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Dean Cameron---the party dude in the hat and fake hair---was in many 80s party flicks, including 'ski school' and 'ski school 2'. He did indeed used to sport that look, but back then the hair was real. I feel I should be more disturbed by Charlie's graphic sex scenes, but I weirdly was not. Wonder what the waitress thought of that.

It's not usually looked kindky upon, but it's not against the rules of all universities to date students. It happens literally all the time. I think it's a lot more unethical, inappropriate and stupid to fuck your married boss and supply him with hookers. Tho not illegal. Well, the prostitute part is. Yeah, when this all blows up in delia's face, she'll probably use it all as leverage to not get fired. Or to get HIM fired and take his job. Jo was in the season finale of 'American horror story' last nite. She got brutally murdered by cheyanne Jackson, which I'm guessing some of you would enjoy seeing. Jo sometimes bugs, but I do like the actress.

I don't know how anyone is supposed to be rooting for Delia's gross affair with her gross married boss and their gross hooker sex. Pretty sure we're supposed to think its---gross.

Flawed I like. Human I like. Fucked up, even, o like. I am all of the above. But douchebags and asshole, not so much. Delia, her fiancé, and her boss all seem to qualify right now.

I have never especially liked Delia but now she's pretty loathsome. When her ugly bald boss (who looks like the dean on 'community' to me. This is the guy she can't keep her vagina--excuse me, front hole--off of?) had his office visit from his seemingly perfectly lovely wife, I thought the look on her face denoted some awareness, some guilt, some realization. But nope, it apparently just spurred on her bitchy, competitive, jealous edge. She's gross. The anti feminist feminists in phoebes class were such stupid stereotypes that it was offensive, and Camille paglia? 'Skip the rapey parts'? Ugh. So much ugh. Phoebe is so gonna fuck her teacher. Boring. Tho he IS beautiful. Just when I find redeeming things about this show again, they go and have an episode like this. I kind of hate all these women.

aw, i'm so glad to see someone here still talking about our show. I hope it continues in perpetuity as well. And what a lovely post. I'm like you...I found the ending tragic but perfect. I thought I was okay with it being the end, but I am not sure I've ever been so haunted by a show, or a finale. I've loved lots of tv and film, and been ridiculously passionate about a select few.. .but none has ever refused to let go of me before. It's only been two weeks, so maybe that's it. .But I suspect it's because I'm really not ready for it to be the end, no matter how perfect, and no matter how what future episodes/adventures/films might lead us to and no matter that I might not like where they go. I cried like a baby thru the finale, especially that final scene. I finally watched 'The Hunt' this past weekend. I'm obsessively working my way thru Mads' filmography, but I had avoided this one. A few years ago, a friend was accused and stood trial for a terrible thing that she was innocent of...and acquitted, thankfully. but since, I've found it nearly impossible to watch or read anything dealing with someone being falsely accused of a crime. but: obsessed, so I watched. It's a devastating film, and Mads is freaking brilliant (of course). Seeing him vulnerable, sweet, even shy, rumply....so anti-Hannibal---he's so so so good. And so so so pretty.

Mads has the most amazing face, and he uses it expertly. His eyes have an inherent cognac-colored warmth, but they can go shark-black-dead in a second. And his mouth is tender and vulnerable but cruel. He's an actor, sure, so it's his job, but it's fascinating to me how he can play brutality and sweetness and vulnerability and violence with equal measure and authenticity, sometimes in the same scene. I haven't seen all of his films and have lots of catching up to do, but did watch part of 'Charlie countryman' on youtube...it's not a good movie; in fact, it's pretty terrible, but he's stunning....literally...evan Rachel woods' character calls him the most beautiful man she's ever seen, and he's lit all goldenly and dreamily, his hair longish and shaggy...and he really is. and then he goes full on murdering crime boss psycho. and he's still beautiful.

in the real world, this wouldn't be love. it'd be gross and stupid and masochistic and abusive. I can see why it'd be gross to someone who didn't see the chemistry or heat between the actors too. I'd NEVER romanticize anything even close to abusive in real life. It might be a dangerous thing that we can do that for art, tho, I don't know. I can draw a clear line in the sand, a real delineation between what I can find sexy in art and what I'd even come close to standing for in reality, but some people clearly can't, which is why there's so much abuse in the world. But this show and all its dreamy, brutal, beautiful, poetic death and murder and evil are a fantasy with hot boys, so it's easy for me to just view it thru that lens Fuller and Mads and Hugh have all used the word love to describe the relationship between Hannibal and Will. I'm sure they'd agree it's a sick love, and not what most of us would really call love in any real sense.

hee. Your feelings about Hannibal are really subtle, but I think I figured out that you hated him. look, even shippers don't LIKE him .he's a crazy scary monster under the bed. Problem is, he looks like Mads Mikkelson, so lots of us want him IN that bed. And no matter what turns the relationship with he and Will took ,there could never be anything but a tragic ending, mostly for Will, who would either wind up in prison, or an alcoholic in Florida, or dead. It's a sick, twisted, horrible love. Mostly, I just want to see Mads and Hugh make out, tho, really.

you know--and I blame GreyBunny for sending me down the slashy fanfic rabbit hole, tho I can only blame myself for spending so much time there---the more I think about it, and I do, an embarrassing lot---i'm really grieved that we were robbed of at least ONE mads/Hannibal/hugh/will kiss. just one. I wasn't sure just HOW I did feel about the notion of it, at first, as, tho the romance/flirtation has been ongoing, the relationship literally going romantic still seemed more fanfic and not something the show, not even Fuller, would do. but I really do think a kiss, as Will accepts himself and his feelings for Hannibal but also KNOWS he's about to end both of them---I think a kiss would have been organic at that point, and not just 'shipper pandering. I think the instincts of Mads and Hugh to (almost) go there while filming it were intuitive and right, and I"m really sorry we didn't get to see it. I wonder if Fuller was just saving it, thinking they'd get another season ,and if ,had he been sure this was, for now, he would have allowed it. Insisted on it, even. I also really truly wonder where he intended to go in terms of the romance had we been given a next season. Did he plan to really go for it ,or keep it gauzy and subtextual and teasing? I'd think it would need to go slow, in terms of any real physicality. Will coming to terms with the idea of it--as I can't see that he was ever very comfortable with intimacy and sex, let alone with perhaps discovering that his sexuality is more fluid than he'd ever supposed before--I think it would have to handled delicately and with caution and time. I would love to have watched the seduction. Hugh and Mads have both played some really erotic gay scenes in films....I think it's a freaking shame that we never got to really see them going for it together. I need to find a new, wholesomer hobby, probably.

my honey never watched the show with me, tho he knows how much it means to me...I read him some of the tumblr jokes too and it's just his kind of humor...we were crying. whoever is behind it is hilarious.

I know it's canon and probably the thesis of the whole series, but I never actually bought that Will would ever really succumb to the darkness. at least, not the darkness of murder. His empathy clearly tortured him, even while it made him a genius at his career, and I could see him turning the darkness against himself, in a multitude of ways. But I never really believed he'd ever ENJOY or embrace killing. The Red Dragon doesn't count, not even his finding beauty in it, because that was clearly self defense. I don't see--nor do I want to--a Will who actually embraces murdering innocents. I see his darkness finding solace and understanding with Hannibal's. I see him being seduced by Hannibal. I can even see him letting himself live with Hannibal's monster if he doesn't have to actively participate, just in order to BE with him, and to be himself. But really BECOMING a monster himself, even for love, of whatever nature his and Hannibal's is? I can't see it. I don't want to see it. The inherent goodness in Will is stronger, I hope, even if he allows himself to acknowledge his own potential for evil, and even if he can love Hannibal despite his monstrousness. Which is why pitching themselves off the cliff was a perfect ending. I've just spent 20 minutes laughing myself sick over the 'Hannibal tells bad jokes' series on lecterings tumblr account. it's brilliant, hilarious, and helps take the sting out of my prolonged mourning for the loss of this show. http://lecterings.tumblr.com/tagged/lamejokeseries

well, that just made me go seek out dancing mads video. sigh. dreamy.

I kind of get that, even tho he's so preposterously attractive to me that it's...well, preposterous. But I didn't really get him at first. I immediately saw he was a compelling actor, but I found his appearance kind of reptilian, alien. But then...what's that line?....'I fell in love the way you fall asleep. slowly at first, then all at once' (shit, I think I just quoted some YA romance novel. anyway.)....that's how it hit me. A few episodes in, I realized I found him crazy-beautiful, and crazy-seductive. But not finding him that would sure explain not feeling compelled to go read slashy fanfic like I just did for an hour this afternoon. Man, there's a lot of it out there, and some of it is really bad, and some of it is really GOOD. sexy, literate, thoughtful. dammit. Mostly it just made me feel really sad that there's no show tonite. or ever. I just have to suspend reality and disbelief while watching....of course Hannibal is a monster and Will is an abused enabler and it's all creepy and sick and in real life I'd think they were all freaks and have no sympathy for any of them. I can't even tolerate that in a lot of art. But this show, these writers and these actors sold it all to me. Hard. Captanne holy cats. he's gorgeous.

ha...I love that. also funny: my best friend's name is bunny. You know, when I read Hannibal, I so hated where the relationship with Clarice and Hannibal went that I threw the book forcibly across the room. I was appalled and grossed out and outraged that Harris did that to Clarice, our heroine. HATED. Loathed. (again, cuz I'm shallow, possibly partly because the mental image of Jodie Foster and Anthony Hopkins--despite their unusual chemistry in SOTL--as lovers is not appealing. I hated her becoming a cannibalistic accomplice, no matter how brainwashed or drugged she might have been. It felt like a betrayal of all that had come before, all that she had been. So I get why non-shippers would be appalled by the romance, for lack of a better term, and I think it's an accurate one, sexual or not, by where Fuller took Will and Hannibal. I get it. But---I also love it. Despite not wanting Will to become inhuman and monstrous, and I don't---in no way would I actually want to watch the story of Will and Hannibal, cannibal murder husbands on the run (who am I kidding? I'd watch it, even if I hated it), I still find such poetic romance to their story. It's not only the beauty of our leading men, tho that's surely at least half of it, probably more. There's just such a ludicrous, epic tragedy to it all. It speaks to me.

I have a long standing, probably unfair prejudice against fanfic, even well written fanfic...cuz it seems squicky, weird and obsessive. I managed to go deep into Mulder/Scully, Veronica/Logan and Boyd/Raylan fandoms without resorting to reading it. But I'm not even on the ledge anymore, I've fallen off the cliff, so...sure, a link or two to really good stuff couldn't hurt, right?* *sounds like an addict Fun fact that nobody will appreciate but me, but I can't tell you how much it delights me: Mads Mikkelson and I share not only the same initials, but the same birthday. I'm quite sure that means something.

I'm sure Harris DIDN'T ever want or expect us to fall for Hannibal. but Harris' Hannibal and Bryan Fuller's Hannibal are, at this point, two entirely different constructs. You either like Fuller's iteration or you don't but I'm not sure they can even be compared anymore. I don't romanticize abusers and killers and thugs and monsters in real life, but often, in art, I do. And when they come in the form of Mads Mikkelson, it's really easy to. I'm shallow. Had this version of Hannibal looked like Brian Cox or Anthony Hopkins or someone not sensual or physically compelling in some way, I'm pretty sure there would be no 'Hannigram' devotees, at least not as there are now. As it is, MM and HD created such a darkly romantic twosome that I can't get them or that final plunge outa my head. I'm haunted by them. I'm about two steps away from seeking out slashy fanfic. Somebody needs to talk me off the ledge. It's sick.

ugh. having posting/iPhone issues. sorry for empty post above. anyway: Hannibal is a romantic figure because he’s fictional. If he were a real live breathing human cannibal, no matter how telegenically cheekboned, only the kinds of crazy girls who fall for convicted death row inmates would romanticize him. But he’s not. He’s literary and cinematic, a construct of imagination and poetry and death and magical realism. He’s Heathcliff, he’s Rhett butler. I romanticize him for all the reasons Mr Glass mentioned above: he’s literate, beautiful, deferential, poetic, and played by the maddeningly seductive MM. It’s the same reason I romanticize my other favorite tv fictional anti hero: justified’s boyd crowder. While one is a kentucky redneck and the other a European aesthete, they are both hyper articulate, brilliant, sartorially intriguing and ridiculously charismatic. And both are criminals and murderers. Despite boyd’s being a killer, and despite being far more interested in his relationship with his rival/soulmate raylan (Walton goggins and timothy olyphant flirted with one another fully as much as hugh and mads ever did, with just as much sparkly chemistry) , I wanted him to have the happy ending he envisioned with his truelove, ava. He didn’t get it. What he got was inevitable and in many ways tragic, tho he didn’t wind up off a cliff. I don’t know that I wanted a happy ending for Hannibal…while boyd’s thugdom was largely situational, and he showed actual repentance from time time, Hannibal is an embodiment of true, random evil. He’s terrifying. But I was so happy for him in those brief moments when he held will in his arms. And I was so happy for will, nestled safely in hannibal’s bloody, strong, cashmered embrace. It might have been the truest happiness he ever got to feel. And then…he made the ultimate sacrifice and plunged them both off the cliff. I want will to be happy, so I was happy he got that, before he threw them both over. And as much as I would love more seasons and mourn this show like a death, I don’t want to see will as a full-on killer, let alone a gourmet cannibal. And while boyd and ava’s plan for their future was to NOT embrace crime anymore, that wouldn’t be an option for these two. Hannibal was never going to promise to not be who he was, and would in fact only encourage will to become his accomplice, his equal: a cold blooded killer. While they might have found the truest love with one another either had ever known, there was never going to be any happiness there. So that’s why this ending was so…perfect, for me. Much as I would love to see more, the alternatives—life on the run, anguish, prison, killing sprees---are far, far more horrible to contemplate than winding up plunging to their deaths on the rocks below while entwined together. or, if i'm not trying to be pretentious and prosaic, really we romanticize Hannibal and will cuz they're insanely hot. this show. it's been five days and i'm still in a hazy, dreamy, sad, daze ever since. I can't shake it. i'm so so sad it's over.

Ugh. That sex in the city episode nearly scarred me for life years ago, and of course that was the first thing I thought of. I love my two besties more than almost anything, but there is not one single way in hell I'm goin'' in and helping dislodge something from their bajingo. Plus, for cripes sake, the vagina is not an infinite portal. Just reach up there and get the damn thing yourself. This show enrages me on several levels---women over 40 are evidently technology-illiterate, culturally ignorant and emotionally stunted. And hairy. And tho sutton foster is lanky and lovely, no way in hell could she pass for 26, in any light. Still, it's often charming, often funny and usually entertaining. I keep watching anyway.

Yeah, I think it was clear Russ had partaken of the coke too. And while he didn't have sex with the hookers, I'm not sure he wouldn't have if his daughter hadn't called. As it was, he took off his pants, fondled one of the hookers' fairly naked asses and had one straddling him in the pool. Creepy. Add to that his constant harrassing of his wife for sex , neglecting the dog, apparent habit of borrowing money, and overall whininess, and he's just so unappealing. And I LIKE Nat Faxon. I loved 'ben and kate'. I love the movies he's co-written. But this character is so gross that all I can focus on are his bad teeth, which normally don't bother me. Everyone on this show is unappealing, which is weird cuz I actually really normally like the cast. I love jenny slate but I'm already really tired of her character's constant sniping about her 'grandpa husband'. I do want to see Paul Reiser as her husband but don't know if I can hold out til he shows up..

. Oh, absolutely...travis birkenstock! I loved him. I don't know what to think about this episode. All her protestations that their connection was real, and deeper after they met....and then she marries the other guy ten minutes after getting back home. Everyone seemed like nice people, and the twist of him actually being who he said he was was an interesting one, but it was definitely a wtf episode.

i LOVE Hugh too. I don't begrudge his nomination at all, I agree that both Mads and he deserve best actor nominations. I've long given up on the Emmys recognizing true art much of the time. One of my other absolute faves is often not nominated (tho he is this year): Walton Goggins. How he's not nominated for just showing up is beyond me. That's how I feel about Mads. I also can't comprehend a female finding anything to mock about him. Chelsea Handler must have lousy taste in men .

So...Hugh Dancy was nominated for best actor in a drama, critics choice awards... http://www.criticschoice.com/television-awards/ All due respect to Dancy, who I love and think is great...but how is Mads not nominated, not even as supporting actor (tho that would be inaccurate)? He is fucking brilliant. This show. It haunts me. I'm telling EVERYone about it, because they are really missing out on one of the finest programs on televsion anywhere. I never rewatch episodes of anything but I watched the finale twice. It's so incredibly epic and Shakespearean and tragic, and for whatever reasons, I cried thru the whole thing. Twice. It's so beautiful and brutal. It's art. Why aren't more people watching it??

I haven't watched in a very long time but am home today and happened to catch it. The Nick I remember was shy and sweet and smart so I'm kind of shocked to see he's become some much-hated villian. I loved him and always thkught Blake Berris was a really good actor and so, so pretty. Hard to imagine he's supposed to be a worse character now than EJ or Sami or Kate or half the rest of Salem.