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How southern? And don't say "Mystic Falls" !!

From Jim Michaels, it's on a site called Whosay that wasn't displaying right, so pasted it here:

Have to say, this episode so far is not filling me with awe. Pencil me in as "undecided".

I'd be up for that!

I had no idea, time for a rewatch!

This is somewhat Supernatural related, but didn't really have a better topic to post it in. When I go to visit my parents, I take the train. If you live around DC, you'll know about 95 going south Friday at rush hour, so yeah train. I take the VRE down (about an hour 20 min) and Amtrak back (little less than an hour). I love taking the train, instead of driving. It gives you a chance to see cities from a different perspective, as a lot of train tracks run through more industrial parts of town, or parts that are decaying/abandoned, or both. I've stuck a Supernatural soundtrack on my phone (consisting of the actual soundtrack, the songs from "Fan Fiction", plus other score music I've found on websites, mostly YouTube), and playing through the whole thing takes about two hours. After a crap week, be it work, life, or whatever, it's wonderful to be able to sit watching out the window, listening to Supernatural music, and picture Sam & Dean driving down some of the roads we pass by. Spot a warehouse, that could be where a djinn has set up. Pass by an ironworks warehouse. A hole-in-the-wall bar. Cheap motel. Make a note of a hardware store. That store might have guns. Salvage yard. Some weird dirt lot that has a billion cars waiting to be hot-wired. And lots of two-lane roads. Bottom line, it cheers me up and puts me in a good mood by the time I reach my destination. I tried to take a few pictures with my phone out the window, but focal length + window reflection = not turning out great. So have this picture, which reminds me of Supernatural because of the image contents and coloring (I'm currently using this on my work computer as the background): If anyone wants the original for a desktop, I found it here: http://wallpaperswide.com/desert_road_and_mountains-wallpapers.html

This pretty much sums up exactly how I felt after watching the episode. Why bother having Aaron in the episode at all? Dean could've called him without even seeing the other side of the conversation. I was hoping Aaron meets up with them and golem goes on a rampage, and instead ended up with hypergirl and boywonder.

+1 billion to this

I am thinking she's the witch that raised the brother/sister hunter duo. A witch wouldn't be caught DEAD wearing hunter clothes!

I'm really looking forward to this episode!!

I'm so sorry to hear that @catrox14

You wrote this while I was typing up my big post, so didn't see it until later. This is the best way to describe how I feel. Normally the time jumps don't bother me, but this one was weird.

Thanks for this, I needed it too!!

A very good friend of mine became a US citizen 5 years ago; he's originally from Pakistan, and Muslim. He sent me a text this morning (regarding the election) that read "We didn't succeed but we tried. Let's hope we all work together for the betterment of all. I still have hope in this country." All I could think of was, "What show you been watching?"

So a few random thoughts, before we hit the new episode tomorrow night. First, I wanted to say that this episode is not what I expected. I was pleasantly surprised in that regard. On Aramaic (emphasis mine) Sam isn't fluent, he didn't know what the words meant; he only said it sounded more like Aramaic than Hebrew to him. From "Plush": (again, emphasis mine) This was early in the season, and I can see Sam spending months going through the books, translating what he could, and listening to translations online or from the MoL archives. Listen to it enough, and you get a sense of a language, even if you can't understand it. I watch enough Bollywood films to tell when one is not in Hindi (like Punjabi or Tamil), and I might know a word here and there, but doesn't mean I can tell exactly what they're saying. Honestly, I thought it sounded more like Arabic to me. Granted I am not a priest, and I am not Catholic, but I don't know why any priest would know Aramaic, unless they were a scholar/researching it. Latin I can see, there are even some services around here in Latin, but not Aramaic. Am I way off here? On psychic powers I think this has been pretty much answered, but I didn't view Magda as one of YED's special kids. The accident Magda caused that injured her mom was 5 years ago, and she looks maybe 18 to me? That would put the outburst around 13, which made it seem to me she was born with this power, dormant until she hit puberty. Then, emotions got the best of her and as Sam put it, came out of her like a punch causing Mom to yank the wheel into oncoming traffic. On the family On one hand, I felt sorry for all of them. You are somewhat religious, and one day your daughter comes to you telling you she hears voices in her head. Then she screams at you and you feel your hands pulled in a direction they should not be going. If you have no experience in the supernatural, what do you think? What would you even do with her? Not saying the family did the right thing in locking Magda away and having her whip herself, but they did try to keep her away from other people so she wouldn't hurt them (which obviously didn't work). It just seems they were short on knowledge, and therefore short on options. On the Dean vs Sam story Due to the topic, I think Sam was the more appropriate one to talk to Magda. He knows firsthand what it is to feel like a freak, to have a power you can't control, and to have your family hate you (or at least be very wary towards you) because of it. Sure, Dean could've been switched with Sam, but then you end up with a different story. I don't think Dean would've shown the same compassion and understanding towards Magda that Sam did, and because of that I don't think he would've been able to talk her down from stabbing her mother. So in this case, I didn't mind that Dean somewhat disappeared the second half of the episode. It's not like we haven't seen episodes where Sam disappeared for half the time ("Baby" is the first one I think of). I absolutely agree with writer fail when Dean leaves Beth's office. Obviously he knows it's urgent to get to Sam, he peels out from the parking lot, yet we don't see him until the next day? On what happened after the call What happened after Magda dropped the knife? Did she free Sam? Did her mom just stand there? She seemed pretty upset when being put in the cop car, I can't see that she would just let Magda release Sam without trying something else. Other random nonsense The family lives on this farm, with horses, and all I kept wondering was how do they generate money to be able to afford it? Told Sam to stay in the horse stall, hidden, while he tries to call Dean. He didn't listen, but he didn't have service in the barn anyway. I did laugh at his MoL phone wallpaper. And CPS putting a child on a bus to California by herself? I'd think at the very least they'd make Auntie drive out to pick her up. But if she really is 18, that could be why. Poor Magda, ending up dead in a bus stop bathroom without getting the chance to try for a normal life. I have to wonder if Sam & Dean will ever find out she's dead (as a news story they come across, rather than the Big Bad gloating about it) I also completely forgot that her brother was killed by Mom; when Magda got off the bus I was thinking "where the hell is her brother?" When I did the re-watch, then it became clear. I also thought with many of you that Magda's bizarre path away from the bus meant she was either running away, or Up To No Good. Again on the re-watch, the bus driver says that there are soda machines to the left, bathrooms to the right. It's clear she's going to the right when the rest of the bus I guess was SUPER thirsty. Overall, I have to say I liked the episode, but will not pull this out for re-watch as a stand-alone episode.

Nothing like standing in line to vote while listening to Jensen's version of "Simple Man". I had no idea he has such a beautiful voice!

I zoomed in on Sam's phone when Dean was calling (sitting on the table and the parents are looking at it) and the clock says 5:36PM (it could also say 6:36, but I think it's 5:36). Edited to add picture: I got the impression that they lived way out of town, plus he would've had to park the car and walk the rest of the way (or run) to the house. I'm not excusing the poor use of time in this episode though. Unless the farm is a good two hours away from Beth's office, there's no reason Dean should've taken that long. All the yes to this. I found the "bowl of stew in front of a tied-up Sam" infinitely amusing. Was she going to force feed him? If no one else (other than the mom) was left alive to stop him, Sam could've easily stood up and smashed the chair by running backwards into the wall (his feet were not tied to the chair, only his hands). In fact, I totally expected him to do that once Dad was face-down in the food.

I don't know if you'd consider it flashy, but he saves Dean at the end of "Red Meat". After bleeding quite a bit too.

I can't really play this because I don't have a lot of time usually to check the site during the day. I just popped in to say I'm greatly enjoying reading the questions and answers, and playing along in my head!

Was just reading an article on "The Running Man", and looking at screencaps, and who should I spot but Zachariah: Being an ass even back in 1987! (plus I should watch this again)

Congrats to the Cubs!! I hope in whatever Supernatural version of heaven Grandpa's in, they let him live broadcast the game :)

More bunches of random thoughts, mostly inspired by what others have added to the thread. From "Dark Side of the Moon": This is what I pictured was going through Dean's head when Mary was talking. Sure, it was Zachariah's construct and not really his mom, but the words were said using her face and her voice. I seriously hope he doesn't start numbing himself with alcohol again. I still feel that the end was missing a scene. I wanted something like this: (I honestly don't know why they don't use the "pray to Castiel" location spell more often. If Sam had done that two episodes ago, they could've found him much faster. Plus I'd be greatly amused if he sat in the front seat and just pointed in the direction of Sam like an angelic divining rod, leaving it up to Dean to figure out how to drive there. Yeah, plot reasons...) Then at least she's got money, shelter, a way to contact people, and some protection. I think they should've had Castiel brand her ribs with the same Enochian warding they got. I've got a bad feeling that we're going to end up seeing a "Lucifer possesses Mary so Sam will be forced to say yes to being his vessel again" storyline. Really hope I'm wrong (please let me be wrong). I really wish Bobby was still here, I think he would've been a good person to talk to for her. He could relate stories of the boys growing up, of John. He could tell her about the argument over licorice, or Jet Li vs Chuck Norris. Dean working on Baby. Any number of stories. Since he was privy to most of what happened to them after John died, he'd be able to answer a lot of questions from her, when she was ready to ask them. And yeah, he'd also be a stranger, but he wouldn't keep calling her Mom or expect anything from her. When Rowena sent Lucifer to the bottom of the ocean, did anyone besides me think SHARKIFER ? Have to say, I'm liking her new look. No more taking teeny steps in a dress! And look at her not needing the Big Strong Men for a rescue (although she probably did need a lift back to town, which is why she waited for them). I was really surprised she wasn't pissed at FERGUS for leaving her to Lucifer, but she didn't even bring it up! The truck! I have so many questions about the truck. Why is Castiel still driving it, instead of the pimpmobile? Didn't Marvatron bring it back to the bunker when he was hovering around outside, wanting to help with Amara? Won't the original owner eventually report it stolen? What if one of his friends sees the truck? If they were only 3 hours from Lebanon, AND he knew WHERE Lebanon was, he's probably from the area. Had to laugh at Dean's reference to Sam's "s'mores feet". Easy to joke when it wasn't YOUR feet getting flame-broiled! For the case, I was confused a bit with the crying baby. None of the children were babies, so who was crying? I don't think it was Lucas, I think it was the girl's doll (one of those "cry like a real baby" dolls) Lucas was using to get someone's attention who could save them. Lucas couldn't leave the house, but the baby's cries could be heard from outside. Also +1 to the guy for calling 911 and reporting a baby in distress. Succinct and to the point! I would've called them and said something like "There's this baby crying in an abandoned house, seems real shady." Loved the roll-away bed against the wall in the motel room. I too wondered who was relegated to using it. Liked Mary's new haircut, Dean's jab at Sam's hair, and Sam's frowny response. I work in a mostly male profession, and most don't notice at all when I change my hair; if they do, it's something like a week later. At least it only took them only a few minutes! And her slide into the weapons bag to grab the salt shotgun, I SWEAR Dean did this exact move at some point, but I can't place the episode. (Adding this: I think what I'm remembering is from last season's finale, when they were ghostbusting. Dean slid across the floor into the weapons bag to grab the crystal) Also the camera on Mary when she's fighting the spirit for control, the overhead shot of her upturned face, reminded me of the scene from "Home" where she tells the ghost to get out of her house (so does the "I'm sorry" she says in "Home" and in this episode, both to Sam) It's interesting how the whole episode Dean's in denial, while Sam's being pragmatic. Since Sam is the one who chose to run away from the life repeatedly, he can see how badly Mary is coping. I don't know if he thought she would leave so suddenly, but I think her leaving wasn't totally unexpected.

Oops I did see that and I meant to comment on it. Apparently all of the Prince shout outs went waaaaay over my head, had no idea that was even going on until you posted about it. Guess a re-watch is in order, as I am not totally convinced that's what the motorcycle was about :)

As someone else mentioned, it would've blasted both Lucifer and Castiel away. Maybe she didn't know the spell at the time, or maybe it was a combo spell that she had to weaken the vessel first before blasting him away. It might not have ever occurred to her to try something like it, until Lucifer brought up the fact that he was tired of vessels destroying themselves and wanted to strengthen it. Sometimes being under a lot of pressure can really inspire you! That said, go Rowena! I too was curious about this. The only other time he even said anything about a motorcycle was during the Oz episode. I don't think he made any sort of comment when they were investigating the Boyle's Boys biker bar massacre and there were a bunch of them around. I like the theory of Mr. Ketch, but I figure with his suitcase and his portable weapons locker, he seems more like he needs a town car for that. Maybe someone following them reporting back to him? Also took me out of the episode. Not only did he get sarcastic, all of his facial expressions reminded me of how Lucifer was when possessing him. I kept thinking this is not how Cas behaves so why is he doing it now? Also please stop. My heart broke for Dean at the end, when he pulls away and won't let her touch him. I half expected him to shout something like "Dad died for me, because of what YOU started, and you can't even be bothered to STAY?" But that's the Dean we've seen around Sam, when he's angry and hurt. This Dean was truly hurt, I don't think he has the power in him to be angry at her, at least not yet. He wouldn't even look at her. I saw her walk out with the journal and thought "I really hope they scanned in all of those pages, or at least behaved like Bobby the Paranoid Bastard and made a photocopy." But having had the journal for a decade now, they probably have most if not all of it memorized. I can't even remember the last time they needed to reference it. This is the EXACT thought I had when Dean told her she was home, and she said "No I'm not". Although I'm not sure what she would gain by going to the house, unless it is to talk to Missouri. I wonder if the family they met in "Home" is still living in the house? I figured this is why she would eventually leave, that it's all too overwhelming for her to deal with all at once. Pretty much everything @Hana Chan said above, but much better than I could. I didn't like the mention of "in Heaven" in this episode though, when two episodes ago she couldn't remember anything of where she'd been. Is this a clue that she's starting to remember things? Or just writer fail? About the actual case, I think I will need to watch it again, it felt disjointed to me. I also didn't believe that Dean would not shoot possessed Mary with a rock salt gun, yes it stings but it won't kill her and it's the quickest way to get rid of the spirit (he shot a teenage girl last year with it!) Maybe a little of what @sarthaz said above, stupid to advance the plot. On a bit of a shallow note, I love Rowena's nail polish & Sam's hair.