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Before I read the luscious snark that's surely going to brighten my morning: I fast forward past the baby factory family. No interest in the assorted drama going on there. Lilly and Lawrence: "What do you do all day?" If I was on a jury of a woman accused of snapping and killing her husband when he asked her that question in the tone that Lawrence used, I'd have a hard time convicting. The clip looked cut up a bit but when he came in from work, it did not look like he acknowledged Aliyah at all. Way to go, Mr. Authority. Nice message to send. Their cohabitation is going to be just a wonderful thing to watch unfold here. About a year or two ago, I read this book that I highly recommend called The Death of Expertise. The premise is that no one is allowed to be an authority anymore. About anything. If someone in this group is an attorney and says, "I know your best friend slept with your boyfriend, but that does not free you from having to pay her back the $50 that you borrowed from her and said you'd pay," someone coming along and saying, "Well, I just feel like that's bullshit," the idea is that their view is just as valid as the lawyer's. Here is a quote from the book: “It is a new Declaration of Independence: No longer do we hold these truths to be self-evident, we hold all truths to be self-evident, even the ones that aren’t true. All things are knowable and every opinion on any subject is as good as any other.” This is a real attitude and the poster boy for this is Jason. He knows nothing, yet knows everything. He was vicious and cruel in the birthing center. On another note: why didn't Kylen want them to see how dilated she was? What on earth was that all about? How would the midwives know what instructions to give her if they have no clue what is going on? I think the people at the birthing center should have called the ambulance because it was their duty to do that if a person there is in danger. Letting her leave that facility with the guy that was calling the shots, while she bawled in pain and could very well have passed out, didn't seem like the right thing for them to do. I cannot stand Jason. I saw the video on YT of that guy giving them money and stuff and he came across a bit different there, but in this show, he is nothing but a vile, disgusting piece of shit abuser and Kylen is a total doormat. I wonder if he hits her. Why would Kylen accept what he says with no pushback. Because she's afraid. My question is what is she afraid of? That he will be mad at her? Yell at her? Or beat her? I am liking Emersyn more each week. She defintely has a snot quality but I hate her mother even more. I get the whole "my house, my rules" thing but there is something about her mother that just is nails on a chalkboard. They're not having sex. He's there to help her with his baby too. I think under those conditions, mom needs to back off some. Her pearl clutching about the boyfriend's mom was just high dramatics rather than geniuine concern. You can tell that she expects to be right about everything and for Emersyn to hang on her every word and opinion. She's not. The boyfriend's father seems the most stable person in the bunch. Emersyn's step father is very like whipped.

To me, she has done too much. I was looking at the situation through the eyes of Lilly's mother and she's willing to do it so much so, that she spent an overnight trying to convince Lilly not to move out, so mom's not a victim here that's being put upon. Within the framework of that family, mom is fully willing to do most of the work.

I would definitely want to bail out too. I think Lilly said Lawrence was cheap so it's interesting that he was all about leaving and having to fork out a ton every month. I think he's a ball of anger and wants the freedom to be authoritarian and rule his home. Considering that Alliyah is a second class citizen to him already, I feel bad for her. I have no doubt he will treat Lilly a lot differently than he did in her parents' home. He just comes across as such an angry person that's always in a constant state of seething. I missed the part that @StatisticalOutlier mentioned about it being an hour closer to work for him. That definitely is a huge deal. I heard Lilly's mom say that the new place is far away. It's about 30 minutes in the car from Riverhead to Centereach so it's not like mom can pop in any time. Lawrence was wearing a Napa Auto Parts tee shirt that said "Stay back 6 feet" and something about Covid on the back so maybe that is one of his work shirts. If it is, driving over an hour away to work retail seems weird to me so maybe it was just another shirt. Lilly will go stir crazy at home alone with the two kids while he's spending all his time working (he made that clear when he made breakfast on Mother's Day when he said something like: "You better appreciate it because once we move I'm not gonna have time for anything that's not work so cooking definitely ain't my job"). She will be shocked and not happy that she actually has to do stuff now.

Lawrence needs to STFU about "I just paid $10k to move," "I'm paying the rent and I want authority," bullshit. Lilly gets paid by the show and contributes. Her mother is likely helping too, so he's not the sole provider. Without the show money, paying $2400/mo would likely be impossible. Long Island has insane property taxes. Centereach may have some $400k homes, but they'd probably be 1200 square feet and in addition to the mortgage, they'd probably pay upwards of $800/mo in property taxes. A major repair would be doom for such young people. It also entangles them financially if the relationship should crash and burn. They likely don't have a lot in savings and if he has a modest paying job and modest show income that will cease at some point, banks won't be jumping to lend them money. Not sure how hot the real estate market is in Centereach but there are lots of all cash offers these days and many home sales result in bidding wars. She should have stayed with her mother. That's a lot of money going out every month needlessly when they had a place to live. Lawrence wants to be the big cheese which is nice but they could be socking away that $2400 each month and when the show ends, Lilly can get a job, while mom babysits, and they could save even more. Now, all their money will go out the door every month in rent and living thin will cause a ton of stress.

Oh my. I weaned myself away from just about all the shows and made the mistake of watching episode one of this new season. I'm currently watching the third one, or whatever one in which Mason the scholar is explaining that he was told men can lactate if the woman cannot... In no particular order and before I'm caught up: Still can't stand Lawrence. He's a manbaby with an anger problem. It won't be long before their new apartment has holes punched in the walls. Lilly is super irritating but a guy who seethes and smacks my hand away would be shown the exit. I can totally see him saying, "Well, you made me do that..." Tired of Tyra and her sisters and all the babies, and Alex and drama and nonsense. Every scene they are in feels like a recording that's stuck looping the same song over and over. Fast forward. Watching the couple in New Hampshire makes me very sad. What kind of girls are being raised to be so meek and afraid to speak their mind? This guy thinks he knows everything. His parents walk on egg shells around him and cater to his every whim. This is what happens when the kid runs the house from day 1. You create a monster. Kylen is a complete doormat. Jason reminds me of Stephen from 90 Day in that he is going to dislike any attention taken from him and given to the baby. He's already shutting out her parents-- one of whom is dying-- and doesn't want his parents there. "This is our thing, not the grandparents thing" and then whining at his cousin's about everything being for the baby and nothing for him. What an asshole. Kylen is going to be stuck doing everything all the time. Telling her parents not to answer when they were asked if mom wanted to be at the birth shows a girl that is terrified of her boyfriend and if she doesn't hear it, she doesn't have to confront it. When her father pulled out the box of toy cars and said "this is my legacy for my grandson," I totally teared up. Mason and Emersyn: Her mother is a Karen. She scares me. Mason reminds me of Ethan from last season. I'd never picture these two as a couple. Boy, Emersyn looked like a totally different person in the TH as she did when putting together the hospital bag. Make up does do wonders. Is Aden ever nice to Jenna? This girl has two winners for parents and is emotionally abused 24/7 by her boyfriend. I'm shocked that she is able to function at all. Aden definitely has the manspreading down in the THs. He talks in slow motion. That would drive me nuts. I think that's everyone.

Does anyone happen to know where in NYC they live? I think I read that they planned to move to Brooklyn (where I live) but I could be imagining things. According to paycheckcity, if you earn $100k in NYC, with zero deductions (health care premiums, 401K, flexible spending, etc.) which is unrealistic, your take home every two weeks is about $2600. Their calculations don't appear to take into consideration local taxes, which takes another bite. In most areas of Brooklyn, even ones that some would consider sketchy, they will pay close to that in rent alone for a 2 bedroom apartment. Then there's one $2600. pay check left to cover all the rest: gas, electric, cell phones, cable/internet, food, clothing, auto expenses, general crap like shampoo and whatever, and all expenses that have to do with kids. Car insurance will be a big expense sine he's only 24 so if they have a car, there's more money going out. I don't know what "amazing" pay is or what skill set Steven has to earn a dazzling figure but rents in BK are very high everywhere now and adding a second kid is going to make their expenses skyrocket. I hope for Olga's sake, they are able to manage. She seems like a terrific person. Hopefully, Steven has grown up but you can't grow and learn without any sort of guidance. You don't just wake up one morning and become a responsible person. So not sure about that.

I wish I could remember the message board where we had a huge ongoing discussion for months and links to all kinds of stuff. I swear there was a 9 minute phone call that Diane had with someone at the campsite the night before they left. The only info I could find out about the 17 second call was that the person who received it said it was "weird." Doesn't say much. I don't buy that the kids were dialing wrong numbers. There were a lot of things: reports, videos, records, etc. release but some were not. You have to wonder why. With all the tooth pain and other excuses and stuff they were throwing at the wall, why didn't they say she was vomiting because she got food poisoning from McD? I believe one of the Bastardi family members wrote a book at one point. They sued but for a small amount because they were not looking for money, they were looking for information and figured a court case would force it out into the open.

I believe there was a 17 second call while she was driving home that just so happened to be to a person who lives near her work. That was the one written off by the wrong number. I think the 9 minute call occurred the night before they left the camp site to go home. So she had reason to drink and smoke all night if crazed over what happened in that call. There were lots of things posted back around the time of the documentary that are no longer compiled nicely but I specifically remember the 9 minute call reports. Something else that also puzzled me was that fine, Danny was going to drive home with the laundry and the dog. I get that. But wouldn't you go to breakfast with the familiy first and then head home after that? Maybe they had fought the night before and he left angry. The police report mentions that there was a video of Diane and the kids in McDonald's but later says that security video received in August does not show Diane going into McDonald's. We'll never know what really happened here. I hope Bryan is doing well and not living with his father. The end of the documentary when Danny tries-- probably for the cameras-- to take his hand and he slaps it away is pretty telling.

Maybe I'm nuts, but if my kids were in a car 90 minutes away crying and their aunt was driving, slurring, and calling her brother the wrong name, I just don't see myself thinking it's reasonable to tell the aunt to "stay there, I'll come and get you." They asked for an Amber alert for the car after they arrived up there as well. The police report pretty clearly states that despite Warren reporting that Jackie contacted two police barracks up there while he was on the way, neither department had any record of any calls. They found out about the situation when Warren and his father arrived up there. By that time, the crash had already occurred. The McDonald's video-- that could have truly shown what state she was in, if there was a dispute at the register, and if she looked tipsy-- was supressed. The authorities and the family PI had those videos and had no problem releasing some of them, so why not that one? The employees may have gone into cya mode. The family PI would have used it in a heartbeat if it was favorable to Danny's "she must have had a stroke" or whatever else they were trying to sell.

I found the document with the interesting take on the case: http://www.gossiprocks.com/forum/news/mother-three-girls-killed-taconic-crash-pregnant-again-page4-155747.html

I was pretty obsessed with this case and read every last drop I could about it when it happened and again when the documentary came out. I live in the NY metro so it was all over. Did not buy the dental pain theory because those calendar entries for Ambien and whatever were from a few years earlier. Jay looked like she perked up when she saw them in the calendar thinking they could push it off on that. Still not buying it. If you got a spontaneous, devastatingly painful toothache while driving, of all thing choices you have to make there, killing yourself and a car full of kids is just not something that would immediately come to mind. She was very strange. At one point, she went out to buy groceries and came home with a car. Her friend even-- gently-- said, "If she didn't like you, she could be difficult." She also said Diane was a backseat driver and would be all over giving directions even if you did not need them. I think she was a maniacal person all around. Weirdness about this case: You are sitting in your home and get a phone call from one of your kids. They are at least one hour and thirty minutes away from where you are and in a car that is moving. They are crying and frightened and say something is up. They read you a sign at their current location. What do you do? 1- Call 911, give the color, make, model and plate of the car and explain what your kid told you on the phone 2 - Tell the ill driver to wait there, on the highway, leave your house, go pick up someone else, then drive over 90 minutes to the location that your kid called from however many minutes ago and when you get up there-- well over an hour later-- and can't find them you head to a police station I just cannot fathom why option 2 above is something anyone would choose in that situation. I, too, think there is much more to the story. There were lots of folks looking into this on forums way back and someone did an excellent write up that I wish I could find again. One thing the person noted was that Diane got onto the parkway going in the right direction, got off, turned around and got back on the wrong way using the exit she just used to get off. That sounds premeditated to me even though I can't imagine someone doing that. If she was a psychotic person who found out that her husband was having an affair and snapped, you could almost see someone who is not right in the head killing their own kids and themself as a sort of "Fuck you" to the spouse they left behind, but your nieces? Just so unbelievable. Physically opening the window of your vehicle-- it was late July in NY and scorching hot-- and putting the only means of communication you have on a guardrail and taking off-- after your family has said they are coming to help you is not something a person who wants help would do. The video at the mini mart does not show her asking for anything so the Tylenol thing was never proven so I don't buy that either. Initially, the clerk in that store refused to speak to the police, which was bizarre. The Tylenol story was pushed by a PI with questionable credentials that was hired by the family. I find it hard to believe that a place like that would be sold out those little paper packets of pain reliever, and even if they were, a person in pain would take whatever they had. She didn't have time to ask for anything. Her mouth did not move in that video. Maybe she walked in there to buy more booze, and when she got in there saw that clock that it was not noon yet (it was a Sunday) and they were unable to sell it yet so she walked out. That could account for the walk in, look briefly, turn and walk out. The video of her leaving the mini mart/gas station was straight up frightening. She flew out of there and made a left turn without even slowing down or looking at the oncoming traffic in the right lane. There was a call made from her phone that lasted nearly 9 minutes while she was in the car. It was dismissed as a wrong number. Pretty lengthy for a wrong number. There was also talk of Diane having an affair and that maybe she was talking to that person and whatever was said prompted her to do this awful thing. I could go on forever about this but everything she did that day to me seems purposeful. I hope Bryan is doing well.

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Exactly why I stopped watching and just get updates in here. So this totally confused me. I can get the rudeness of not speaking to anyone but I don't buy that's what happened. I can't picture anyone-- even clueless people-- just walking into a room buried in their phone and saying nothing. She probably greeted them, exchanged some pleasantries and then sat down and at some point whipped out the phone. I can see people thinking that is rude, but describing that as a cultural incompatibility or cultural insult is quite a stretch to me. She's in a strange home with a ton of family members, probably doesn't really know what to converse with them about so she retreats to the safety of her phone so she isn't sitting there staring around the room and getting all self-conscious about just sitting there trying to look comfortable in a room full of strangers. It's understandable. Onto food. I am not eating anything that I cannot identify or that does not look appetizing or appealing to me. It has nothing to do with the race, religion, whatever of the people that have put out the food. It has to do with me not being adventurous in any way, shape or form when it comes to foods. I'm not interested in expanding my horizons until I can see exactly what is in a dish and how it's prepared. If going to an event and am told what will be served there, I can look it up and make a mental note of what I would eat. Otherise, walking in cold somewhere and seeing foods that are unfamiliar is just a no go. Again, calling that a cultural incompatibility sounds overly dramatic. A food incompatibility? Fine. Let's call it that. I've spend my life hearing about how when guests come to your home, it's all about the guests and their needs so I guess it's hard to understand why if a guest chooses to forego offered foods for whatever reason, that that is deemed an insult to the culture? What? I'm not eating it no matter whom has prepared it. Expecting a guest-- again, the one that is supposed to be the one accommodated-- to force themself to eat something that they do not like or want to seems really over the top. An example that was uncomfortable: I don't eat fish. The taste of it makes me almost gag. So sue me, I don't like it and don't eat it. My spouse and I were going to visit his aunt in another state for the first time and when we arrived at their home she had prepared this huge meal of salmon and other stuff that I do not eat. I explained that I don't eat any fish and that I was perfectly fine having a couple of boiled potatoes and green beans and that was the end of it. His aunt was not insulted. She didn't complain to my spouse or anything. I was not upset that she did not ask my spouse what I like before deciding what to prepare. My spouse was not upset with me. It was a very simple situation that was handled without anyone feeling disrespected or insulted.

I think advertising on dating sites that say "Hey, there's a show you can be on..." is an appropriate recruitment tool. But I don't know that they do that broadly. They likely have a team of people reaching out to "beautiful people" on those sites (who may have no interest in anything but looking in the mirror and putting notches in their belt) or they search YT and social media for up and coming actors, musicians, etc. that are good looking and say, "Hey, we have this show that could give you tons of exposure..." and the fame hungry jump all over it with the spirit of show the last thing on their mind. It's that that I think is bs.

I love Mittens too! I had my kitten spayed a few months ago at 5 1/2 months and when we got home from the surgery she was so sad and miserable in the cone that I put her in a onesie for the night. She had zero objections. I fully expected to be shredded wheat.

Kail misses the point about being a have rather than a have not. I grew up with not very much. The basics were covered but no luxuries or splurges of any kind. It sucked to see friends getting the expensive "hot" holiday toys and stuff and being the only one without a video game system, etc. But that was the way it was. When I grew up, started my career and began earning money-- and I'm just a regular, working person like most here probably are-- I didn't feel the need to spend all of it on various things to show that I had arrived or make up for what I didn't have at 11 or whatever. It's the feeling that if I want that $3k fancy thing, that I can get it. That feeling is what carries you along, not the thing itself or buying stuff as some sort of "fuck you" to the universe that shortchanged you or as a "Look what I have and you don't" type of thing. Newsflash: people don't care. I like my current 50" LG TV and regular brand fridge. I don't need to spend a fortune on new ones to demonstrate that I can afford them. Kail seems in a perpetual search for that thing, the tangible item that she can buy, that will flip on the switch that gives her that feeling. She'll never find it.

"You were going to have to replace the carpet an-neeee-way. You were going to have to repaint it an-neeee-way."

Totally agree. I think it is a combo of trying to make the show appear refreshed and also to appear like a real courtroom. Of course, in a real courtroom in which recording and cameras are not allowed, the court reporter has utility. On television it seems more of a prop that will be unnecessarily used to project some kind of realism. I can envison a scenario which under the old system she'd yell, "I have a tape!" Now she'lls say, "Myra (or whatever the reporter's name it), read that back," followed by giving a death glare to the litigant. It's the same with the granddaughter law clerk. She'll ask her to explain "that machine" or some other crap which she never needed anyone on air to do and will be a waste of time. I don't think I've ever watched an episode and thought, "Hmm, never heard of that. Let me Google it." If she asks the grand daughter to explain things like "the four corners of this contract," then it's just for exposure as she did just fine explaining things to people for the eternity that she was on TV. Still feel bad for how she treated Byrd. At least be proactive by calling him and saying the typical, "We're moving in a different direction." He certainly deserved some courtesy there.

I have no interest in this version of the show. It smells like an opportunity to get her grandaughter air time. There's no reason a law clerk needs to be sitting right there. There was also no reason to announce that it's her grand daughter unless this is an attempt to get exposure. The court reporter being there is dated and silly for a television program, especially one in which she has played back audio in the courtroom exactly one time that I remember (the Yeet girl who threw a girl's backpack and her computer got broken). Somehow, I'm guessing there will be a lot of need for "readbacks" now that they're paying a court reporter. Saw an interview with Byrd and he said his wife asked him if he had heard anything about being part of the new show and that he should contact JJ. He said he texted her and as usual, she called him back right away. He asked her if he was going to be part of the show and he said there was a pause and she said, "You priced yourself out." He was dismayed because no one offered him anything or even spoke to him so how did he outprice himself? It really left a bad taste in my mouth. I won't be watching it. It's a vehicle for her probable favorite granddaughter to get on television. Here is the interview:

I'm not sure when this became available on Netflix in the U.S. but you might want to put a spoiler tag on a particular part of your post. I had just finished watching the episode 3 when they waltzed and Michael said he was falling for her. I wanted to see if anyone else found that as great as I did and I saw this post and was a bit gutted.

Just started watching. Am a little way through episode 1 and I heart Ronan. You were right. He stole my heart. Oh I am so rooting for him. Michael is a riot. Off to binge...

There's also the matter of "surprising" your spouse with x-thousands of dollars missing from the checking account. If I were guessing about who wears the financial pants in that family, it wouldn't be Keith, so unless he was squirreling away thousands of dollars (which has its own set of 'wtf' that the wife would likely not be happy about) it just doesn't make sense. Double trouble if you "surprise" your spouse with an expensive item that they don't even want. I'm not buying that any of this is legit or some small situation like a major purchase gets twisted into a highly fictionalized, dramatic event.

That a spouse would be "in awe" of their spouse putting them first and caring for them in a medical emergency to me is totally bizarre. If after several years of marriage, my spouse expressed such an emotion, I would think they lost their mind. It's seems to be a theme in these shows: someone always has a "medical issue" that gets everyone all alarmed. It's so old now. I think these people are just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks so they can stay on television. It's like the producers think the audience is stupid and will buy some of this nonsense. How convenient that these people record themselves and we're supposed to buy that it's a slice of their real life? Nope. A slice of life in terms of Stephanie and Baby Huey was his meltdown tantrum over a shower caddy and his "I don't wanna" tantrum in the hammock, along with many more such events. Landing a significant other does not make your personality go away. If you threw a red faced fit over nonsense like a shower caddy with someone you were in the limerence phase with, I can only imagine what a baby he is now that they're settled in. I mean, can you imagine being Stephanie if this toddler gets the flu? I just can't....

Was anything mentioned about Danae (sp? and I believe he changed his name but I don't remember what it is). If I remember correctly, when the show ended last time, they were together after having met up and the program ended with Brianna saying that they'll see where it goes.

What kept going through my head while reading this was: "I'm Farrah Abraham. I bridge countries." Oh, and she doesn't have a cultural team... she has a very cultural team.