the X Files will ever beat the show. If, as many are speculating, Supernatural ended at the 300 episode mark the X Files would need 10 more seasons to catch up. It has 208 episodes and has been doing 6-10 episodes since the revival.

How do you know negotiations for shorter season aren't going well? Did they mention this at a convention? What does N.A stand for? Sorry I'm having a dumb moment.

+ Dream a Little Dream of Me + Jus in Bello -- Ghostfacers 80 - Jus in Bello 67 - No Rest for the Wicked 35 - Mystery Spot 31 - A Very Supernatural Christmas 13 - The Kids Are Alright 08- Dream a Little Dream of Me 03 - Ghostfacers Dragged to Hell by Hellhounds... 16. Malleus Maleficarum 15. Red Sky at Morning 14. Sin City 13. Fresh Blood 12. The Magnificent Seven 11. Bedtime Stories 10. Time is on My Side 09. Long Distance Call 08. Bad Day at Black Rock

I agree! Cas has made it clear on more than one occasion he considers Deans life more important than his! I don't even think it'd work as a prolonged storyline because IMO choosing Dean would be an easy choice for Cas.

This is what I liked about the empty as referenced by Billy. I liked the idea of it making death something to be taken seriously again on the show, as the brothers (and the audience) were living with the knowledge they were on their final life. That the next time they died they'd be placed In a realm there was no coming back from. season 13 spoiler

I'm rewatching Orphan Black and reached the episodes starring Julian Richings! The role isn't as good as Death, but it's always nice to see him on my screen nonetheless!

+ Dream a Little Dream of Me + Jus in Bello -- Ghostfacers 81 - Jus in Bello 68 - No Rest for the Wicked 34 - Mystery Spot 30 - A Very Supernatural Christmas 14 - The Kids Are Alright 09 - Ghostfacers 09- Dream a Little Dream of Me Dragged to Hell by Hellhounds... 16. Malleus Maleficarum 15. Red Sky at Morning 14. Sin City 13. Fresh Blood 12. The Magnificent Seven 11. Bedtime Stories 10. Time is on My Side 09. Long Distance Call 08. Bad Day at Black Rock + Dream a Little Dream of Me