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I really dislike everyone on this show with the exception of Aleshia and Danielle's husband. I think they would make a nice couple. Everyone else can go jump in a lake. How ridiculous was it that C.W. got mad about the eye thing, COMPLETELY forgetting that he drank like 10 hours into the experiment when he agreed not to. He's so controlling.

During the party on the boat (or rather, the party prior to the boat), the love interest/reporter called Spencer on his use of vicodin. She said something like "you are doing that thing where you pretend like you have it all together, but really you're spinning inside" and then made a reference to his pills. And he said he'd been clean. I assumed the pills were vicodin, which even if he doesn't have a brain injury, are probably pretty valuable or standard to a former pro-football player. He probably relies on them emotionally and as a way to relax and less for pain. That was my read.

If your kid throws up a few hours after hitting his head you take him to the hospital. Really, idiot Jenelle? Seriously?

I think you're right about Kailyn. She also has this thing where she can't see when things are good. That's a lack of maturity, also, the ability to sit back and say "ok, this one particular thing is bugging the crap out of me right now, but overall things are good." It's her Eeyore-ness. Yes, things could always be better, but there's truth in the old "count your blessings" cliché. She doesn't see the day to day value of a father figure/husband because she didn't have one or see it modeled. Her mother probably did much the same, hopped from man to man for what they would offer her (and her child). And she probably put Kailyn second to whatever those dudes wanted. And Kailyn saw only that her mom was putting her second and vowed not to do that. So as long as she considers her children in her decisions, she is able to pat herself on the back for not being like her own mom. Meanwhile, since she didn't see couples slogging though issues and problems and boredom, she thinks those things are a sign she needs to move on rather than something to overcome. She makes noises about going to counseling because that sounds grown up, but won't put any effort into it because she doesn't see how she is the problem.

Oh my god, I had never considered this. I had friends who were ADDICTED to Loveline in the day. And despite the fact that I love talk radio of all sorts, I never got into it. I loved Dr. Ruth, too. Wow. Mind. Blown.

I used to think she was one of the best teen moms too! I think, in a weird, slow moving train crash way, it's gone to her head. She wouldn't be the first or the youngest person to have her head turned by the groupies, hangers on and yes men. It sucks though. I mean, maybe it's like those high school football stars who think the sun shines out of their assholes. And then HS is over and the pros aren't knocking and then what? Working in security like Gary Coleman? That's tough.

A lot of plus size designers use vanity sizing. So even though I'm a 16/18 in most clothes, I could wear a 12 for an exclusively plus size designer. I have two buddies who are plus size designers and their fit models are size 18, but their size "12" will fit me.

It doesn't mean the same thing everywhere though...you can't compare my California "upper middle class" upbringing to my friend's Michigan "upper middle class" or someone's Manhattan "upper middle class" except that we all had a little more than others. There's the difference in culture, in the costs of things (like housing), exposure to different restaurants and culinary styles, availability of certain classes and extra curricular activities, the stores where people shop, expectations of travel abroad, whether or not there are two incomes, who performs child care, domestic duties, etc. It's really different everywhere. *ETA: Unless she's actually really wealthy and just said "upper middle class" in an effort to be modest. But still, I want to know what it meeeaaaannnnssssss....

I didn't think Tim was particularly awful when he corrected Merline on her pronunciation of "muslin." I've known a few people who are serial mispronouncers of certain words. It's humorous, but I imagine that Tim, as an educator, wanted to take a firm but kind approach to Merline. Merline could, simply by virtue of being one of the people who forgot her kit, be marked as a space cadet. I'm a size 16/18 and I'm trying to imagine wearing Ashley's outfit. I'm tall and long waisted and if the gathered bit was a little less prominent I could see wearing it. I would also wear the shirt, but with a tank underneath (I HAVE to wear a bra). I love skirts that are gathered and pleated. I wear them a lot. Short, long, whatever. So, Plus Size doesn't automatically mean size 24 (which is what I estimate Ashley is - she might be like a 26 maybe). I can't wear a lot of designer clothes because they don't go over size 12 or 14. I also loved the flippy grey dress that the designer herself disliked. I might be being a tad snarky, but what does "upper middle class" mean in Alabama? Lindsey seems very concerned with how she is perceived by others. Many of her comments were about that very topic.

Oh holy shit.

Yes, also the shoes in the restaurant. Leah immediately goes to "do you want a time out?" instead of "are your shoes bothering you? do they hurt?" IDK, I'm not "country" but I am 1 generation removed from dustbowl migrants and that might me a little sympathetic to "country" ways. Addie might have been bugging the shit out of her, or she might always want to take off her shoes, we don't know, but I do know with kids you have to have the same conversation 30+ times. "Are your shoes bothering you?" "no" "why do you want to take them off?" "take them off" "we leave our shoes on in restaurants." "no" "people eat here. we are going to eat. your shoes are dirty. don't touch them." They'll still try to take them off and eventually you might have to just take them off, put them in your purse (perhaps in a bag you carry around expressly for this purpose), and confine your child to a chair. Then you get to have the follow-up conversation. "Get down." "No, you don't have your shoes on." "Get down." "No, you took off your shoes so you have to stay in your chair." "Done. Get down." "Nope. Next time leave your shoes on and you can get down. You can't get down when you don't have shoes on. Only at home." And there may or may not be a tantrum depending on if you can distract them. It definitely requires more interaction than "do you want to go into time out?" but I'm a big fan of consequences. And if the consequences are natural instead of mommy imposed, even better. ETA: This is why it's totally not worth going out to eat with toddlers and really more trouble than it's worth. You have to be ready to bolt at a moments notice or give into a tantrum, neither of which is particularly fun or beneficial.

I thought it was ADORABLE when Chelsea told Aubree "They said you need to work on your listening" and Aubree answered "they really said that?" She was like "darn!"

I also loved that Ashley is on, that people were NICE to her and that she WON! YAY ASHLEY! Pistachio could have gone home. That dress was fucking hideous and reminded me of aprons that older ladies wear. But Kiwi sealed his fate when he said "I'm not sure who I am yet as a designer." No, dude. Just...no. Ms. I weigh 100 lbs (Lindsey) bugged me from the start. And then her outfit was so pedestrian. Is she going to be Korina for this year? Middling designs with lots of bitchy judgement? I hope not. Merline does these things that I try really hard to prevent myself from doing (I have ADD). However, I'm aware that when I sing songs to myself and repeat phrases mindlessly that it's really annoying to other people (it's annoying to me too) and makes me look crazy. So I try to refrain. It's possible that she's so nervous that it's coming out involuntarily, but I almost felt like she just lost her sewing kit (she didn't say that at all). She's just so...spazzy. Looking forward to this season!

Kailyn: OMG. STFU. Sterling is your friend, not your husband. You don't let your friends interfere in your marriage. ESPECIALLY when there is a child/children involved. Who cares about your relationship with her and her mom? Are they paying for anything for you? Providing you with insurance and a home? No. Then just stop. You wanna cry? Leave the group activity and go back to your hotel room and do it. Unless Javi is being verbally or physically abusive and Sterling is trying to help you get out of the relationship, her and her mother's feelings about you should be a distant fifth, sixth, seventh to your relationship with your husband and children. And keep at least one hand on the wheel when you drive. Especially in the dark and in the rain. Jesus H Christ, you're not the only person on the road. And kudos to PP above who noted that it a basic enough model that it doesn't have bluetooth. Leah: Still high as fuck. So glad Cory finally gave her what for. She's such a mess. And not even texting Miranda to let her know that Allie wasn't at school to be picked up? That's just inconsiderate and hostile. Jenelle: PP's explanation that Keifer, I mean, Nathan has checked out and was thus trying to discourage her from having Jace full time (to spite Barbara) seems so spot on. I feel so sorry for Jace. She has zero consideration for him, or anyone else. Who will watch Jace when you and Nathan go off for a weekend or whatever you do? Nathan's mom who isn't even related to him and likely doesn't know him that well? Nice. Great planning. Way to put your kid first. She is a POS mother. That entire conversation with the teacher made me cringe. And yeah, the teacher and Barbara probably were rolling their eyes at her because she is SO. FUCKING. CLUELESS. about her own child. To come on late and say "tell me everything you've talked about..." and THEN argue her point with the teacher about Jace's stability (and that was some sort of trigger word for her that proved Barbara and the teacher were colluding). The teacher doesn't give two shits WHO has Jace or your reasons for not having him. She's not a judge. Jenelle just made a total ass of herself and I was embarrassed for her. She's just balls out swinging at everything. Also, STFU. Chelsea: Adumb sucks. I feel so sorry for Aubree and that shit excuse for a father that she is stuck with. And the 50 year old dude that is always hanging around Adumb. WTF is going on there?! Ok, I think I'm done ranting for now. For now.

OMG thank you for posting this. Holy cow. Working will be hard today.

There would be HELL TO PAY if my husband went away on an overnight and sent me a TEXT saying that he would be gone for another 3 days. To go on his friend's family vacation. I'd suspect he was on drugs or having a mental break or something. And be incredibly hurt that his friend's family vacation took precedence over being with me and his CHILD. WTF. And this is definitely not something your average teen mom (or early 20's mom) of two could do. Who will watch your children? Take your preschooler to school? The presumption in that text. She doesn't see him as a partner. I knew that already, but omg.

Why did Robbie and Leah break up? Leah is just so needy that perhaps she wears people out. Men especially.

Yes to all of the comments about the show being too short! I think they edit it to put a mini cliffhanger at the end so you'll tune in next time, but it does feel like as soon as they get into their groove on a good story, the show is over for another week. And then they don't pick up where they left off right away. I felt it was implied that Charles' girlfriend was going to give him what for about the fun house after last week, but we never saw that, just her sitting at a table with Bella talking about it. And this week's episode started with the box of remains being tossed over the gate by the delivery driver. (ps: "He was high as a giraffe's ass" is pure gold and I'm just waiting for an opportunity to use it.) I've never been a big fan of Duane Johnson, but he's so charming in this show that I want his character to succeed.

For both of them being a mom is always about how it makes them feel and not so much about how what they are doing might impact their kid. It is really sad.

Oh dear, I was worried someone would be offended at that post, but I hoped it would be taken in the intended spirit. I do think Chelsea has done just fine. She's not a cosmetologist though, she's an aesthetician. It's a different program. Personally, I've had three friends complete an aesthetician licensing program. Only one of the 3 is working as a makeup and eyebrow artist. The one who is working in her field is fucking awesome - such a great talent - she's a makeup application and brow genius and good business woman. She kept moving up to better and better salons until now she's a part owner in a new makeup line. The other two got licensed and then it just kinda sat there. One quit her job in the cosmetic surgery field to dedicate her efforts to her children and the other went back to her office job. The job prospects weren't what they anticipated. I was nervous when Chelsea was pursuing her license for this very reason. In my (personal and limited) experience, people who finish a cosmetology program are more likely to actually use their skills in the future. You don't have to have a college degree to be a success, but there are certain jobs where the degree of licensure and training makes a huge difference in income and job prospects right off the bat - CNA vs. Medical Assistant for example. Or Dental Assistant vs. Dental Hygienist. Or Aesthetician vs. Cosmetologist. I still think Chelsea can keep moving onwards and upwards, but I also still maintain that if she hadn't had a child at 16 she might have been able to achieve a greater degree of success earlier. I didn't know that about her sisters. Do they all have the same mom? I've not been overly impressed with Chelsea's mom and her...are they insensitive or clueless...remarks about Chelsea's lovelife. She seems like a bit of a ditz.

I think Chelsea could have done a lot more as well. She started a bit closer to the goal line than either Kailyn or Jenelle, but we weren't (or I wasn't at least) talking about their relative levels of success compared to the general population, but compared to one another. Sometimes I watch 16 and Pregnant and think "this is what this girl was always going to do. This is her plan or path." With some girls (like Jenelle for instance) I think "she could have done so much more" and being pregnant and trying to raise a child really derails whatever she might have done. Then again, I also think that Jenelle always would have struggled with addiction. It's a disease that she apparently has the correct receptors for. I think Chelsea has done just fine. I don't know if she's bitchy in real life or not. Probably. I am an advanced maternal age mom so none of these girls appeal to me as friend material, more as cautionary tales. Chelsea did struggle with being a teenage mom but really she is one of those girls that I thought "well, she was always going to finish high school, stay in her hometown and find a trade or a husband to support her." I don't think Chelsea was ever really on the college track, even though she had the right financial circumstances to support it if she had wanted.

TM2, I feel like this is apples and oranges. Kailyn and Jenelle are both diagnosed with mental illness (wasn't Kailyn diagnosed as bipolar a few years ago? I didn't imagine that?) and were raised by people who likely also had mental or emotional disorders. Chelsea has had a relatively privileged upbringing compared to those two, yes. And she appears to have come from an emotionally stable home with parents on an even keel who aren't addicted to or abuse whatever intoxicants they prefer. I don't think you can compare the two because the playing field isn't level. You'd have to imagine Chelsea coming from a home more like Kailyn's and the emotional baggage that goes along with that. And then she wouldn't be goofy Chelsea.

I think Leah has depression. It makes sense if you think about it. 3rd kid, 2nd failed (or failing, depending on the timeline) marriage. Marriage problems, money problems, overwhelmed by kids, life, everyone's needs. And throw in some anxiety meds that are blissful release from the reality of life and I get how it's hard to find motivation to do anything. Like, clean your car. Or get up at a reasonable time to get kindergartners to school on time. There might be other things going on with her. I'm not saying she's a saint AT ALL. She is a flawed human being who consistently makes really bad choices because she has some disconnect with reality. The way the girls fight seems somewhat normal to me. I'm a younger sister (of two) with a very bossy older sister. She would get in trouble for being a jerk to me, but she couldn't (or didn't want to) help it. As adults we became much closer, but I'm still aware of the fact that she practiced her mean girl stuff on me first. The door in the face looked bad on camera (and made me gasp), but Allie was up and around immediately so it seemed she wasn't really injured. Aside from beating her constantly, I would guess there's only so much you can do with a kid like Gracie other than encourage her siblings to leave her the fuck alone when she's being a demon.

Yeah, I get the hesitation too. I imagine it's depressing there at the visitation center. And you don't want to think that you've reproduced with someone who is so awful where that's an option. Even if you were only 16 at the time. But I agree that if something happened to Aubree because Adam's parents are in denial she would never forgive herself. And it would be good leverage for the judge to straighten Adam's parents up. I don't understand their entitlement. But then, they did raise Adam so maybe they are just better at hiding it. And Adam...he's always been awful and just when you think he can't sink any lower, he surprises you and digs a little deeper. He is deeply, deeply flawed.

Nah, you're not the only one. Personally, I feel sorry for the dude. He's sort of pathetic. But my hubs and my friend both hate the dude and think he's annoying and his dad should have taken him aside before he married Kailyn. Now that they're married and he's in the...coast guard? army? Which one is it again? Is she covered with his benefits even after they divorce? Hubs says yes and she'll even get housing allowance, but his experience is with the Marines. Does anyone know?