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I can understand that, but it still boggles. Unknown stranger in a mask in your house with your wife home alone, and then suddenly the cameras are dead. I'd be calling 911 once I knew it wasn't the only other person with access to the house.

I could not figure that out what he was thinking! If it had turned out the father was involved in the murder and setting up his son, I would not have been surprised. A lot of things didn't make sense. The police originally thought the murderer must have targeted her because there were so many stab wounds, plus the elaborate scene with her hands and feet bound, in the bathtub. They said that wasn't something a random burglar would do - most would just run and be quick about it. But they were willing to toss that theory because they believed a burglar suddenly escalated to a vicious and intense murder? The son said he went to the bathroom after he heard the water running. How long was that water running? I don't think I heard anyone say anything about there being water overflowing the tub onto the floor. On the 911 call, he didn't mention water on the floor, and I would have expected if the bathtub flooded, it would have been a big mess and he would have brought it up. If there was no water on the floor, why not if the faucet was still running? I was more inclined to believe the son killed his mother, but then there was that DNA. This was unsatisfying because there was a lot that wasn't explained or didn't quite fit together.

I liked the episode, too, overall. Hanna made a major mistake when she failed to tell her patient that she could take Plan B right away to prevent a pregnancy if she wanted to, and that she had up to 3 days to decide. How did the writers miss the morning after pill?! I'm frustrated and confused by Maggie. I have always liked Maggie, but her story lines have been strange lately. I grew to like her and Vanessa, together, but Maggie was just super weird with her in the beginning. It's like they've regressed her social skills the last few seasons. Now, she's frequently awkward and secretive with people, and seems on edge all the time. I understand why she doesn't want to tell Ben about the accident, but it's not the right decision. Maybe she will change her mind. But first, she needs to know her mind, so I hope she figures it out soon. I like the new doc.

Just the taxes alone are enough to charge her if they are fraudulent. We all sign those under the part where it says we can be prosecuted "under the penalty of the law" for false statements.

Megan: "I can literally see my own breath" Thermostat reading: 74°F I feel SEEN!!

For me, it's a different reaction because I never warmed to Maya. She always annoyed me. But it's also because Jack left his job for a few months for his spiral. Maya is right there being mean to everyone. And she tried to blackmail her boss. And tried to justify the blackmail when she was called out on it.

Since Trudy loved it, I think he's keeping it!

When Winston told her she was his passion, she told him she didn't think she could respect that. That conversation was really brutal. I felt terrible for Winston. Maggie is a cold, cold woman. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the beginning of the end for them. Maggie is who she is and isn't going to become a warmer person who prioritizes Winston and her marriage higher than she does. That leaves Winston in a cold marriage where he knows he will always be an afterthought for her. Why would he want to live like that?

Almost everybody lived in that house at one time or another. Including Ghost Denny! 😄

From the way his fall looked, he might have endangered future mini Vishals and Richas too!

It was Dr. Blake, the woman transplant doctor that Crockett worked for and dated. The rehab she went into wasn't drug rehab, but some kind of physical rehab after the surgery that saved her life but left her without feeling in her hands. That's when she broke up with him and left for Boston.

I think the problem viewers have in seeing them as victims is this particular documentary isn't showing or telling much about how they were victimized by this program, and by Keith and Nancy, as well as Mark, Sarah, Lauren, Allison, India and the rest that were at the top of the food chain. The documentary is not in any way making it clear how people were victimized from the start, and progressively victimized more and more the longer they were in. The fact they won't even discuss the cost of the classes, and how much Keith, Nancy, Mark and Sarah made, nor how they broke them down mentally and emotionally through abuse in the classes and outside the classes makes it harder to understand them as victims. Instead, they have Nancy on pretending she knew nothing about anything and this was just a legitimate business that didn't prey on people through manipulation, hypnosis and blackmail.

Right? If I had all that extra money, I'd be using it for a good therapist and a great vacation each year, things that would actually help me be healthier. I guess they were lured by self-improvement at a time in their lives when they felt stuck or vulnerable. It's a program that tells them to check their critical thinking and logical beliefs at the door, so if they actually do that, they are already predisposed to accepting the pitch. They were told the program would make them successful at whatever they wanted in life, and they were the ones standing in their own way from that success. At some point, I imagine groupthink takes over. Plus the sunk-cost fallacy where they've already put so much money into it, they might as well put in more to reach that elusive goal because they're "progressing." Then there's the collateral. They used collateral from the early stages, though they weren't all as intense and creepy as what they wanted for DOS.

Bronfman underwrote a lot of it, including the nearly $70M Keith lost in commodities trading in a period of 2-3 years. As for the rest, it was a pyramid scheme. People paid for the week long intensive intro class, and then kept paying and paying and paying for more modules. As soon as they finished one class, they were told they needed another. They also recruited people to take classes, and received commissions from the payments that the people they recruited pay for their modules. The more people they recruited, the more money they made. Mark recruited India, for example, so he was getting commissions on everything she paid for, and everything HER recruits paid for. Same with Sarah. Sarah even opened up a center, and she was getting commissions on all those people taking classes at her center, plus commissions from their recruits and their recruits. Like all pyramid schemes, only people at the top made big bucks, like Keith, Nancy, Mark and Sarah.

Keith impregnated more than a few women and ordered them to have abortions. Pam Caffritz was the one who organized all of the abortions for the women. I think he only had two kids - one with a woman who ran away with her child, and the one with one of the three Mexican sisters he groomed and had sex with, one of whom was locked in that room for 2 years and also had to have an abortion. This show is absolutely terrible with timelines, meaning it's impossible to tell when anything in particular that they are showing was happening. It's like it was deliberate so we can't tell what's what.

I'm hoping they find a useful detective niche for him to work. Like, maybe he can become their blood spatter analyst, or really good with research. Or maybe he becomes really good at witness interviews, because he comes off as harmless so witnesses trust him and are willing to tell him everything. I want him to excel at something to shut down his abusive, asshole dad.

Seriously? She said that about the people buying her rags on QVC? Wow. She's not very bright, is she?

I remember thinking it didn't really sound like a suicide note when they read part of it out loud. Could it have been part of the last chapter of his book? With clues on where to find the rest? Did he mail pages from the book to all the likely suspects/people he modeled his characters after? And if the book has Susan's life story in it, does that make it easier for her to guess who the book killer is? Maybe that ghostwriter she said the publisher should contact could piece it together.

Don't go into the Annika thread unless you want to be spoiled for the final episode on the first page of the thread.

It was the same in the last episode where they wanted Frank to reopen an investigation on a police killing where the officer had already been tried and acquitted in court. They wanted to have it both ways, and failed at making any point and failed at even making any sense.

If that's the case, then I will stay out of this thread. Thanks.

May I ask that the people who quoted @krankydoodle's spoiler for the final episode to please delete it or put it under tags? I was frankly really annoyed to be spoiled on a major plot point from the last minute of the final episode right on the first page of this thread for a new series. Even though @krankydoodle put the spoiler under tags after the fact, it still shows up in people's quotes.

Yes, they should look for more bodies. and should go back many decades, as many decades as they've had control of "justice" there. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were unexplained deaths around this family going back years.

I'd argue all the laws seek to punish the woman if they prevent her from getting medical care she needs and wants. I didn't like that they used this medical situation for a Roe episode. While it's true there are women who need chemo and have to abort to get that chemo to save their own lives, the problem isn't that women who don't want to abort and choose not to get chemo are being prevented from making that choice. The problem is women who want to save their own lives by getting the chemo are being prevented from making that choice to abort under some state laws. So it felt like a backwards approach to the issue, maybe in an attempt to make others see things from a different perspective? I don't know. It fell flat for me as a vehicle for the main story.

And for the ones that do survive, often have to live with more drastic outcomes, like losing a Fallopian tube or ending up with an entire hysterectomy.