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It's actually the chorus. Or one of the choruses. I don't care if one doesn't like the religious songs but I just found the comments regarding it interesting. I didn't really listen to We because I'm not a fan but her song also has God in it.

Y'all realize the song Billy Gilman did is also about God? I don't mind those songs but I understand people do. I'm just confused on why Sundance is the only one being mentioned in regards to this. I like country but I thought Josh was awful. I always feel as if it's an impression and I want to listen to the original.

Journey Back to Christmas is my favorite so far. I loved that while there was some romance, it hardly took up any time and it was straightforward.

Journey Back to Christmas is my favorite so far. I loved that while there was some romance, it hardly took up any time and it was straightforward.

Was it Janice Johnson?

My kids are pickly and they mainly eat bread on Thanksgiving. They've added peas but that's it. They would think the hot dogs were amazing. I wouldn't but I think kids would love them.

Also, comparing twitter saves to the live voting is useless. Many people will do the twitter saves but not vote the other way. Both my mom and husband do exactly this.

Good grief, I've seen enough of Gabby flipping her stance about marriage.

I think Miguel's wife would be pretty upset knowing her husband is pining over his best friend's wife while they're still married.

Two were guilty. The one with the 3 guys and the rape/assault. Only one guy did it.

I should have clarified. The first Thanksgiving without doing what Rebecca's parents wanted. Or Jack's parents before they died. Just their little family. And yes, Rebecca's parents are awful and I would have stopped going there much sooner! Miguel was pressuring Kevin. I don't believe Kevin would have let Miguel wear it if he hadn't been sitting there pouting and he hadn't laid a guilt trip about the girls. Miguel could have smiled or pretended to enjoy it.

I really like this show and hope they give it another chance.

Your view of traditions is going to depend likely on what your family does. We have traditions that we do with our family that date back to when I was a child.We're a tradition heavy family. My husband is happy to continue them. His family rarely did anything for any holidays. I don't see any reason why the traditions had to be modified. That was their first Thanksgiving as a family and that's what they created. I'm guessing the next year, that's what the kids wanted to do and it stuck. With Jack's passing, that likely helped them stick this long as well

I completely agree with this. I just don't think that makes it ok for Farrah to decide to do whatever she wants. She wasn't doing anything either. She did it to get the reaction from them. I'd leave too if someone showed up that late. I wouldn't get involved in a brawl, though. It doesn't matter if the 3 have nothing else going on. They all behaved badly and most people wouldn't put up with any of them. I'd be curious to know if Farrah not showing up for the Ask the Moms was in breach of her contract.

While I understand why Farrah wouldn't participate in the ask the moms, it is inexcusable for Farrah to show up whenever she pleases. 5 hours is absurd. She did it to tick them off and act like a diva. She did it because MTV let her do it. They likely let her do it for the drama. I'm surprised many think showing up that late is no big deal.

Exactly. I bet Miguel knows how the tradition started and why they do it. That makes it even worse that he asked.

If Jack also knew about William, I'd also say it was wrong of him to not tell Randall once he was 18. Of course, Jack may not have had that chance. My mom loves me but that doesn't mean she gets a pass every time she does things that hurt me, make me angry, etc. I may get mad at her but I still love her. That's why I see no issue with Randall being mad at Rebecca.

I understand why Rebecca didn't tell Randall when he was a child. But I believe Randall did ask about his birth parents. When he was 18, she should have absolutely told him this is your bio father's contact info and name. Then he could have made his own decision on what he wanted to do. Rebecca knew it was wrong and that Randall would be upset if he found out. That's why she made sure to tell William not to forget their deal. That doesn't make her a bad mom but it wad a bad decision. William being a drug addict doesn't make him a bad person. Most drug addicts are good people. I do think Randall's bio mom dying and him abandoning Randall probably led to his recovery. I'm sure he relapsed a few times since that is typical. But again that doesn't mean he is some terrible person.

7:45 gets out at 2:30. The 9:15 gets out at 4:15. Elementary starts at 8:30 and gets out at 3:15. The move to later start times shortened the day which I was thrilled about. I really wanted it to be shortened by 30 minutes but it didn't happen.

Our sixth grade starts at 9:15. The middle school starts at 7:45. Many many people tried to get them to change the high school and middle school to start later by 30 minutes. The compromise was they moved it to 15 minutes later.

Or he abandoned them to marry Rebecca. What if Jack and Shelly die in a car accident together? I find it odd that there hasn't been a throwaway line about the step-siblings. But I suppose that would be another twist. I agree that Annie and Tess are Miguel's grandkids. The fact, that to him it's a Thanksgiving tradition is exactly the issue for me. It matters what it is to the adult kids. He's ignoring the fact that it's a father/son tradition to the adult kids. It's a way they honor their father and can share a memory of him together. Miguel made it all about him and it isn't. There's a million other ways he can have fun with his grandkids.

Where the heck are Miguel's kids? I haven't seen him trying to connect in any way with the adult kids. The grandkids, yes. Randall has obviously let his kids have a relationship with his kids considering they call him Grandpa. I don't see saying no to Miguel as rude. I think him asking was rude. I did think Randall didn't greet him as warmly on the drop in but other than that he seems to treat him fine. We have yet to see Kate interact with him so we can't make a judgment there. If wearing the hat is the only way to be involved, then I suppose Rebecca, Kate and the others aren't involved either. It's not like they're disinviting Miguel. For all we know, Miguel deserves the animosity. Or maybe he doesn't. I just have sympathy for the kids. Having a parent remarry is tough even when the other parent is alive. Jack is gone, so that makes it worse.

He's involved in all the others such as the yarn, movie, hike, and hot dogs. It doesn't matter if Jack is perfect or not in this case. I get the feeling from the next preview he wasn't perfect. It matters that it's a tradition their dad created and didn't get to do it for his grandkids. Randall and Jack have carried it on in memory of their dad. He wasn't smiling or laughing when Kevin came in to do the Pilgrim Rick thing. He sat there stone faced. I have a great relationship with my step grandmother. Sometimes when I see her at the house or doing something my Grandmother used to do, it's an absolute gut punch. I imagine it's the same or worse when you don't have a good relationship with the person.

December bride is ridiculous. The premise of everyone in the family having no issue with her cousin dating her fiancee and then marrying him wouldn't happen. I handwave so much when it comes to Hallmark but I couldn't this time. She wouldn't be all happy with her aunt. Her dad wouldn't be at the wedding. That's the stuff that causes family rifts.