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There's a lot to this, and Twit could learn. Anecdotal, but I'd bet others could relate. I have an aunt who is, probably what would be considered morbidly obese. I'm in my 30's and she's been the relative size she is as long as I can remember. But what I think of when I think of her is her beauty, her poise, her smarts, the role she has played in my life. She is really similar in features to Delta Burke. I was a young adult before I realized she suffered due to her size, both medically and mentally/emotionally, as a young child, I could never imagine that about her, because she was a bold, beautiful, confident, loving, intelligent woman to me. She's still that to me, mind you, but I realize the struggles, both emotional and health-wise, her long-term obesity have brought to her. Whitney is really beautiful. Though over the top, she has a personality that can be winning and infectious, if she'd maybe reign in some of her conceited, snowflakeitis tendencies. We don't have to be convinced she's a warm, confident, beautiful person (though these attributes lend themselves toward more empathy and acceptance), she's solely trying to convince us she's fabulously happy in this state she's in, a state that is not her fault, by her account. Her hemming and hawing that's her gospel truth while living a clearly unhealthy lifestyle that doesn't try to limit her negative effects and squawking about what she can do, while display what she clearly can't to how hard it is to do so many things, are proof positive to us that her life isn't fabulous; it also shuts down and out people of all sizes that have body shame. Afterall, many of us don't have excessive weight, PCOS, etc as our issue, and she seems to flat-out invalidate those who don't share her specific mantra. Whitney's program is about WHITNEY, it isn't about ANYONE or ANY OTHER group, she needs to come clean with that or change her tune to be inclusive, instead of a selfish disgusting example of why many of us have so much self-hate. **I worded this horribly and can't seem to edit it to fit what I really want to convey, I apologize. Maybe I'm selfish for wanting Whitney's message to be more encompassing, maybe I'm just seeking comfort, but I also want to see a Whitney that matures, grows, and is honest, regardless of her size. I also want her to be in a state of greater mobility. Yes, I do mention in my posts how obese she'd be even in the high 100's or 200-something she mentions, but I don't mean to demean her, I intend to state realities. Can we please have some honesty in this show and if nothing else, admit 'No Body Shaming" is not her core message? Her core message is "ME ME ME! No matter what I do, how I treat people, accept MEEE!"**

This is something I've read to be true and seen as a theme on 600lb Life and it's something multiple commenters on various articles in People (online) brought up, wondering if it's a problem yet for her. I am sure it has to be a rather nagging issue to combat. Of course, look at how she behaved her first day on the job. Let's add potential smell from folds to that, especially after she'd been there several hours, and I could really see her trying to compensate for being overly self-conscious. Like I sense many are, both on this site and elsewhere across the Interwebs and in TVLandia, many people are just frustrated with her show and its quickly devolving nature. She is not only ruining herself, her god-awful personality is ruining her viewership. She better care about hate watchers, it's not a far cry to just move from hate watching to reading online recaps and waiting for her to go away entirely. She'd fare better, IMO, to endear more people to her and her cause. And her cause could and should embrace peoples of all sizes, backgrounds, and abilities.

She is medically, technically, supe obese, the classification after "morbidly obese", or, Class III obese with scales that stop at anything greater than 40 BMI, to Class V obesity, with some scales that further breakdown levels of obesity. She is over 60!!! BMI, I can't even fathom! And I'd dare say she's increased multiple percentage points since Season 1 which was what? ONE year to 18 months ago for filming? I don't say that to correct you, I appreciate that you are calling a spade a spade, but I say that to highlight how severe her current condition is. Twit should know well and good that even at 200-something pounds, she would be morbidly obese for her height. She would be comparably healthier, but it is not good to live your life that far overweight, it's just ridiculous to even consider it. I do understand she probably feels it would be impossible to get below 275, but if she wants a good life, and quality of life, especially as she ages, this sister needs to get real and stop living this self-professed fat fetish. Also, she has no technique when it comes to dance and even if she were 110lbs, couldn't dance her way out of a wet papersack. Yet another case where people catered to her delusions so much that she thinks she's an expert, elite, professional. I am starting to feel only irrational anger when I consume any type of media about her, she is beyond ridiculous. I hope she grows beyond her immature, self-entitled attitude and becomes a real woman, regardless the size she maintains. Tomorrow, I'm going to watch a marathon of "Angelina Ballerina", and afterward, declare myself a ballet expert. Or, for that matter, I attended a major and often more lauded university in her same state and took a ballet course for one of my PE credits. It kicked my ass and showed me I didn't know a damn thing about dance. Twit should just say she can point and semi-pose, if she doesn't collapse from the sheer exhaustion lifting one of her massive limbs to point causes her. http://www.newyorkbariatrics.com/body-mass-index/ http://www.obesitysurgerydallas.com/bmi.html

I am convinced she is easily 425-475 this season, the change in her size is not just noticeable, it's enormous and shocking. I think at her size, you have to put on more than "just 10lbs" to be able to see such a shocking change. TLC is lying in the shots this season of rotating scales.

People love a comeback story, there is so much truth in what you said. Whitney can have her show and get into a life that is truly fabulous.

This article from People gives a look at Whitney I've yet to see on the show, I find it really interesting. I've also read several other articles on her by People and the comments section by and large show that people are over her excuses of "condishuns". http://www.people.com/article/whitney-way-thore-my-big-fat-fabulous-life-season-3-sneak-peek

Thank you for sharing this too, it's an awful thing to hate yourself and feel fat (regardless your weight) and literally be at the point of tears because you're so miserable. Add in experiences like Whitney's and I would crumple. Like all of us here, one cannot condone that kind of behavior. I am sure the looks she may get in general are difficult to deal with and instead of shirking into a wallflower, perhaps she swings to the other end of the spectrum as a type of coping mechanism. I don't blame the world for my warped body image, but I'd probably find it pretty easy to if I have had people treating me the way Whitney sometimes probably is, I'm sure she's had some instances of non-staged incidents (assuming some of these have been at least somewhat prompted by TLC). No one deserves to hate the skin they live in, it can be really devastating and crippling. It will be so much worse for Whitney if she reaches a point of total immobility. I hope, if she reaches that point, TLC provides off-camera help to get her back on a healthier track. I don't want to watch a trainwreck, I initially tuned in for inspiration and because of the initial persona that came across in ads for her show. I'd LOVE to see this initial concept, or especially, a mantra of self-love regardless of body type, size, capabilities, etc., fully embraced by this show. Hell, maybe she can break off TLC bindings and go rogue on this endeavor, I bet some independent networks or even potentially web producers, would run with such a concept. No need to feel locked into the TLC box, network and see what happens!

Thank you for sharing that, I've really been struggling with self-love lately, all because I gained maybe 10-15lbs. 15lbs or slightly more less, and I get all kinds of remarks because I'm jaw-droppingly thin, yet at this weight, all because I basically can't see my ribs, I feel like a whale. Body image can be a devastating thing and I wish that were more Whitney's focus and message than this trainwreck it's become. I want Whitney to love herself, have a life that she can actually full enjoy to the utmost, with a range of activities, I certainly don't want to see her continue down the path she's on, we all know it isn't going to get better as/if she gets bigger.

Oh dear lord. Now I have to check it out. Thank you. :)

I don't want to veer off-topic, but state that I think so many of us can relate to this, all for various, but likely similar reasons. I think the principle message behind NBS is awesome, though I'd like to see it fully, openly embrace smaller sizes. I think there is a huge misconception that skinny to average people don't have a right to feel embarrassed about their size but the truth is there are many of us that suffer from disordered eating, body dysmorphic disorder, and hate the skin we live in (I am this way when I'm not so thin it's shocking, I've put on about 15lbs and though still in a healthy weight range and probably don't look like a land whale, I sure FEEL like it). All of that being disclosed, if Whitney is really proud of herself (and I don't think she should be ashamed), I'd love to see more of that come through than these overly narcissistic behavior, entitlement attitudes, and tendency to bully/bulldoze her way through life. I'd like to see someone embracing that lifestyle/attitude that doesn't make Whit's over-the-top persona that staple of such people. I really feel like this show is living a lie. If Whitney does truly believe it, she is in serious danger, as evidenced by her inability to do even basic things. I want her to love herself, but I want her to stop being immature, petty, narcissistic, bullying, and surrounding herself with friends and medical professionals who cater to her bullying tactics.

I also think this and I think the shot we saw of her weighing in at her trainer's isn't showing her real weight. It spins around like crazy for a while before the cameras show us a shot of it saying 370-something, her weight in season 1/2? She really looks like 2x herself (almost) in these latest episodes, I don't believe for a minute she is still under 400. TLC takes us all for idiots.

I Googled this and couldn't really find anything, can you link or elaborate, please?

This is what stood out so strongly to me, other than the reality that Whit can't dance and can't choreograph at even a basic level. Todd looked and behaved in an utterly ridiculous manner. I really like him, but he seemed to be playing some over-the-top David Spade/Adam Sandler/Chris Farley trope during this show. Completely and utterly beyond belief, the way he was hopping around. He made Will Ferrell in 'Elf" look tame.

I hope this is not too far off-topic, but based on my educational experience with similar people/personalities and my anecdotal, personal experience from a family member, I have a feeling a large part of it has to do with her innate personality. I have a family member just a few years older than Whitney and she is very much the same way when it comes to attention, vindictiveness, etc. She has to upstage everyone. If you've done something or been somewhere, she's done a fancier version of it. She always has some kind of drama going on, often multiple threads of drama, and she commands attention and belittles others, she makes sure you know she will not hesitate to step on you should you question her about anything. The domineering presence and "don't f-- with me" persona is just staggering. She had no illness as a child, was not an only child, but was catered to and taught that she was the most perfect, special being on the planet. Her parents catered to her to sickening extremes. I am not sure if this fed an already present natural tendency to be a disgusting anomaly of a person or if it's what built it. I have a feeling there is a tendency toward this in some and if fostered and catered to in childhood, they well learn how to surround themselves with people that will continue their self-script into adulthood. Everyone else will be cut off, maliciously, if they feel the need to do so.

I think this is more evidence of Twit's "snowflakeitis" complex. Her lack of boundaries with anyone and everything are very telling about the extent she's been catered to her whole life. Clearly her parents did this to an extreme, and I know they did it out of love, but now she only surrounds herself with people that validate that and the rest of her laundry list needs for excessive attention, reassurance, and specialocity.

Reading about your progress here and in another post, I think you should feel highly accomplished and have a deep sense of self-pride, way to go! :)

I also immediately think "Asshat" when I see that, Alehat, such a wanna be pseudo hipster name that screams of pretentiousness. Only a self-ingratiated idiot loser could think "Alehat" was a good choice when creating their 'Where's Waldo?' type name.

Hope this goes well for you and you get on the road to recovery quickly. :)

I had the same thought. Maybe 4 mins if her trainer stopped timing each and every time stopped to catch her breath. I can't believe she could make it up in 6 minutes, the time her trainer wanted her to complete it in, not even close, were a timer not stopping every time she paused, which was likely every couple of stairs. That is a good workout even for a healthy person, I'm shocked she didn't pass out right then and there given that level of exertion and exhaustion.

She seems to like to keep tossing numbers out there about how much she's gained (and at one time, had lost) in her life and I am convinced she's had a major weight gain since the show started. I would be shocked/not shocked if that 100-150lbs she keeps harping on has occurred yet again, between seasons 2 and 3 (her current season). She looks massively monumental to me, her arms are nearly swallowed up by her girth. I don't mean that in a horrible way, I am just absolutely shocked at her sheer size difference, especially every time she does a talking head bit. In another thread, someone compared her to looking more and more like an heirloom tomato, I can't shake that image now. If I were a better, I'd bet dollars to donuts that she is well over 400lbs now.

I thought it was straight vodka, no chaser/mixer, poured into a coffee mug and gulped. I was in utter shock and had a hard time watching it, that scene seemed to drag on. Even with past prolific vodka drinkers, I don't think any of them gulped it like that, ounces behind ounces and then pouring, repeating. Holy goodness! *I re-watched and saw when he poured it into the red coffee mug, right before his wife came in asking for olive oil, it did look like there was coffee in that cup. I thought during the opening though, that he was gulping straight vodka like I gulp water. HOLY MOSES?!

I realize in this TV/Whit case it's different, but just a note, the option for final credits with my university were to either 1) write a thesis with an original pov and present it before a board for approval and then publication or 2) semester internship. It doesn't seem she's still in college so calling it an "internship" is being generous, at best. To comment on the episode in general further: Also, as others have noted, and I'll assume they're from like I am or are very familiar with that route of travel, for her to go from Greensboro to Charlotte daily would be ludicrous, no, it literally defies belief, especially given what we know about Whitney.

Petalfrog, everything you said. The logic of an addict, alcohol in particular, is one that cannot be dissected rationally. Horribly sad. I wish your s/o the best on his journey, and it really is a journey, not a destination.

Side note. For my master's, I opted for a thesis, bc I want to get a PhD and then work in research in my field, so I passed up the semester internship. I'm older than Whit, though still in my 30's, I certainly hope, had I taken the intern route vs writing a thesis, people wouldn't have thought that about me. Still, point taken. Self-Inadequacy acknowledge.

I use mine in situations like this too! LOVE it! :D Per your usage/abuse observations, I also am a bit incredulous. Not that he over-uses, but that he does to the extent claimed. I recently have been caught up in reading a site that deals with people who have basically just thrown their hands up to the fact that they are alcoholics. It's not uncommon for these users to detail mind-blowing consumption (nearly a handle a day, 3-4 handles per week; (36) 12oz beers plus shots, daily, etc) and their tales of what they suffer on a daily basis as a result (some have been consuming similarly for years, some for "only" months) paint a graphic picture of their day to day lives, one that doesn't quite line up with 1) what we saw this episode and 2) what we've seen in other alcoholics on this series. Google "crippling alcoholism" at your own risk,, the tales of their lifestyle detailed on their forum are jaw-dropping. It's become a total accepted lifestyle for some. *Many of the above mentioned people also abuse prescription drugs as well. **I am not trying to minimize the fact that Daniel has a problem and one that, if left untreated, won't have deadly consequences and of course, I realize we all process alcohol/drugs differently when it comes to manifesting deleterious symptoms/effects.