luna1122

I'm a vegetarian. As for that soy steak: Many of us seek out meat substitutes that taste like the real thing, but you know, no killing. They don't exist. If they did, it'd actually make it even easier to resist the real bacon. I think. But i agree about the faux rape indicating a troubling lack of empathy and/or leading to lessened empathy. So basically I have no idea. Didn't we see some other guests besides the MIB try to rape Delores?

Yeah, I get that. But a sex toy blowup doll is not going to emote or react or cry out in pain or fear. The robots at Westworld definitely do. So that adds an extra level of creep factor for me. Of course, a prostitute would presumably at least pretend to be scared or in pain in a rape fantasy scenario but yeah, that repulses me too. I don't know. I'm still working through all this in my head. The intellectual side versus the emotional side. They're at war. Or at least having a spat.

I'd argue, I guess, that an impulse to kill can be sometimes justifiable, and sometimes at least understandable. While an impulse to rape is...not. Ever. But fantasies are different than reality, so while I personally don't get rape fantasies from any perspective, it doesn't mean that those who are inclined to them are inherently bad or dangerous or inferior. I can't help feeling repulsed by the men who come to west world in part to 'rape' robots who seem in every way lifelike, however. Maybe that makes me morally inferior

It's not, for me, at least, not in this case, anyway. It's the character's pushiness and neediness I'm responding negatively to. As mentioned previously, the actor played Benny on 'stranger things' and tho he was a brief-lived character, I loved him. LOVED him. I believe I'd have the same impression of Toby no matter who played him.

What about 'raping' a robot? Does it mean someone is inherently evil if that's their thing?

She didn't return, nor did her doppelganger. Presumably, she's with the Grandmother who wants custody of her...I can't remember if that's Lee or Mason's mom.

I think it's an interesting question, and I'm not completely sure of my answer. Empirically, I'd say it's no different than any other sex toy, so not a big deal, unless you're someone who has a problem with sex toys in general. It's fantasy, not real. I could see a couple having fun with the concept, so they could experience swinging or bisexuality without it being, you know, real. Tho we haven't seen any male sex workers, have we? Are the Westworld creators just a bunch a sexists, or do they not have them cuz they didn't exist in the old west, or do women just historically not want to pay for sex cuz we don't have to? What about gay men who want to indulge? I could be creeped out about it all, tho, if it was my guy's fantasy to go bang a bunch of robot whores, and spend a fortune to do it. I'm open minded but that still might...not fly well with me. I don't know. If nothing else, I might feel like he's kind of a loser skeezer. Of course, once we get into the robots in questions being so lifelike that they appear to have emotions, feel pain and hate and love and desire, etc...let alone that they actually really might feel those things...that's a completely different scenario.

She's been in a million things, but most recently as a therapist on "Unreal". I hardly ever judge a pilot by its cover. So many good shows have had shaky pilots. I laughed some, tho not at the adorable baby bear supposedly eating the adorable therapy dog. Not cool. I love Joel, I love McLovin'. I'll keep watching for a bit, anyway.

Ha. He-and you-are not old. But when you remember him as the 'little boy from Kate & Allie', it's hard not to feel old when you realize he's now over 40. And I'm older by...um, a few years, so.... We saw Lee in previews for next week, with creepy, uglied up, inbred Finn, so I'm assuming she's still alive. Tho I guess they could be recent flashbacks, showing us how they carved her up or something. Blurgh.

It was him. Frederick Koehler. I'm seeing it listed on IMDB but not Wikipedia, but I recognized him immediately too. Ack, he's 41 now. He's old. I'm older.

I wish they'd had more of the reenactors show up as well, I'd have loved to see the real life versions of wes, frances, denis, leslie, et al. Maybe it just would have been too unwieldy to have that many folks around, and dispatch them in just a few episodes. I'm still wondering about a 10 little Indians thing. Like someone we think is dead is...not. Audrey is fairly annoying, but I did feel bad for her last night when she thought Rory had left her. Her confessional about being foolish to believe he could love her when she's 15 years older than him being was poignant. (I'm 16 years older than my guy, so I can relate to the double standard of older men/younger women but not the reverse being accepted). As the recap said, 'No, Audrey, he loved the shit out of you' until the nasty evil nurse ghosts butchered him. Poor Rory.

I hope not ,but probably. It really was. One of my fave shows is ABOUT a cannibal, but that's cuz he looks like Mads Mikkelsen, not the inbred Polk tribe. Mama Polk was played by Robin Weigert, Deadwood's Calamity Jane. Yeah, that was actually the only way this all worked, for production to be dead so that there was no hope for outside help.

well, I gotta hand it to them, I was genuinely surprised by tonite's episode. Did not expect Sydney to be dispatched so quickly. Did NOT expect what Shelby did to Matt. That was disturbing, especially after the Walking Dead bloodbath earlier this week. Matt's suddenly awakening, and moving like an automaton to the basement, like...you know, a man possessed...that was creepy as hell. The house and the colony have twisted them all. I thought Cuba was badly miscast as OJ, but I've liked him just fine here, and tonite, I think he was pretty funny, extolling the virtues of being the bad guy. I had thought that Finn was going to be the ghost of Edward Mott, too, but I think he was indeed one of the creepy Polk brothers, which is a waste of his pretty face. I kind of cheered when the real Butcher offed the faux-one. Kathy Bates is remarkable, but a little of her usually goes a long way for me.

You read the room first, I think. Ask if it's okay to pause, don't do it during a big moment just to tell some story. We chat during tv shows, but not so much that you'd miss a plot point or dialog. That's just annoying. I sometimes watch commercials, some of them are funny. Or we talk thru them. I also hate people who just drop by and I don't answer the door, I don't really care who they are. And I've been known to have sex in a bathroom at a party or a bar, when I was younger. Now it mostly seems too uncomfortable and not worth the effort. I'm old. It's killing me that they haven't gone and gotten Clooney. Poor kitty.

I wouldn't run off from someone who had a ritual of watching the games with their dad, even dead dad in a hat wearing urn. I'd maybe find that a little endearing. I would have run off after the ex-spouse stalking. But I also would have run away screaming from someone who won't take no for an answer and who keeps pushing boundaries in ways that imply that my norm is weird or unappealing--as in, it's crazy to want to be alone one damn night of the week. Clearly, we all have different deal breakers, and they're very amusing and interesting to read. I do agree Toby not knowing about Jack being dead is a contrivance, one which will probably reoccur on this show as it strains to keep the 'twists' coming. I do like the twists, but it might lead to too many inorganic storylines and wtf moments. I knew i'd get disagreement about Beth. Like I said, I get it. I just would have tried to hold out for one more day so we could have a nice night, I think. Or not, who knows? I just felt bad for hopeful, excited-about-shower-sex-burger-in-bed-eating- and Florence-Foster-Jenkins watching Randall. I love the 'we need to talk about Kevin' idea! And he is insecure and inappropriately jokey. But I also think he's charming and funny and has tons of charisma. Or...maybe I just think that cuz he's so handsome, but I also think that a lot of folks would also think that. Being hot covers a multitude of sins, unfortunately, or fortunately, however you may look at it.

Yeah, Toby definitely lost any good will he'd gained for me last week with this episode. He is so pushy and controlling and needy and annoying. I don't think he's a bad guy, but he definitely has boundary issues that would be a deal breaker for me. I am sad about Jack, but like most everyone else, glad that he's not an absentee dad or in terrible health or something. We still don't know the story of how Rebecca and Miguel got together or when, I suppose there still could have been infidelity somewhere, but I do hope not. I'm very curious what happened to Miguel's wife, and also we now know there is extended family somewhere as well--Miguel's kids are the triplets' step siblings. Both Jack and Beth annoyed me last nite, picking inopportune times to have BIG conversations. A bar in the middle of a super bowl game, AFTER you're married, is not the time to talk about having babies. In front of your uncomfortable friends, no less. I wanted to smack him. I never wanted kids, so I felt for Rebecca and tho she said she imagined them with children, it felt like a compromise she wasn't sure of. That's a big compromise. And Beth...couldn't have waited one more day to have the 'maybe i'm knocked up' convo with Randall? She couldn't have just enjoyed the gorgeous hotel room and had some shower sex with her hubby? I get it, she was freaking out and not feeling great. I get it. But I still felt bad for poor Randall and his dreams of one luxurious, kid free night. I love that we got more insight into Kevin too. He hides his self doubt and insecurities with his good looks and inappropriate humor and superficial glibness. The dining room table scene was hilarious. I love his dynamic with William. His speechifying over his chaotic looking Pollack painting at the end got schmaltzy and overwrought, but that's this show, in general. I still really like it. I also do think we got a flash forward with William's death, and that he's not gone yet. Some of the questions about 'would this have happened all the way back then?'--meaning the late 70s, early to mid 80s--are making me feel really really old. Yes, we had sunscreen and interracial couples back then.

This is true. SJP comes from the SATC brand of comedy (at least most recently, and for the longest time), which is more 'dramedy' than than comedy. But Molly Shannon and THC are both from the broad brand of sitcom. It's a glaring difference, here.

Katy Mixon on 'American Housewife', who played Melissa Mccarthy's sis on 'Mike n Molly'. The title of her show was once "The Second Fattest Wife in Westport'. She is, I would estimate, a size 14 or so. Normal, you know. And the character she plays is confident and funny and has a husband who can't get enuf of her. But it's still all centered around fat jokes. Someone on the unpopular opinion thread actually said they didn't like Kate cuz she was fat. That wasn't the only reason, but her being 'too big' was a large (pun intended) part of it.

I'm still in as well, and probably will stick it out, tho I remain confused by the notion of Frances and Robert ever having been in love. By the time my ex and I split, I found him a buffoon and at least figuratively flipped him off all the time too (sad but true) so I get that part, but there is simply nothing about Robert that I can see Frances would ever have been all weak in the knees about. I love THC, but Robert is almost as broad as, say, Lowell on 'Wings'. I loved Lowell, but no way would I ever want to BE with him, he was a big weirdo. Robert at the open house was funny, but in a really cringey, embarrassing way, and that's how he comes across ALL the time. It doesn't appear to be a consequence of the bad marriage, or Frances' infidelity, but just who he is. Frances may be no prize, but she's a fairly, you know, normal person. Robert is a cartoon. Tho I did appreciate that we saw a bit of humanity in him this episode, an actual person beneath the clown. I do think her friend rattling off Robert's shortcoming and calling him a monster was unfair. Marriage is compromise, and I assume Francis wasn't forced to do any of the things that she mentioned. He 'made her get a 9-5 job'? Poor baby. most of us have to have those. I do wonder where her art gallery inspiration comes from--is she an artist? has she experience in the field, in business ownership, does she have relationships with artists, etc? Frances is apparently pretty bad at her job. Or just kind of a bitch. If I'd been her client, I'd have immediately asked for a new recruiter.

I'm so sorry. I had a Maggie the Cat as well, many years ago--she was my soul-cat. Still miss her. Sorry for your loss. This episode was torture porn. The loss of Glenn is devastating, even it's not shocking. I watched much of the episode thru my fingers. I have never hated any villain so much as Negan, I think. I know a lot of folks have a hard on for JDM but I've never been one of them, and I think he's so scenery chewing and lip smacking and over the top..he just needs a moustache to twirl. I cannot wait for Rick and Maggie to take turns smashing him to oblivion with his own stupid 'vampire bat'. Andrew Lincoln has the bluest eyes.

oh, thanks proudmary! That's interesting. She's hugging Kevin, so yeah, looks like she become a real family friend, especially since this was displayed at Randall's house. None of her kids, if she has more than one. And some were speculating that she and Jack have an affair, but would Randall have this pic if so, even IF Jack and Yvette wound up married? Pretty creepy to display the pic of mom AND stepmom, unless everyone is just all fine with it. I don't know. Weirder things happen, I guess.

I like this show, but I don't LOVE it. I haven't cried once. I think it's cheez whiz. nicely done cheez whiz, sometimes I like cheez whiz, but still. I never meant to watch it, it was the twist all the critics were raving about that got me here. I do feel compelled to stay, tho, even if it's unlikely to ever be my fave show. I like the twists. i'd be okay if they were every show. I think Justin Hartley is a better actor than apparently most everyone else does. I sympathize, empathize and feel for Kate but so far, she mostly bugs me. (the character, not the actor.) Toby---who I didn't care for the first three episodes at all---should run screaming from her. Neurotic and insecure is one thing. Semi-stalking the ex is batshit, or at least, batshit adjacent. She's not a teenager. she's a going on middle aged woman. I only kind of like Toby now cuz she called her on it. perhaps not unpopular: i'm really worried about William's cat, Clooney. go get the cat!!

I think they said they got married at 19. Been together 17 years. But they may have known each other all their lives. Or not.

Do we know Beth wasn't in the pic? We need a photo of the photo. All kinds of speculation around it!

It never occurred to me that the period thing is a generational issue, mostly cuz it's not, I think. I'm older than Liza (also, I kind of highly doubt that Debi Mazar still has this issue at all, sorry) and I never saw any big deal about it. I dated younger and older men pre-my SO, and the reactions to it were varied and usually fine but there wasn't a consistent generational-skewed result to it. This show tries too hard sometimes to emphasize the age gaps. I agree this issue would have come up before now. I like Josh--he's sweet, he's cute, he seems genuinely in love with Liza. My longtime SO is 16 years younger than me so I don't think younger men are only for 'sweet midlife romps'...they can be in for the long haul too. Charles is handsome but seems so stodgy, so I'm unclear why Liza is pining for him. Except that she's stodgy too. I never liked high necked tie-bow blouses and am unsure ANYone should wear shortalls, so yeah, that outfit was dubious. I didn't really like Liza's opera outfit either, except, as someone noted, for the back. Sutton Foster has an amazing back.