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I have wondered if Kody doesn't have a bit of a pregnant woman fetish.

When Christine said about having the ceremony in their backyard Mykelti immediately said "I don't want it in your backyard". She didn't say 'the backyard' or 'our backyard', but YOUR backyard. They didn't go into a whole lot of detail about how Christine denied Mykelti coming home to live after realizing "college is hard", but after hearing her say that I wonder if she isn't holding on to more than a little resentment.

Could she be trying to build her own Pyramid?

I'm not an expert (but I do live in a house :D ) The term references the fact that the mortgage holder owes more on the loan than the property/house is worth. It falls "short" so to speak. A short sale can only happen when the bank (holder of the loan) agrees to accept less than is owed and basically calls it even. The property owner makes nothing on the sale because the entire amount from the sale goes straight to pay off the loan, and the bank has to agree to accept the lower amount. Its a lose lose...but the reason it usually happens is because the property owner can't pay the mortgage and the bank stands to lose even more in foreclosure/reclaiming the property and then selling it themselves. It's kinda like a save. The bank gets some of its money and the property owner doesn't get a foreclosure on their credit and walks away from the property. You see them happen a lot after housing/property bubbles burst.

I wondered if it was a short sale... Usually a short sale happens to save both home "owner" and the bank from the complications of foreclosure.

When I went back to view "the proposal" to type out the poem...Mykelti says to him..."can you kiss me now?" and they kiss. However Tony leans forward and it looks like he's trying to deepen the kiss, but Mykelti pulls back and it looks uncomfortable and she says "...okay!" I don't think these two have had any deep intimacy. If Tony was in an awkward position when Kody brought up waiting for sex...it might mean that he had intimacy with someone else.

Mykelti's Proposal Poem by Tony I know it has been but a short time But I'd like to propose to you with this short rhyme I propose that we live together to the very end Because you have become my best friend We will spend our days in joyful love We will travel the world like a majestic dove We'll build a family upon our traditions And we'll cook good Brown food in our kitchen All this could be yours if you'll say yes to me So what do you say!? Will you marry me?

Oh my gosh!! You are so right!! I kept hearing that "Marsha Marsha Marsha!!" in my head, thinking about the family dynamic...I did mean Jan Brady... oops lolol

I agree with RedHeadZombie above...watching Mykelti and Tony together is like watching 14 year olds trying to act "mature" just because they are playacting an adult role. ...and a note to Christine...maybe Mykelti is quiet and reserved around Tony because she gets all of his attention. She no longer has to stand out in a crowd of children. Lumped together with "the girls" born at a similar time or lost in the crazy noise of Christine's house. She's like the Marsha Brady in Christines girls. Not the oldest and mama's helper Aspyn, but not the crazy loud and obnoxious little girls either, but stuck in the middle. Mykelti and Tony are both emotionally stunted immature Adult children. And Janelle. Wow. just wow. Could she moan and bitch any more about how everyone is steam rolling over Madison's wedding by even thinking of Mykelti's. Um...I'm just a mother of two children. One boy, one girl (now both amazing adults) and we had to do many sit down diplomatic family meetings together...the only thing I kept saying over and over was...why don't you just ask Maddie!!?? Is Maddie bent out of shape at the shear THOUGHT that a younger sister would DARE get married the same year?? And then to say that "so many siblings" are going to be so upset at the thought of Mykelti stepping on Maddie's wedding toes....I really think that if I were sitting there I would be the one to look her in the eye and state..."Really Janelle!? Which siblings? Who will be heartbroken with two weddings in three months time!!??" Really Janelle!? Trying to work through issues and find a way to have a working relationship with a woman you have known half you life is the "hardest thing I've ever done". She is more emotionally stunted than all of them put together. I am starting to see why her cluelessness and indecisiveness made it hard to deal with her over the years. She actually really irritated me in this episode. I think she needs to put in extra one on one time with Nancy and get to the bottom of her own issues.

The conversation between Kody and Mariah was (in my opinion) and more real than usual conversation that we have seen on this show. First…Meri is a bully. She has used the words “I am used to speaking my mind” as a cover for pushing people around and refusing to be diplomatic in a family where the NEED is diplomacy because there are so many different needs and personalities to be dealt with. As a bully she refuses to see herself from others’ point of view. SHE wants everyone to just gloss it over, to buy her line of BS and go back to the way things were. Well, S H E hurt people with her behavior (and then hurts them even more with her lies), so they aren’t going to be able to move forward until they are more satisfied with the closure. Yet she is unwilling in any way to come clean…fully clean…about what she did. Yes, she ended up a victim of a professional scammer, but that isn’t the role that she played. She was in love, full on…giddy, girly, do stupid things in Love. Until she admits to herself, to everyone else NONE of them are going to be able to fully move forward. It will hang over the Meri/Mariah relationship and taint them for a long long time. I always thought that Kody HAD to have looked online at what was put out there by the Catfish. I mean come ON…your wife is publicly outed as having an online affair with the proof painfully posted for all to see. But after this conversation I no longer think he looked into all of it. He really just wants to stick his fingers in his ears and “La la la la” believe that Meri was a poor victim of the “evil” that is out there in the outer world where evil is waiting to prey on the righteous. For him to sit there and actually be afraid that Mariah was going to taint his beliefs in Meri’s Victimhood…wth!? In Mariah…Meri is getting a taste of her own medicine. She gets to full on learn what everyone else has to go through to deal with her, and she really doesn’t like it. Mariah and all of her seemingly snide and snotty, bratty behavior….I suspect that she is just like Meri. A N D Mariah is really the only person who is really really speaking the closest to the truth of the pain that Meri put the family through last year. Mariah doesn’t buy the public “I was just looking to make a friend” crap that Meri is hiding behind. Mariah was there…she was present as an adult child when Meri was texting and talking on the phone OPENLY in front of Mariah with her “friend” from online. Mariah was upfront with Meri that she was being lied to and Meri did everything anyway. Mariah knows that Meri had more “fillins” to this person, real or fake. Mariah knows that Meri is trying to snow everyone, to gloss over her role in the whole thing and she isn’t going to just accept it and go back to the land of rainbows and unicorns. While it wasn’t said…something I picked up between the lines from Mariah was more along the lines of… “…Mum, you can snow and lie to the people in TV land, but you need to stop lying and come clean to M E!” Until Meri comes clean to Mariah (and in essence to herself), I don’t think their relationship has a chance to be anything but a surface talk about the weather kind of relationship. As for Kody taking “responsibility” for his part in the whole picture…I’m still deciding. Either he has gotten advice to say that he was part of the problem and part of the reason Meri was in such a bad place…or he really feels that way. Hey, it’s TV, we will never really know. He does admit openly that he and Meri have had problems for a very long time. And I agree with many others who have said that the core of Meri’s issues with Kody is pretty simple…she isn’t cut out for polygamy. She may have agreed to it so that she got the guy she wanted, and she had him to herself for a couple of years before things got real. They had a long honeymoon in the beginning and she settled in just fine, I think that is why Janelle took such abuse from Meri, because Meri wasn’t okay with the reality of polygamy and Kody is way too emotionally stunted to step in where he needed to and take charge of the beginning of his family growth. Kody was plain and simple an idiot to bring Robyn into the family when he was having obvious issues with Meri. They were in therapy way back then before Robyn, and we all got to see how things went downhill from there. That marriage certificate was EVERYTHING to Meri…she hung the thing on her wall in her bedroom for gripes sake!! The problem was…come divorce time…we saw that it was truly meaningless to Kody. He couldn’t/wouldn’t see what it meant to Meri…he only sees it as a piece of paper that is required, like a W-2 from your employer to fill out your tax forms. But to Meri it meant something very deep. He dropped a huge ball when he expected Meri and Robyn to see it as meaningless. He was already not supportive of Meri back then, he certainly didn’t kick it in and be sure to give her some extra comfort afterwards…then Meri turns online and bingo…she’s caught up in a whole different world. Just like Meri has dictated how SHE needs things to be from the very beginning (from the division of finances to PDA rules etc) she is trying to dictate how everyone else deals with the situation and even feels about the situation. SHE wants everyone to just “get over it” and “move forward” but it really isn’t that simple.

I can remember the first time I saw that photo I put it up as big as I could on my screen. If you looked in the background...it was Meri's house. So if it wasn't Meri doing that, the person was in her house when they did.

Caleb is from a Christian church. It was mentioned on the show a few years back that Kody's brother converted to Christianity within the church his wife belonged. Caleb's father is a Pastor, most likely of that church. I don't remember what it was called. About the alcohol, they always seemed to skirt around exactly what their church says/does on camera. But I do remember the trip the wives made together and they were at a restaurant and decided to "enjoy the local culture" by ordering a tasting of various beers. Christine seemed to be the most into it and they all seemed to be willing...however Robyn clearly did not have any alcohol. At the time I believe she brought Solomon with her on the trip because she was still breastfeeding, but if I recall correctly there is a statement in her divorce papers saying that she is not allowed to consume any alcohol around her children. There have been photos (on twitter maybe?) that were candid selfies and someone spotted wine bottles in the background and Christine also spoke on camera about Truley enjoying her cocoa in bed while Christine enjoyed her red wine. So the Browns do drink alcohol.

Yup...

Mariah was always PRO polygamy...up until Mum was caught on the catfish line...then she did a complete reversal, but she sited her education as the reason her mind was opened to "critical thinking" Aspyn has wishy washed around the subject saying yes, and maybe, then no. Mykelti actually once said that she would first find her husband and if he and her decided to follow polygamy then she would do it. But I think she is firmly in the no category tho. I believe that Robyn's daughter Aurora has stated that yes, she is interested. But she seems to say anything that will get the camera in her direction. The boys have usually all said the same thing...they aren't "called" to it or they don't believe they "have what it takes" to make it work. Logan was always pretty clear on N O, and Maddie has always been NO from the very beginning.

AND!!! Okay...I could not believe in this episode when Robyn of all people stepped up to the plate and actually said S E X outloud. I mean...Robyn....who made famous the whole "Purity" and veiled coded speech (anyone want a cookie??) about the evils of giving up that precious virginity through props (heart shaped jewelry or something) and bizarre doublespeak. She was hardly even involved in this episode yet we get to see her sit there and just speak the truth...many LDS teens just want to get married to actually just have S E X. >>GASP<<

Yes, they went to California (somewhere on the beach) for their Honeymoon after the big wedding in Utah. It was filmed as the Honeymoon Special and showed some real insight into the three wives left home to sit and get good and jealous. After watching that episode I can remember thinking that no wonder Christine had such a problem with jealously with Robyn because she got to see her husband being VERY googly-eyed with the new wife. Up to that point all the PDA was kept to a minimum (thanks to Meri's issues), but once the show hit the air...especially the hungry looks between Kody/Robyn in that episode (enjoying his "Divine" Honeymoon!?) I can understand the intense jealously from the others. Even Janelle...laid back no feeling Janelle wouldn't pick up the phone and take a call from LoverBoy for three days. As for the second Honeymoon...that was NEVER discussed on the show. It was only leaked with a twitter post or someone spotted Kody and Robyn traveling. I remember that the Catfish talked about how Kody and Robyn were in Hawaii and the film crew was with them. I think this was bull because obviously there was never anything on the show or even any mention about them going on yet another extended trip by themselves. It's funny how Robyn gets more than a week at a time vacations, Meri gets Mexico, yet Janelle gets an overnight in a tent and Christine gets two therapists in Texas. Actions speak louder than words!!

My take on Tony is pretty simple. He isn't the brightest bulb on the string. The "home equity" suggestion...I watched it twice and I honestly have a different thought. It reminded me of when your kids are about 4 or 5 and they really don't have a good grasp on the concept of money. You try to explain to them that you just don't have the money right now to spend on something frivolous and they give you that "look" and say...""OH!! Mummy...you just go to that machine and punch the buttons and it gives you LOTS of money!!"" The clueless dumb ass look on his face when he said that if Kody wants to hold off on their wedding is about money well that's an easy fix. You can just go into a bank and take out a loan against your house. I mean... I don't think he has a clear mature understanding of money or anything close to an adult understanding of life. Between Dopey Tony and Ditsy Mykelti...well....they both have a whole lot of growing up to do. A real tell is the couple that own the Pawn shop who have now been called her "Utah parents" and her own Mother didn't have a clue that she was serious about this guy. Sorry, but that means that they aren't that tuned into her at all. I thought it was also a small tell when they were insisting the wedding had to be in the summer, outside, with everything GREEN (just like someone elses wedding...) and so THAT is why the wedding has to be N O W. Christine brought up having the wedding in her backyard and Mykelti shot her a "look" and said ""No...I'm not having it in YOUR backyard"" We have only gotten bits and pieces about the whole thing when Christine told Mykelti she wasn't allowed to come back home. Yet they are now saying THEY sent her to Utah for a few months before she was supposed to come back home and return to college (but...but...college is really really H A R D) I really felt for Mykelti when she was telling how Christine was so giddy and happy for Maddie...yet Christine was less than thrilled and obviously trying to hold back because she had a camera on her face when Mykelti brought up marriage. She had a clear expectation in her head of Joy and Happiness from her mother. Joy bestowed upon her, not her half sister, when she announces that she too has found Mr Eternal Wonderful. She didn't get joy, but poorly hidden horror. Kids remember that shit. When she says that Dopey Tony is going to protect her and never ever hurt her...oh my...that shows her clear immaturity. Her and Maddie have only 6 or 7 months in age between them...but leaps and bounds in maturity (and I don't think maddie is necessarily ready to jump in with marriage and motherhood either) other thoughts....using the word negotiation to talk about the marriage is just way too creepy. It makes it sound like he is selling off his daughters and wants to get the contract wording right. And Tony....he just completely creeps me out. Every photo of him and Mykelti looks like they found something on Pintrest and they are just trying (poorly) to recreate something they think looks romantic. There is clear chemistry between Caleb and Maddie that shows on camera. There is nothing...zip...between Mykelti and Dopey Tony. They can say all the love words, they can physically put their arms around each other, but there is no chemistry between them.

.....um....isn't that what "sister wives" are supposed to do? Help raise ALL the children as their own? Huh...funny how the original three support the principle yet the late-come-along gets a "Nanny" for her children.

...um...I remember these words from Janelle a couple of years ago, especially mentioning having to use her hands to get to a standing position. Years ago as in before she DID get a personal trainer and she DID go to the gym. This makes it all sound like the time that was actually caught on film and shown on national television that Janelle was working hard working out, smashing her dreaded bathroom scale and everyone could see for themselves that she was losing weight. This quote makes it sound like that time never happened. Once again the Browns rewrite history!! And history from the actual show itself. Wow....

I really think that Kody's cranky ass attitude for this entire season is a big big tell that he HAS listened to voicemails and read the texts and info online from Meri's friendly interlude. Just as Meri's sullen and angry attitude last season was her tell about some deep issues going on with her. Lying Liars who Lie.

Has anyone noticed a parallel with the oldest kids? Logan--Janelle's oldest. Spent his entire life being a step father/big brother role and now that he is on his own in college is in a relationship but obviously not in a hurry to rush things. Aspyn--Christine's oldest. Spent her life as a surrogate mother, even being too mothering to Mykelti when they were roomies. She seems to be enjoying the college life and isn't in a relationship that anyone seems to know about. Mariah--Meri's oldest. For all the snark she is still in school and not running away to be a sister wife in a commune. Dayton--Robyn's oldest. showing himself to be a mature, level headed young man who wants to live and not settle down into marriage. Yet...the second born for each of them. Robyn's Aurora has clear attention issues and they have been noticeable on camera from day one. Christine's Mykelti is her "wild child" as she has called her. Janelle's Madison is a seeming level headed young woman, she has been out spoken since the beginning, but even Janelle has alluded to her fears that Maddie will toss it all in "for a boy". Which she kinda has done. The siblings that have been forced into parental roles (even Mariah because many times it feels like Mariah was treated as an equal friend for Meri vs. a daughter) have no interest in being parents in their now adult lives..they have had their fill with that role.

Wow...that's some boobiledge showing for a "modest is hottest" Brown girl. Years ago I attended the wedding of a very good friend of my husband's. His lovely bride must not have bent over in her wedding gown in front of a mirror because when they made their way around to the tables during dinner to greet their guests she instantly became the front and center for every man at the table. If you had the right seat you could see everything... Girls....always bend over in your gown in front of a mirror before taking that dress home!!

I remember reading about her leaving, and for several years if I remember correctly, only coming "back" when her inheritance was put up for the Lehi Plyg house. But the Janelle that I have seen on the television show has not fit with this person who walked out in defiance to 'the family'. However one of the first lies they ever told was in their first episode in the first season when they stated that "we have always raised our kids together as siblings", giving the impression that they had always lived in the same house with each other when they were only as one family in the plyg house for 4-5 years before the great escape.

When it comes to Janelle's "smarts" I think with her she has paper smarts. She is very obviously not a leader, but a person who's comfort place is being told what to do so that she doesn't have to think anything out for herself. She is the consummate office drone who is perfectly happy to push papers, file, add stacks of numbers and sort things into neat and tidy rows. Back when they were doing the paperwork for their mortgages all of her paperwork was done, and she even had things lined up before because she knew she would need them. Everything was done properly and on time because that is what she can do. When it comes down to people smarts, understanding yourself and your emotions and the world around you...Janelle doesn't have a clue. She has mentioned in the past that she loves the giant chaotic family...well...it's easy to just be a wallflower in a family like that, you are there, you have a place, but you really don't have a lot of expectations. She was happy to be an office drone for a paycheck and make babies because that is what her religion tells her what to do, and someone else was there to step in as a nurturing and loving mother. Her children are grown adults and she is JUST NOW realizing that she has REAL FEELINGS for them when they are gone!? Sorry...she just doesn't have a clue about anyone's emotions because she is clueless about her own. I'm sure she learned with her time with Meri (and Kody not having a clue how to manage his harem) that it's easier to put up and shut up than it is to try to fight it out with overbearing Meri and being a very passive person. Even Kody has said that his relationship with Janelle is one of a "buddy", she and him talk "family shop" and finances. Her house has his favorite boys (or at least it did...) and she never put any kind of emotional strain on him and had no expectations in any way. ...however it is very difficult to listen to her sing the praises of Kody, and wow....she is downright obnoxious in her cult like adoration in any thing that man does. Like mentioned upthread...she didn't drink the Kool-Aid, she has an IV drip...

If I remember correctly Kody's father also didn't want Janelle to marry Kody, but he wanted her to marry one of his brothers. I don't think it was ever mentioned which brother (how many did he have?). I can't remember if it was mentioned on the show or in that disjointed thing they called a book. But I do agree with what others mentioned above that Kody was most likely attracted to polygamy due to his need to be the center of attention. His bullshit soundbite about "Love should be multiplied" is such an inside joke. Love FOR him is multiplied with lots of women and children....Love FROM him is divided into nothingness. What we see as obnoxious over the top behavior could easily be seen as charismatic and charming, especially in the eyes of wallflower type personalities like Meri and Janelle.