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LOL. Wendy and I both know that that she is not the type of doctor her mother wanted her to be. Her sister is. I bet her mom was only happy after the professorship. $50 candles.....in a pandemic.....when they are literally selling Yankee candles in the clearance section at TJ Maxx for like $10. I should see if someone reviewed her candles.

Precisely. And THIS was the Wendy read that got lost in translation. It wasn't "you ain't shit because you ain't got a man" it was more like "you call yourself a bad bitch and THIS is the man you put up with, THIS is what you're modeling for your daughters." A bad bitch doesn't need a man so bad that she puts up with the likes of a toad like Jamal. Unfortunately Wendy's subsequent statements muddled the point. Calling Eddie a doppelganger for Idris Elba was personally offensive to me and saying that gizelles comment about wanting to get with Idris Elba was some coded message about wanting Eddie was ridiculous. And then constantly bringing up having Eddie's last name or whatever was dumb and totally obfuscated her original point.

No one has to be a member of mensa to be quicker than Ashley Darby and/or Mia. IIRC, deal or no deal hasn't had a recent reboot nor did it spawn a popular celebrity version of the show. Like I said, just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it isn't a popular cultural reference. As for cultural references, here is SNL referencing are you smarter than a 5th grader in a skit 2 weeks ago. Here is "are you smarter than a 5th grader" on the tonight show with Jimmy Fallon

LOL. It ran four seasons on fox in prime time and it appears to have averaged 3 million + viewers. The first season had about 11.5 million viewers. It airs in syndication, so it may actually have found a foothold in other countries. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Are_You_Smarter_than_a_5th_Grader%3F_(American_game_show) And it was popular enough to warrant a reboot on nickelodeon which also did well http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings/2019/06/12/nickelodeons-are-you-smarter-than-a-fifth-grader-makes-the-grade-scores-more-than-one-million-total-viewers-739114/20190612nickelodeon01/ I mean sure, maybe a major network just enjoyed burning money on an unpopular show for four seasons.....or......perhaps....just maybe.....you missed a popular cultural reference. I'm fairly certain the fifth graders were smart enough not to physically attack someone over words, especially when their job was on the line. So I guess monique isn't as smart as a fifth grader either.

LOL. Neither am I. There was a game show called "are you smarter than a fifth grader" which I was referencing. The show and accompanying jokes were/are pretty popular, so it's a little surprising that an adult wouldn't have gotten the reference. Candaces barbs arent particularly immature and they are well placed. Tyra Banks has joked about having a fivehead. Adult comedians do yo momma jokes. And I'm not sure which five year olds you're talking to who are calling people milkmaids. Literally or figuratively.

So Ashley isn't smarter than a fifth grader and isn't quick witted enough to keep up with a five year old. That's pretty on brand for Ashley. If you know a 5 year old asking "were you there beloved?" you may possibly be in a Benjamin Button situation. But your comment reminds me of this rupaul SNL sketch

Gizelle has endless nerve calling anyone broke while she lives in that disaster of a frankenhouse. Candace was accurate when she called gizelles house a $900,000 teardown.

"Were you there beloved" "Take your milk and go" "Ashley fivehead darby" Were all memorable, funny and on the spot. The first two were directly to Ashley and she had nothing to respond to for either. Wide bodied, while mean was memorable and clearly cut deep since Ashley is still whining about it. Ashley hasn't been able to read candace at all this season. I can't think of a memorable comeback she has had. Maybe something about candace looking like a chipmunk, in her confessional? But that's not really a comeback. Even with the wide bodied insult all she could say was "and you said I body shamed?" Which isn't a read at all, Ashley has body shamed and was also body shamed.

Its just occurred to me that Logan may consider himself doubly insulated from any gunfire. He now has Gerri and Shiv. Seems like he put himself in a good position to say that he certainly isn't a misogynist and obviously knew nothing about any of this because....well, look, he put two women in charge. And if they steered the ship wrong in a time of scandal, well, its just because they didn't have his magic touch, he wasn't in charge of anything at the time. So why can't the board just put him back in charge? He was willing to throw Kendall to the wolves and I'm sure he could justify doing the same to Shiv no matter how much he likes, loves or appreciates her. The same way, at the end of the day, Shiv could justify throwing Tom to the wolves if it furthers her ends.

This doesn't confuse me at all. Familial relationships are complicated and as much of diva as Dot is, I think that, deep down she loves Candace. I don't think its so black and white that a person who can be toxic cannot experience or express love. I think their relationship is probably complicated. But when that stuff went down with Monique, Dot was never out of Candace's corner. When it comes down to it, Dot can be shitty, but Dot can also be Candace's biggest advocate and cheerleader. She is ridiculous, but I just don't think its as black and white as all that. And I expect that Karen may have invited Dot on her own, when she and Candace were close, Karen may have become close to Dot as well. I'm not even sure that Candace doesn't like Karen or is pointed about it, I think she has just determined that she will keep Karen at arms length.

I dont think this is a bad idea, but for Tammy, I think that she thinks she is too far gone. Like why would she give up copious amounts of food, which makes her happy just to lose a few pounds? Giving up the food is going to be uncomfortable and annoying and she has SO MUCH WEIGHT to lose. I just think for her the hill is too tall to climb. She wants to be happy and she equates happiness with a man. Its a long road for her to be traditionally attractive in any way. Its just so much easier for her to get with some guy who is a feeder than it is to put in even the work of portion reduction. I wonder where that trainer went off too, because I think Tammy liked the immediate gratification of getting compliments from a relatively handsome man.

Intellectually, I understood Tammy is/will/would kill herself with food, but its really like watching a trainwreck is slow motion. I guess Jerry found another woman to take care of him and now we have Phillip. The baby is happy and chunky and I love to see that. And I'm really happy to see them take a vacation, I suspect neither Amy nor Tammy have done much travelling. Not a fan of new sister and she looks like manufactured drama to me. "I don't play that!" whoa, cool your jets sis, you just got here!

Funky Dineva, poet laureate of our time once said "no one can spray you with your own tea" which, in kiki talk means the same thing as what you said, get out ahead of things, embrace and own the narrative and then you suck all the power out of it. I actually find Shiv the most annoying and irritating. That smug smile and the superficial morals. How quick was she to throw those cruise victims under the bus. Kendall said something to the effect of "I'm who you want to be Shiv" and for as shitty as Kendall is, I think that is true. SHE is supposed to be the edgy one, the progressive one making big moves, effecting change. Instead, she is still playing the game, the same tired game where she follows her dad around hoping to be handed the keys to the kingdom, half smirks when she talks about how awful those women had it and is perfectly willing to let another woman who has been loyal to Logan take the bullets for her because she somehow imagines that Logan values her more. Shiv talks a good game, but its just talk. The only one who has really DONE anything, to me, is Kendall. At the end of the day, Logan could possibly hand it all to Kendall just because he was the only one with the balls to actually TAKE the throne. You saw how quick Logan was to dismiss Roman when Roman took himself out of the running and suggested Gerri. If you're not going to fight for the empire Logan may not feel that you deserve it. He barely cares a blip, but there seems to be something like the remnants of a conscience under Kendall's cringey bro personality.

I disagree here as well. Candace is almost too quick for her own good and comparatively Ashley is just much slower and is kinda dull. Candace down Ashley with such a quickness that its the verbal equivalent of a Mortal Kombat fatality. And then Ashley has nothing else to say and so people pity her because she likes to whine about being a victim when she is the one who starts the fights. It kinda reminds me of softball back in the day when you had one team that was so much better than the other that they stopped the game when the other team was like 10 runs ahead and it was sad to watch because it was such a blowout. Ashley gets pitied because she is slow and weak and Candace is much quicker and sharper. I don't blame Candace for being annoyed when Ashley constantly pokes and prods at her, and it was good to see her, in advance just say that she wasn't going to give Ashley any time or attention and then to see her get up and leave after making her statement about white privilege instead of getting into it with Michael. Which would have inevitably brought Ashley back so she could try to catch some attention.

Juan may want to have a buffer for Michael at his "bachelor party" Gizelle looked beautiful, but she was so secretive with the producer and gave so many more details at the table that I think she may have been lying. Either about seeing a man period or who he was. Being judgmental is a double edged sword, because people are going to judge you doubly hard. So, even if Gizelle liked some normal dude who make like 50k a year driving trucks I don't know if she could ever admit to it because you'd have everyone else coming for her.

This cannot be pointed out enough. No one is ever supposed to say anything to Ashley ever because, motherhood, but if I tried to squash myself into some Forever 21 dresses I wore back in the day I'd look awful too. Is Michael even rich, why isn't she working with a personal shopper? Hell, get on StitchFix and have someone help you out. Michael is having a "personal trainer" in his home gym five days a week and he afford to give you a membership to stitch fix? I wonder if Ashley is trying to set the stage to work with some sort of flat tummy tea or diet app or workout app, and this season is the before. If so, good for her, I'm embarrassed for her in those dresses, not because she is fat per se, but because those clothes do not fit her. I cannot believe she wants a third child with that man goblin, who, is very in love with Juan Dixon. I thought it was kinda nice that Candace was like "I have my issues with Ashley but even I think Michael isn't good enough for her" W/R/T Michael and Chris and white privilege. I could see the argument, Michael was telling Chris to come over and control his black wife, which IMO, isn't a great look. And then to innocently be like "who...me? what did I do wrong?" If there is something that you feel Candace needs to stop immediately, either respectfully address it with her or explain it to Chris a little better than "you need to get your wife under control" Just because Michael considers Ashley property doesn't mean that Chris does. I think Michael could have asked any number of people why that might not have come off great and they would have given him an honest answer.

It's very reminiscent of Phaedra dragging Kenya for "not having a man" or "not being able to get a man" when Phaedra had a man who had a loose grasp of the english language and a felony record. Is that really a win sis? I think that pressure is why Kenya got into a number of just awful relationships (I was only around for that guy she was dating with the crazy eyes). I think what got lost in translation with Wendy was that what she was saying is that Gizelle has such low self-esteem and a low sense of self worth that she settled for a toad of a man who has never respected her and very likely had her children involved in something scammy with that restaurant that was "in their name" THAT is a read I can agree with. Its okay to be alone, its okay to be in a relationship, but its not okay to think that you deserve some shitbird like Jamal.

This is exactly how I perceived Juan's reaction too. From the very beginning, Juan barely wanted to be on camera and so I doubt that Robyn told him either conversation was going to happen on camera. I think they SHOULD have the discussion. With the marriage counselor....off camera. I'm not one to agree with Gizelle, but to me, this isn't the time for Robyn to insist that she have a conversation on camera. She needs to do like Gizelle does and find other drama to get into.

Disagree. Chris doesn't save candace from Ashley. Chris saves candace from herself. While Ashley picks fights, it's easy to see her as a rootable underdog because she is so much slower than candace. Ashley clutches her pearls, whines about what a meanie candace is and fails to acknowledge that she started the fight in the first place. If Ashley was a better match for candace I think the situation would be different. I think maybe Ashley and Mia beefing would be fun, water finding its own level and all.

Juan came from having nothing. Even after he thought he "made it" and could be on cruise control, his friend pulled the rug out from under him and stole his money and he was broke again but with two children. If I put myself in Juan's shoes, I could see how it could seem like a good idea to entertain a millionaire who has a not so secret crush on you. If he had to choose, I think Michael would willingly give money to Juan to keep their connection over giving it to Ashley. Michael would be shopping in the produce section. For a slightly browned banana named Juan.

I'm fine with both seasons of wendy, but would agree that I liked her more last season. I think she took the feedback that she is boring with a weird body to heart. Instead of considering that no housewife is ever universally liked and that people talk a lot of shit. I think that coming from academia, she is used to getting feedback from a professor, working on that feedback and getting an A. With four degrees, I'd imagine a lot of her life is responding to critical feedback and improving in a discreet area. But its not that easy, direct or clean with HW. I don't agree with a lot of the criticism leveled at her this season, but I think some of her early reads were very, very practiced. I cringed at "TICK TOCK MIA!" because it sounded like something she thought she would put on a tee-shirt. I'm also kind of annoyed that she made candles part of her storyline but the storyline was that she hadn't done any work and didn't know what she was doing. Or that she never even made a candle. She has four degrees, I don't believe that she is stupid and I dont' think she should have allowed for a storyline where she ends up looking this stupid and unprepared.

I hope that she is starting to see this. Particularly with Ashley, who doesn't have anything else going on in life. She pokes at Candace and when Candace responds Ashley immediately proclaims herself a wronged victim. While I did not agree with Chris pulling Candiace away from the dinner table with Ashley, I had a feeling that he, in his heart, thought he was protecting her because Ashley has nothing to lose and Candace is an easy way for her to be a sympathetic victim because Candace is so much smarter and quicker than Ashley. Hell, even mentally unstable Katie got a few over on Ashley. This is the real danger of having someone like Gizelle in your ear, as Robyn does. She has, like gizelle, learned that whatever shit a man does, its somehow a woman's fault. All she needs to do is change herself and he will be better. If the man stays shitty, its because the woman hasn't worked hard enough or done enough work.

The entire family is so ruthless that I assume Shiv would claim she knew nothing and divorce Tom without a second thought. I think Tom knows it too. She would fight for him, but at the end of the day, she would find a justification for hanging him out to dry. So, did they focus so much security on Kendall that they failed to watch his guy go and buy a bunch of speakers and set them up in the meeting area? I honestly think thats as much emotion as I've ever seen from Shiv. Is Sophie Odewayo (sp) a real person? She seemed like someone doing a poor mans impression of John Oliver or Jon Stewart back in the day. Also, why didn't Kendall just buy Greg the stupid watch? Rich people save pennies and lose dollars sometimes. He could have bought Greg's undying loyalty for 40k, he has millions and millions.

Some might say...eternal sleep.

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