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Yes, this is what I think Janelle's "Strive" business is for. Just enough nonsensical stuff to have some tax deductions for her home "business"

Christine doesn't question Kody because she is programmed not to. Kody is the King of the house, what he says goes and even a lowly woman fasting and praying for three days does not override the wants and needs of the King. Who can forget "You love the family and I will love you" when Kody took Christine to Galveston to fake "therapy" to show her she is the problem within their marriage and she needs to fix herself to be accepted. I forgot about his snarky comment to Christine about the wives trip to Seattle in my original post. "I'm going to get a lot of things done because I won't have to have these conversations with my wives" Well. If you don't like these conversations big boy...then don't have so many damn wives. Huh. Yes. The timing...a big bell went off in my head when I was watching it. Because of their social media posts we are aware of real time by the time the show airs. Either Dayton was set in stone in the Spring of 2018 to go to Flagstaff ORRRR he had already applied to several colleges and it was hanging as to which one he would accept. Which puts a big fire under Robyn (cause all those things are always stressin her out) to send in the paperwork to finalize enrollment. Sadly I don't remember the cut off date with my daughters paperwork. She was very good at staying on top of the dates things were due. She began looking at universities in the Spring of her Sophomore year of high school. By the Spring of her Junior year she had things narrowed down and put her applications. By Christmas of her Senior year she made up her mind and put in final enrollment information in the Winter(I'm thinking Feb/March-ish) of her Senior year. By the time she graduated in May things were set in stone for that following Fall. And Kody is complaining that they have trust issues within the family!!?? Why is that Kody!!??

Well. I think it's pretty official. Kody is having a mid life crisis. His obsession with his age when Ari will be graduating high school/going to college/marrying is just so over the top. Kody has been very clear in the past that he isn't responsible for the emotional well being of his wives and he has proven it with actions over and over. I think that also includes his kids. He is so obsessed with his Moses like role of leading all Polygamists to freedom in the promised land that he can't see that he is leaving the emotional health and well being of his wives and children in the wake of his selfishness. I think their frequent moving is asinine. Although someone upthread put down their bizarre number of moves over the course of the marriage, I think there is more. Silly me went back and typed as they talked just to add it all up. Holy Cow!! What on earth made them move so damn often!! I can really understand why the kids took such a hit moving to Vegas because I have a feeling the parents told them that the Lehi house was it....Lehi was their promise land and they probably lived there the longest except now for Vegas (adding both the time in the rentals and cult d sac) It reads like that end scene in the movie "Clue" when they are counting how many bullets were fired from the gun... Meri/Kody first married and lived in Utah(1) and then moved to Montana(2) and then moved to Wyoming(3). Janelle enters the family while living in WY(3) and then Christine enters the family while living in WY(3). Then they moved back to Utah(4) right after Mariah was born. Then they all moved three times within Utah(5,6,7) within 3 years, and then moved back to Wyoming(8) and then back to Utah(9) and had two moves within Utah (10,11). I'm guessing that #11 was the Lehi house because then they moved to the Vegas rentals(12) and then the cult d sac(13). That's the number at the time of filming, but we know they have all moved to Flagstaff now(14). WTF!!?? Add to this that we know from their book (tho isn't never been discussed on the show that I can remember) that Janelle left and moved to her own place for a time. In a talking head Janelle talked about how all of their moves has taken a toll on her, and she was usually the wife who dug her feet in the most and "even stayed behind" and she believes that it may have affected her marriage in some way. So there may be one extra move that was Janelle's extra move in that #14 number. Gee Janelle, tell me again how great polygamy is if it isn't worth it for 5, no...10, naa....20 years!! So...add all that moving to the long list of shit that added to the current marital problems this group has. Like was mentioned upthread about moving doesn't erase issues, it just changes location (something I've seen first hand with my husband's dysfunctional family). WHAT is this family (I think especially Kody) running from?? I think he has issues that he just can't stay in one place and live a stable life and thanks to his need to move on a whim and Robyn's helicopter parenting (YES! Robyn! you are a helicopter parent!) they cooked this up behind closed doors and everyone else just gets to suck it up buttercup. The King and Queen have spoken. I know it's in another thread, but the subject qualifies here as well since the whole Kody moving is engineered by Robyn. I can't remember which thread was posted a blog post that Robyn wrote about her discovery and struggle with Dayton's Asperger diagnosis. While back then, in the beginning of discovering her son needed specific attention she put her energy into learning and becoming the mother he needed. However. That learned behavior has obviously become her mothering style and now she is very clearly a helicopter mother. In the talking head she states that her children are being exposed to things that she doesn't want them exposed to in Vegas. Yet Christine and Janelle (who live next door with children the same ages) declare that their children are thriving in Vegas. Hhm. That's two very different opinions about Vegas. I get if you are a Country Mouse and living in the city is unsettling (coming from a long life as said Country Mouse...) but that is very different from needing to make three grown women and a good handful of "thriving" children pick up and move because you need to be hovering over your children. AND...I will state my very low opinion of how obvious it is that Kody favors Solomon and Ari over any other child of his. He could not even be bothered to listen to Christine tell him (let alone write it down or something...) Truely's needs because he was far to busy with his texting conversation. While Christine just stands and obediently waits until he can toss an Attention Crumb her way. ""Oh...Paedon can do that!!?? Good...that's all I need to know because I'll just be back and forth because I have to help Sol (who has a live in caregiver) get ready for school. "" You know damn well he never set foot in Christine's house and left it to the older kids. YET. He gets Ari to eat better than Robyn, he knows Sol's and Ari's schedule and likes and needs on and on. Hhmmm. How many kids does he have? Two. Two that matter to him. I watched that again and paused it. I think her hand "just being there" was both a reaction to the fact that her hand was touching Meri and she was fired up against Kody after the "presentaton". On Meri's other side, Christine had a death grip on Meri's arm.

I watched the episode this morning with Kodys "weird presentation" and thought exactly that. Robyn's silence and then her emotionless statement that "families move like this all the time" and Janelle firing back at her "YES!! For WORK!!". Yup. Robyn and Kody cooked it up behind closed doors. Then she slips in about how "Dayton is going to college and he needs family (me) close for a coupla years for him to settle and we have to know where to apply and he needs to apply to college and this is all stressin me out" Huh. He started college in Flagstaff at the end of August 2018. Huh.

Robyn posted on Instagram about Dayton starting uni right when they were posting moving stuff and going public about the move. Yes. She posted on Aug 29, 2018 about Dayton's first day at uni. While she never said what college/uni he was going to, and with a scan of the comments she never answered any questions either, it has been assumed that Dayton is attending in Flagstaff or very near by because she said he was starting, and not being taken to live anywhere. SO for an official moving timeline...someone had to be talking about it long before August of 2018 because you don't get into a university with a month's notice.

Robyn wanted Meri at the legal Kody/Robyn wedding because of Meri's "sacrifice" as a way of including her, but Kody was loud and clear against anyone even knowing the date of it happening. Honestly it was one of the first times that I agreed with him. He stated that his anniversary with Robyn was their original sealing and he didn't want her getting two anniversaries while everyone else got one. However...he said that on camera and all, and then he and Robyn quietly (off camera) went skipping off on another 10 honeymoon to the beaches of Hawaii. My inner accountant has always wondered this scenario.... this is from my own head and I have zero on show or off show info to back this up. However. Meri and Kody would file taxes together with one daughter. Mariah is off to uni and that's now zero children. Then there is Robyn right next door with four or five (I can't remember exactly how many at the time of the divorce) children under the age of 18 and a business. Kody marries Robyn and takes on all her children as dependents and is aligned with her business through marriage to set things up for a some time in a future bankruptcy that covers Robyn's house (he was quickly added on the deed to her house according to online savvies) and business. Since all the wives have declared the big B in the past, but not Robyn, it made the most sense to me. Nothing to back it up past the fact that the Browns to have a tendency for creative financial juggling.

Yes, I think it was re-enacted...however I think that emotion from Meri is real. She uses her hair for "privacy" on camera. VERY often she places herself so that she is sideways from the camera and a turn of the head puts her face out of easy view. It's an easy mostly subtle masking. I think this shows that even re-enacted months later, her emotion is strong and can't be hidden even during a fake set up.

OH! Also when seeing these, you have to keep in mind the fact that the REAL divorce happened under the radar and was hush hush. Only after the information was outed during that season that was currently showing at the time the production company tweeted a picture of their "all night editing session" as they scrambled to put this at the end of the season as if it had just happened, when it was actually tagged on at the last minute, so this lawyer office visit was more than a little likely a re-enactment and Meri was obviously shook to her toes, while Robyn sits with (what looks like to me) a Cheshire Cat smile on her face.

Oh yes! Who can remember when Meri and Kody were walking out of the house to go to the lawyers office for the whole signing and Meri had a dizzy spell and caught herself with the wall. Kody standing there like a dolt not offering ANY kind of sympathy let alone an arm to steady her. Way back when, during a different conversation about this day I capped some screen caps of the signing... Body language says it all.

That's right!! The Kiss!! On the couch they have Christine saying how the only time an incoming wife should kiss is over the altar, yet Kody and Robyn were very comfortable in each other's presence long before the wedding vows were made. I don't believe they went "all the way" to use the old fashioned phrase, but they were very comfortable with each other. The look on Kody's face on the Honeymoon was all you needed to know about his "divine connection" with his newest wife. And yes...I truly thought his horn doggedness was chalked up to new, fresh, exciting. Honestly there are just so many layers to their story. Thanks to many, MANY online sleuths and tid bits dug up we have been privy to more than what they state on the camera. So if someone is coming into viewing JUST on camera in the past few seasons there is SO much that you have missed. I've been online from the beginning and just the year before their show first aired I had a spark interest in the Mormon religion and their history as a whole. Since I have an odd trait (curse) of high retention this stuff just sticks like glue and due to circumstances in my own life I guess I fell down the (distractionary) rabbit hole of polygamy in general and then stumbled upon Sister Wives from the beginning on telly as well as online. Goodness, that was 10 years ago now....oh my...what a truly strange journey it has been. ...so....so....SO many of us wish we could "unsee" the purity speech, consider yourself lucky Irate Panda!

Hmm. It's a big subject actually...but I'll try to condense (I'm not good at condensing tho...) In the first seasons (before the book came out) we were shown a family living in one house with three apartments doing their best with kinda an "all for one, one for all" mantra. They show the rundown of their structure and then quietly introduce Robyn to the scene. However, those three wives have been together for a long time and all the kids are very accustomed to the three mom life since all the wives were together from the birth of the first born (Logan). Then this really big wrench is thrown in. A new very younger mom with three kids of her own that had been raised in a very different way from the family as a whole. So yes, the general public easily formed an opinion that Robyn was the proverbial "home wrecker". Jump a bit to the fact that Robyn gets a LOT of one on one attention from Kody since he had to travel so far away to court her and it left the wives (and I'm sure trickle down to the kids) bitter that Robyn gets special treatment. Kody didn't just date her but spent weekends away from his family where his time with his own kids is spread pretty thin as it is. After the wedding Robyn gets a big 10 day honeymoon where the other wives only had random car trips for one night or maybe two or so (we only learned this through their published book). Just watching the show, and especially watching Kody and his obvious physical attraction (...i.e. horn dog lust) written all over his face during the Honeymoon episode the viewers get a clear impression that Kody is hot and heavy for the new young wife while the other wives stewed at home. Even stoic Janelle admitted to being so pissed at Kody that she refused to take his calls when he called home. So Robyn entered the scene with quite a few marks against her. Then...she seemed to take front and center "explaining" everything constantly to the viewers and its really irritating on this side, I have no idea what it felt like as one of the established wives. Any time any kind of general polygamy/family type question came up Robyn was front and center to explain it all. But. She was actually NEW to sister wives because she grew up in the "lifestyle" so to speak, but was new to actually living it. Looking back, I think she had the romanticised utopia plotted out based on church teachings (indoctrination) of how polygamist lifestyles should be lived, but not actuality by any means. Robyn was always inserting her perfection of how it should be on camera, yet we the viewers could see that the family wasn't living this fairy tale picture. The other wives had the real life experience and Robyn blab blab blab about everything, even tho she was completely new to it. Add to all of this, the specifics of her divorce. Deep sigh. On screen she painted a picture of herself as a abused wife fleeing from a bad marriage. In all these years her ex has NEVER put himself out either online or in the media in any way shape or form with his side of the story. However, thanks to savvy online people looking up public documents we learned that HE filed for divorce. We learned that there was a statement within the papers that she is not allowed to consume alcohol in the presence of her children (hmmm. why?) and that she took on debt to "keep the peace" she stated on camera. Part of that debt was a very large credit card bill to Victoria Secret, like thousands of dollars. So. She talks about being so poor that "we didn't have any heat" but she is shopping on credit at Victoria Secret, so yes the judgement is strong from the online community. However, if you listen carefully..."we didn't have heat" truly meant we didn't have central heating, we had a wood stove. Which is a viable heat source for a LOT of people living a rural life, and it's a very good and cheap heat source depending on where you live. It is NOT "no heat". So yea...she gets a lot of negativity because she is clearly spinning a "woa is me" type of scenario when there was more to the story. And then the purity speech. Oh my....the purity speech. THAT one really cemented her in a very negative light. Essentially during one of their home church days, Robyn gets up in front of ALL the kids, even the little ones, and her little ones too. She holds this large heart shaped trinket looking thing and metaphorically tells this bizarre story of "a girl" which is obviously herself, who "had her purity taken by a boy who begged for it". And how once "the boy" had her purity he didn't respect it, but threw it away and broke it (add drama of her throwing the trinket box to the floor), because he didn't respect it. It was hard to watch because we all knew damn well that she was basically saying that her ex-husband coerced her to have sex which resulted in her getting pregnant with her first born son outside of marriage. Then she says blah blah about picking up her broken purity and being able to give it to the man who deserved it and who would respect it. So she magickally restored her virginity (after three children) to give her REAL virginity to Kody because "he should have had it in the first place". Yea...isn't that a great thing to tell your kids!!?? Hey guys...your daddy is an evil manipulating virginity stealing bastard and you need to forget him (but you guys still visit him and love him and stuff) and Kody is the real man who really should be your daddy and all. And yea...even before she married Kody she was prompting her kids to call Kody "daddy" on camera... There are lots of little things over time. The artist picture was another big standout where she took a photo of her three kids when they were little being held by their real father and she physically cut out the portion of their father and gave it to a portrait artist. Then she gave older photos of Kody (photos of Kody with his kids with other wives no doubt...) and had the artist draw Kody in their real fathers place to make it look like a younger Kody was actually their father. Creepy as all get out. I mean super creepy. She won NO awards with viewers at all with that one!! The Meri/Kody/Robyn legal divorce is another sketchy thing. In the actual timeline of the catfish, the legal divorce with Meri and Kody was before the catfish got going in twitter, so when people say that Meri instigated the divorce to run away with the catfish are not true. The main reason that Meri was so vulnerable to being pulled in by the catfish was she was alone with Mariah off to uni and then gave up her legal marriage either willingly or forced (honestly we can only speculate because the Browns kept it hush hush and under the radar before being discovered by online peoples). Through public records we know the dates of Meri's divorce and Robyn marriage but this is really it. They gave a "spin" on camera...but that's just it, it was a spin. That divorce really shook Meri's world and then about 6 months later the whole catfish thing got rolling. The whole adoption story line was picked apart and I'm on the side that it was hooey and staged. Reading what legal people had to say about how difficult it is to just sign a paper and sign your parental rights away for your kids...fishy at best. The specifics were so shady and the fact that moments after Kody supposedly legally adopted her children to save them from this evil abusive virginity stealing bastard...they all packed the car and went to visit with him for 2 weeks!!?? The man that had zero....ZERO legal ties to them. Hmmm. So...that's a bit of the old stuff (lolol) From my perspective I think Robyn is the most online savvy of all of them. She even stated her online nickname on camera of "Sobbin' Robyn" which lets people know that she had read on here most likely and the other blogs that have been around for a long time. For a very long time she was the front man, and her kids were front and center, but somewhere along the way she very obviously pulled back. It's rare to see her kids and she is very subdued, even checked out on camera. In my opinion being on telly hasn't done her any favors. Either she is perfecting a poker face or she is honestly haggard from this "utopia perfect divine" lifestyle...who knows. I certainly hope their Celestial Kingdom is worth all the bullshit they are doing in this lifetime.

According to what they featured on the show Dayton did have surgery to fix his droopy eyelid. Robyn's kids used to be front and center but then seemed to fade to the back and you only see them when the whole family is together. While his eyelid seemed fine for awhile, recently it looks as though it is drooping again. They have never gone into specifics about the accident until he had the surgery on his eye and when they were traveling somewhere and the opportunity to ride an ATV came up.

Mykelti: I did it My Way until Tony told me not to

So many others have already stated things I am thinking but I do think it's a little more clear why Janelle is always so stressed and so exhausted in her "Strive" postings. Working up to her new level of excitement at every little crumb must be VERY stressful and VERY exhausting!!

Well, in theory Janelle has her beloved sister wives who will be more than happy to take in her two younger children while she hops on a plane to help Maddie with a new little one.

I remember seeing the original photo when it was posted and it wasn't so grainy and "blown up" looking. If you look on the show at the lay out of Meri's house and that couch of hers with the thick dark trim along the back, that's the couch under the arm. If it isn't Meri's arm, it's someone who did it in Meri's house.

...yea. The numbers fascinate me as well. Channeling my inner accountant. I don't think for one minute that Meri is putting her Lulano money into the family pot. I am VERY glad that they had the talking head of Robyn calmly stating that all profits from her business are put into the communal pot. She made sure everyone knew that and yet still let those crickets play in the background because....because....because Meri's money isn't. NO ONE at that table countered Meri's Me Me Me fest with "hey Meri...why would we be worried about getting a profits share with the B&B?? Um. Cause you don't share a dime of your Lulano" Funny how Meri goes on social media to swear over and over that the show is "just storylines" and "she isn't going anywhere and is a part of the family" yet we can all see that she is in it for herself. She clearly stated that she wasn't going to have any "meetings" on how to run >>her<< businesses. She deflects every real question that she needs to be answering worse than a teenager trying to get away with something by telling a little truth. Then when they push because they all want real answers...she cries "whoa is me" oh. AND what on Earth is a business of "taking manufactured merchandise to distributors" Huh!!?? Is Kody opening the newest branch of the Michael Scott Paper Company!!??

""Janelle Brown and her Struggle to find the next Rock Star""

Yea...I have the same misgivings about Christine. I would love to hear more of her justifications about that. My son wanted to move out the second he got his first part time job, but he saw close friends struggle to cover rent and food etc with their jobs and so he stayed home and saved money instead. Once he moved up to full time and overtime at work he did find what he thought would be a good match to move in together. In conversations we talked about how you can think you know someone but you learn you don't know them until you live with them. He stuck out that full year because he signed a lease, but he had to move home after. For anything to detox from what became a crazy roommate nightmare. He was ready to move out again as soon as he found a better roomie, and he chose more wisely this time. I can't imagine saying no to my child at any point in their lives. My daughter is in the last semester of university and itching to be on her own. Home will always be their safe place to come to when it gets nuts out there, no matter their age.

She has an open Instagram account and should be very careful doing these things. My husband and my son both have rules in their companies that spell out that they can not in any way post anything about their companies. Even if they don't name them...doesn't matter. Posting a photo and stating they are "at work" would be dismissal. My husband can't post anything that remotely has any logo of his company, so no selfie of him in a work uniform etc. I once posted a casual photo of my dog and you could just make out his trucks logo in the background and he was paranoid so I took it down and edited it before reposting. Even if her bank branch is a small one, they are owned by someone much bigger and there are people employed to just sit and scan for this kind of thing. It's a very stupid and immature thing to do. Judging by what she posted she is quite a distraction to other employees. She may have gone all those years ago to St. George to "grow up" but sadly I don't think she has one bit. It's funny that the discussion of Mykelti moving to Utah came up. I have been working in my son's old room getting it fixed up and painted and I can only do things slowly so it's taking awhile. My husband bought a television for us (haven't bought one in more than 18 years) and he set it up with all my streaming options in one place. I put on this season of sister wives to play in the backgound to listen to and so its all fresh in my head when it came up on here. lol

From what they said on the show Mykelti left school (UNLV) because "school is hard". Piecing it all together from different couch talks it seems that Christine said a hi ho hell no when Mykelti wanted to move back home. It went something like..."if it was just a pause that would have been fine, but not a move back for good to do nothing (meaning no school)" Mykelti wanted to move by herself to Seattle and Kody said hi ho hell no because he didn't have the money to move her there and Mykelti wouldn't have the money to move back. It seemed like she wanted to "get out and grow up" or something because they referenced her living with Aspyn and Apsyn stated along the lines of she was too mothering to Mykelti. SO. The big decision was for her to work for the LDS friend of Kody's who owned the Pawn shop in St. George (and live in an apartment he also owns) and be on her own for 6 months then they all expected her to just magickally grow up and come home and go to school like a good girl. Instead Mykelti hooked up with the local LDS kids and met Tony and that is that. Married. Crazy Ass wedding and Tacos. Who will ever forget the Tacos!! When I see Mykelti use the title "Banker" to describe her job...all that pops into my head is "I do not think it means what you think it means..."

I live in Western Pennsylvania where we have 100 sunny days a year(sometimes less). Overcast and "partly cloudy" is the norm here. Many years ago I recognized I had issues with SAD for most of my life. As a professional Baker, October thru December were the busiest time for me and so I didn't notice issues because I was always just too distracted with Holiday baking. However on the other end, January through March I have always had issues. Long before daylight bulbs were the norm I bought a daylight spectrum crafting light and started using that as my desk light and noticed that I was getting through the winter better than before. Recently I have replaced my kitchen lights with daylight spectrum lighting as well as living spaces etc and for the past two winters I haven't had any issues so in my mind that's success. Nothing scientific... I've been dealing with this for years...and I can say with my experience that it doesn't happen overnight. It's a gradual process. If you have a headache and take an ibuprofen you feel a result pretty quickly. If you feel sluggish and sit in front of a light for an hour...I honestly can't imagine having some miraculous recovery...but it's Janelle we are talking about here. She discovers a "rock star" miracle cure every day!!

They are all standing in front of carved statues. You can see the Bears in the background and in the lower left corner. I'm thinking the black that you see as pants is part of a statue that they are leaning on. Looks like Mykelti's boot right there in the middle. This photo really shows how very different Mykelti looks from her siblings. They all have Christine's oval face features yet Mykelti has Kody's beady eyes and is very round. I guess the dark hair is to "stand out in the crowd"...but honestly she looks so different that she doesn't need to.

OMG!!!! lolololololzzzzzzz

I think that is Christine's house, so Christine's tree. It's the same carpet in the photo one of her daughters posted with a new puppy. A weird fuzzy brown carpet.