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They're all so uncomfortably young to be talking about marrying someone they just met six weeks ago with whom they're not in a monogamous relationship.

I can't wait for this season to be over just so I can stop hearing them butcher his name. Colton does NOT have a silent "t" nor a short "u" in it.

Fuck Liam's mom. Sociopathy definitely runs in that family.

This ^^

Because Cole-TIN has a "type." And I don't just mean looks.

Would make sense. But what was she doing while he took off his clothes so he could stab her?

WORD. The side eyes they were giving each other today...I don't think Joy's seat change was just due to her filling in for Whoopie as host. Seems that we may be headed for another split screen.

If I can get serious for a minute. Honestly I think it's the show's "man in the mirror" moment. When we (and the contestants) are faced with the ugly physically brutal reality of the emotional and psychological fight these women are going through in this competition. Willingly, but still ugly. When we can't see it, we can ignore it, but not when we can. It makes us uncomfortable, but really no less than we probably should already be watching this bloodsport (of sorts). And I think the producers just like having that one moment of "look at yourself" in all the fluff. And then back to the woe is me bachelor, sniping runners ups and never was's, forced-fun group dates, fake love declarations and PTV snark. And I'm here for all of it!

View watcher, long time lurker and appreciator of the hilarious nicknames you come up with in this forum. I think what Sunny may have been objecting to in the EW story is not just that she claimed it verbally, or even that she put it on her bar card, but that she held herself out as Cherokee during most of her professional life. She was known as "the American Indian professor" at Penn. But she is erudite enough to know that being deemed a member of the Cherokee Nation is a conference by elected tribal leaders, not a claim based on family lore. And with it comes a a lot of tragic history as well as a community responsibility. For many Natives, such a claim without the attendant heritage is insulting and insensitive at best, and exploitive at worst. At least this is what Sunny should have said if ever she could make a cohesive argument not involving the law. *Sigh* I am a black woman in my mid-40s not registered to either party because neither truly reflects my personal mix of social liberalism, fiscal conservatism and global participation. I vote for whomever skews as closely to that mix as possible. When MM first came on the show, I really liked that she is a Republican who is pro-LGBTQ and anti-Trump. I thought she did a good job of articulating her views and at least trying to explain Trump supporters. And she seemed fun. But oh when she got married and Daddy McCain died...this new shrill, angry MM is so hard to watch. She can't get her thoughts together. She's rarely prepared. She's argumentative. She can't abide opposing opinions. She always looks so unhappy. She really does need to take a break. And a therapist. And a joint.

Dammit Col-TUN! Suck it the F up. You were ON this show. You KNOW how it works. Some people are here just for fame. DEAL!

Well color me surprised. Colton told Demi the truth. I'm not supposed to be laughing at her fake cry/tiny backpack exit am I?

I don't know why he gave Kirpa that rose. As soon as she said she was in an 8-year relationship, Col-TUN did the slooooow blink of death. Buh-bye.

Or gonorrhea

Kirpa should get sent home for that weak, half-ass arm jump alone.

Awww...thanks @JenE4! ☺ Do I get a rose now or...

Suuuuuper long time Bachelor watcher and suuuuuuper long time lurker. Always mean to post but too slow on the uptake. Plus you guys are way wittier than me (see what I did there contestants?). I know Demi's "share" is her Prison Mom, but she's gotta know that immediately made her not-marriage-material. Right? I really wish they could all see each other's one-on-ones so they can go ahead and figure out that he wants a pageant blonde wife. Tayshia is a very interesting exotica for him I think. But I don't think he'll be able to (or want to) fight through his innate preference.

I don't know about this. I think Tiffany likes being the only one with the husband and the baby so she can lord it over them. She always needs a "how I'm better than you." Mind you I don't think this is actively malicious. They all seem to know and accept this about Tiffany.

We all assume that Debra was great in business because she was very wealthy and had been in business a long time. But the lack of information on any of her past marriages coupled with her appalling lack of her refusal to acknowledge the actual facts she and her daughter's PI discovered lead me to believe there is no way she built and sustained a successful business on her own. I am convinced one of her wealthy ex-husbands bought her that business and left her with all that money. Or maybe a combination of wealthy ex-husbands and society contacts who keep using her business because "they" all do. What I'm saying is, the decisions and acumen one displays as a successful business owner are not completely divorced from decisions and acumen about love. The same instincts that make one good at business still exist in the same brain. It is a willful override to ignore and abandon them because "this is love" and "it's different!" So here, either Debra consistently and willfully pushed away her good instincts in the face of objectively strong evidence of Dirty John's true nature (his record, his lying about his profession, his drug use, his nastiness and threats to her family), or she doesn't really have those instincts to begin with. Her track record with men indicates she doesn't. And we don't have enough information about her real track record in business to determine if she has them there either. We just know she's rich with a long-running business. Which, in the So Cal society circles she moves in could truly mean that "success" was bought and paid for by someone else.

DG is of course immensely deserving. Of that AND several writing awards. But BTH is a treasure who is being totally overlooked by awards nominators who can't see past the "one per show" limit for black casts. That clip you posted @xaxat of BTH's interview with GQ had me laughing, disturbed, tearing up and wanting more at the same dayum time.

I just skinned my shin on my bed corner trying to grab the remote when I heard this ad starting. The sound of the gecko slurping hot wing sauce off his "fingers" is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard. https://www.ispot.tv/ad/dSU1/geico-motorcyle-spicy-wings

Mainstream Emmy voters are NOT ready for Atlanta. I hope Donald, Stephen, Hiro and none of the other geniuses associated with this show know that a lack of Emmys is no reflection on their craft. They are on another level.

Quit playing @kariyaki. I would actually buy those!

Seriously. Just do the job. Andalsobut...flowers and a bow screenprinted on disposable underwear make them "pretty"? I'm FORTY-five not five.

I guess my love life must be a little too much like Molly's because I get her and I feel for her. The Sterling K. Brown guy was the Good on Paper Ready to Get Married Dude. For him, Molly checked off a bunch of "perfect black woman" boxes, all of which had to do with looks and accomplishments, none of which had to do with who she really is. Fat coworker guy was the I Can't Believe This Fine Chick Wants Me Dude, for whom Molly was a unicorn to be captured. But Dro, in theory, is the perfect man. He knows her, like really knows her. They have great chemistry. They have amazing sex. He's smart and funny and (I assume) successfully employed. His "only" problem is he's married. When you've been dating unsuccessfully for over a decade, that shit gets old. And sometimes you hang on to a relationship you know won't work because it's just so painfully close to everything you really want. I'm proud of her for realizing it's not enough with Dro and doing something about it. That couldn't have been easy.

Ghost and Tasha butt heads on how to grieve. Angela pursues the Jimenez Cartel while Kanan goes after Dre's organization. Tommy confides in LaKeisha about his relationship with Teresi, complicating everyone's lives.