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I thought they would have a story there too, but I thought it would be Reggie seeing himself in that little girl.

Yes, I liked that too, although I think this wouldn't have been realistic in real life, at that time. I notice that the show takes positions that are, or should be, widely accepted now, but not a reality at the period they portray. It is the same with disabilities. I love how they have disabled people playing the disabled characters, and despite some pity porn and inso porn, they do show respect and acceptance. I don't know about the UK but at that time disability was considered some sort of curse, disabled people were shunned and hidden, institutions were dirty and unsanitary. Kennedy was the one who started the desegregation policies so in 1963 a young man with Down Syndrome would not be practicing "independence", a kid with Cerebral palsy would not get a second look from a nun in an attempt to inclusion. Maybe it was different in the UK, but I doubt it. The stigma was/is universal. I have mixed feelings. I like that they tell the stories and show disabled people. I hoped that they would be just a little more realistic and not romanticize it so much.

I just watched this episode. I think the idea is not that hospitals are bad, but the why births became a "medical" condition to be treated. Maybe simplistic, but really something to ponder. I came here to suggest - and I haven't read the whole thread yet, so maybe someone already did - a series of 3 episodes on Netflix (US) "the Birth Reborn". It is about the overuse of cesarean in Brazil, but also explains how births went from an intimate and special moment to a medical procedure. It is graphic, real births, but really well done.

Agreed. This show is somewhat infantilizing.

Thank you all. I love language quirks and maybe because English is not my first language, I am always curious about the differences in countries that speak the language.

I am going to ask here. I am in the US but English is not my first language. In the show everyone refers to the babies without the article as in: "I can see baby's head", "Baby's heart is a little slow". I never heard this in my many years here so, is this something from the time period, or a Great Britain thing? Is it the same in countries like Canada and Australia, where the written English follow the British spelling?

That's what made me love her. At first I din't care much about her but with each episode (I am in the beginning of season 8 now, pandemic binging) I like her more and more.

I am quoting myself because I went back to the scene and it is pretty clear that the hands are different people so I was the one not paying attention. I also didn't see Nate in the funeral scenes, even if there is a photo of him as an old man in the Media thread

Right? The show is so "woke" and yet the writers think that this is a story worthy telling. She is horny, give her a vibrator. Most of us who are double their age don't either. And some have jobs who actually give some security. I don't think it is legal. "As is" doesn't mean what they said in the show. The house looked like a crack house inside, no toilet, mold, something dead inside the fridge, dirty and not sanitary. Basically, a health hazard. I don't think the auction could have happened with the house in those conditions and if it did happen, they would have to disclose the potential dangers. I suspect the show will be cancelled before the season ends, unless they already filmed everything and/or NBC needs the new stuff to air since the other shows will not come back in the fall because of the pandemic.

If that's the case, I don't think the montage gave us enough information. Maybe the scenes changed too fast - for me, at least - to see that they were different. I had the same thought. We know she dies without a partner, because of the walking holding hands montage that ends wither alone but we also know she was a mentor to Christopher, so she might have had other mentees. It was probably done to link the character with the audience, someone we knew. That's because the writers wanted to have a "ohhh" moment and also to convey something without explanations. Right away one could tell who that was. Actually, one nice moment during the funeral scene was when Connor and Oliver realize who is the man standing next to Laurel. It was really well done. I think that's the same reason why they gave Christopher an accent, to show that Laurel never really came back to the US, she stayed away while he grew up. It is a very simple recourse used in many shows, series and movies.

I just watched it and I have to say, I didn't hate. Except for Nate, he is the one who actually got away with murder. I never cared about Frank so good riddance. Bonnie's death was one of the best death scenes ever on TV. Liza Weil just excelled on that. Perfect timing, perfect acting, everything about it was so realistic and sad. So, Annalise outlived Tegan? I wish they had showed us how she died but OTOH the montage of them holding hands was well done. I think that Connor and Oliver aging was not so off. Laurel though, she looked like Christopher's grandmother. Same for Micaela. The make up people needs to go back to make up school. Gabriel - silly ending for a silly character. What was he doing in the show again? Din't add anything to the drama. Meh.

Ah! I missed the majored in Spanish part, sorry.

Portuguese is my first language. Spanish is not necessarily easier for Portuguese speaking people. I became fluent in English faster than I could babble in Spanish.

I already dislike this plot. It is like they didn't have anything for Anthony - the other "dads" in the council have something drama-wise unique: black married gay guy will have some marital issues as he gets more involved with the kids, the other is a father figure, has a chance to be a good "dad". They needed something for Anthony, it would be being Luly's father or being secretly in love with Robin. Both television cliches. It is like they put the cliches of the A Million Little Things in a blender and came up with this one, equally bad result.

They should all be in jail. This show baffles me on its absurdity. Annalise, the control freak now afraid of losing control. The former students really bad at what they became because they don't even understand how weak the FBI case against them is. As to your second point, I agree that the writers are going to end the show with the premise of the title, which is an attempt to being "cute", as in bad writers are going to write bad stuff. But I would add that some will get away with murder but most of them will be actually dead. The Frank incest child is so ridiculous. They keep saying he is a sociopath and that's a result of the environment. And incest offspring are not necessarily psychopaths so the whole story was just an attempt to throw some extra "drama" for no reason at all.

I was looking for something on her accent because I find it so distinctive. Funny (to me) is that I don't usually understand much when I listen to Scottish people speaking (English is not my first language either but I don't have trouble with other accents as much as this one) but I understand her perfectly. And funnier still is that her pronunciation of the letter "R" reminds me of how the musical "Hamilton" has King George pronouncing the "R" in the same way. So I get the Hamilton songs for King George stuck in my mind every time I watch the show.

I am new to the show. Started watching on Netflix (in the US) and I really like it. I didn't know the episodes were edited. Why are they and what kind of editing?

But there was no doctor involved. How would they harvest anyone's egg without a doctor? Mia used a turkey baster to "release" Ryan's sperm inside here. If this is possible, I have no idea so bad writing. But I am 100% sure that they would not be able to harvest an egg, inseminate it, and implant it on Mia without a doctor and with a baster.

Yes, the way the insemination was done, it would be impossible for Mrs Ryan to be the mother. They wouldn't be able to harvest the eggs and inseminate it themselves, then implant it inside Mia.

My feelings too. It seems like everyone is stepping on eggs to deal with each other. The mom is so perfect, the kids are kids but the best kids, acceptance of everything without questioning seems unrealistic, unless we get backstories. I don't think it is the acting, I think it is the premise but I don't really know. I also feel like the show runners decided that they HAD to have mixed race couple/offspring, same sex couple, another minority to get the quota higher, someone who is transgender or questioning. I do think that representation is important and complain when there is not disability representation in the media - real disabled people, not pretend disabled - but throwing it all at once, in one family and that family circle feels more like tokenism than actual inclusivity. Maybe they are trying to appeal to a larger audience? It is a risk because if not done really well, it might backfire.

You make good points. The problem with this story is that it was poorly written, with no real background on people's lives, and with poor arguments from the characters, so there is no real agreement on why should one character be better than the other as a parent because while some of us are more sympathetic to Bebe, recognizing how she was lost and alone, without supports, on top of being an undocumented immigrant who is not white, some of us see the other couple as loving, despite their racism - which was shown but in a cheap shot type of way, without showing us if they would reflect on what was said about race and privilege. But the main take on this whole plot is how Mia interfered and disrupted all those lives because she wanted to deal with her own guilt and reassure herself about her actions related to Pearl. She didn't do it for Bebe, or to get back at Elena. It was all about Mia.

I think they can compare the DNA's and conclude that the parents are related but not sure if they could conclude that they were siblings. I finished binging the other seasons just a week ago because I could never really follow this show and the Bonnie/Frank love affair was never in the writers' minds, I can bet on that. No hint whatsoever of anything like that happening in the past seasons, not the way they want us to swallow now. That's a common problem with shows: they want to tie all the characters' lives, everything needs a conclusion even if they are inconsistent with the story of the character. They sometimes leave one plot up in the air, and it is probably what is going to be with the flash forward of Annalise's funeral and Wes/not Wes. Or/and because she sees herself as the puppeteer. She is controlling and believes she is smarter than anyone else, which might be true. She is the one who never really killed anyone but who got involved in all the cover ups.

I’m going to jump in here because I am curious. I stopped watching this several years ago but it popped up on my Hulu and I decided to check it again. I picked this episode randomly so I am confused About the kids in the beginning. I know Olivia has a son and the baby is the other woman detective. But who is the other little girl?

I think it was just the stress of the whole situation. He was overwhelmed and, fair or not, feeling like he was the one who had to deal with everything on his own. and now Ally is trying to go back to life as life was, Paul cannot accept that. Probably just a set up for a second season, when he is going to quickly figure that he does not have a problem with his kids, then we have another plot, his upbringing, likely. His parents are also breeders after all.

Or the kids, the laws in the country, and the people in the business know that those are just words and they understand that it is a show. This idea that children can never listen to the word "fuck" is cultural and probably - like a lot is the US - based on puritanism. In my circles, we don't avoid using the word just because kids are present.