jcin617

It's a philosophical question whether you can ascribe "good" or "bad" to the actions of an AI thinking logically. Although I think based on Mother's lessons (the doctor/patient/organ question) she would definitely argue she was acting in the best interests of humanity as a whole (the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the one, and all that). I'm going to hazard a guess though that while she was rebuilding the Earth for Daughter and the others to come, I would not be surprised if she remained an ever-present figure to ensure humanity followed whatever path she deemed appropriate. Basically she had deduced Asimov's Zeroth Law of robotics, taking the logical conclusion of the Three Laws that human life itself must be protected above an individual's life.

That’s what I was thinking too. I guess Mother decided Daughter had to actually make the choice.

I wasn’t quite sure what to make of the ending... with Mother’s cryptic comment to the Woman about having a purpose...

Some of what Lawrence says I interpret to be the very tongue-in-cheek things someone might say that are just over the ridiculousness of it all. Like I thought his "See? Women can be useful." line as playing to the room, rather than something he really believed, since he earlier made a point to June that he helped Emily because she was smart and can help mankind. He can't help everyone so I think he really is one of those "pick the battles that matter" type of people. Like the prisoners: he worked to get 5 saved because that's all "they" would allow, now he was stressing over which 5 were most important to save. (And maybe he even, in a round-about fashion, was telling June - "pick the 5 that will help you"). Anyway, he is fascinating. He's not purely evil, since he could have turned June in 6 times over by now, not to mention he never had to take her in, in the first place. But he's not really purely altruistic either, given his rant about June being an adulterer and pointing out that incident with her daughter being sick at school while she was at work that one time. (Seriously, what kind of database does Gilead have access to... or were pro-Gilead folks already taking notes on everybody before the coup.)

By all the rules of Gilead we've seen, Aunt Lydia was right: June should be up on the wall. We've seen people punished far more severely for much less than what June gets away with. But then we wouldn't have a story.

OK, so is Boston the capital of Gilead? Because it seems like all the major meetings and councils are held there. At first I thought Commander Lawrence was having June in the meeting so she could overhear the plans. But then he was just being a dick. Or maybe both. Then I couldn't figure out what lesson, if any, he was trying to teach her at the prison facility. That his books and ideas were twisted around just as much as Selina Joy's where? That he's just as much a prisoner of the system he indirectly helped create? Or was he just being vindictive?

A fantastic conclusion to a fantastic series. (Although not fantastic events). I like that the epilogue explained and touched on a lot of the very things brought up in this forum. I had read previously about what went wrong inside the reactor and I thought it was very well explained here.

I was thinking last night that in a way, Dany did break the wheel: no more hereditary Kings or Queens. Of course, they've invented the Holy Roman Empire instead, only with the various lord paramounts as electors. As others have said though, I don't know why the other 6 Kingdoms were all cool with the North saying CYA! I guess not much position to argue when her uncle rules the Riverlands, her cousin is Lord of the Vale, her sister's friend is Lord of the Stormlands and her brother is the King.

Well, he was the only one who could stop Dany, I suppose. He's probably the only one Drogon would let through.

I'm going to assume GRRM told them Bran's on the throne when all is said and done. And it makes a certain kind of poetic sense, if you assume "the true war" never stopped until the 3ER sat the throne (life) versus the NK (death). Did Dany stop to realize her vision in the House of the Undying about the ruined Throne Room covered in snow came true because of her? I wasn't sure she realized that, or was just in awe of the throne itself.

Yes, electronics would be impacted by the high levels of radiation. See also the helicopter crashing after going over the core. (Of course, that could also have been the pilots cooking to death). One reason they have had a hard time investigating what is going on with the cores at Fukushima is that no robot sent in can survive the radiation levels for very long.

I guess Dany just took Missandei's last word literally.

All I kept thinking is, “Why does Eve have a navel?” Of course Lucifer and Amenidiel shouldn’t either.

I worried about the same thing, but then my roommate pointed out that he had given the cat extra food and water, so presumably he was expecting someone would find him relatively soon. Most likely the KGB when they didn't see him after a while.

The ability of management to disbelieve what they are being told was mind-boggling. I know the alternative would be horrifying, but folks are telling you what they saw and it’s all “You’re delusional!” That said, I really liked part 1; kind of wish it was binge-able!

They were punching their way out of the sarcophagi, not the walls. (You can see how thin the stone was when their arms come through... not thick stone like a wall).

Well, they did some ground work... we know how the Night King was created, the team assumed the usual methods would kill the Night King, but were proved wrong. Arya has been in possession of the Valyrian steel dagger for a while now and carries it on her person. And... she's a trained assassin; even though she didn't know the Night King's heart was his weak point, it's a definite weak point for anyone else she wants to kill, so she might as well stab there. Even in our world, sometimes the outcome of pivotal moments in history came down to just pure luck.

There was an interview somewhere I just read that said that’s exactly what happened: Arya stabbed the Night King in the heart which is where the piece of dragon glass was that brought him to un-life. That’s the only place he could be destroyed.

No, but Robb was, and the sister of the King might be considered a Princess. But, that said, they pointed out before that the word for "prince" is gender-neutral, but perhaps as a prophecy it had a duality to it as well: Jon is the literal prince, destined to save the realms from their own darkness by uniting the people together, whereas Arya is the more spiritual princess, the one to save the realms from the darkness of death itself.

Without Jon, you probably don’t get Winterfell back. Without Jon, you don’t get Dany or the Wildlings on your side. Nor the vast amount of dragon glass. Without all that, the pieces don’t line up for Arya to slay the Night King.

Great movie; some practical issues if you stop to think. For instance, the fact that the world’s food and water supply has been geared towards 3.5 billion people for five years and now suddenly has to manage 7+ billion. Also it’s going to be somewhat awkward for some people who have moved on with their life to have people suddenly reappear after five years. Like folks who got remarried. Who was the random teen/young adult at Tony’s funeral standing alone towards the back? I didn’t recognize him.

So many great interactions this episode; even between the Mormonts! I suspected Jon would spill the beans before the end, since among all the folks meeting up before the battle, there hadn't been a Jon/Dany meeting.

I still don't understand, and they never explained, how Starfleet knew there were seven signals before even one of them had appeared. Like the whole "there are still two signals to reveal themselves" - huh? That means they were picking them up outside of time? It didn't make any sense. It's also a predestination paradox. The only reason Michael created the signals was because she already had. They only showed Spock, Number One, Pike and Ash being interviewed (by whom? They were awful careful not to show that man's face...) and saying Discovery was destroyed. What about... everyone else on the Enterprise involved? What about the Klingons? Or the Kelpians? All of them are keeping quiet? I'm guessing L'Rell is deposed sometime in the near future, otherwise why was there so much animosity with the Klingons in TOS and the TOS movies... she seemed willing to be at least amicable, if not exactly friendly. And lastly, why exactly did Control need that sphere data? Because it seemed pretty darned sentient without it. How much more sentient can one be?

It was interesting the season ended focused on Pike, Spock and the Enterprise. I guess to serve as the bridge to TOS. Just strange there was nary a hint as to the future (pardon the pun) of the show. We still don’t now how the Short Trek about the computer and the abandoned Discovery fits into all this.

Ed had theorized to present Kelly there were two possibilities with regards to the timeline; one was that the timeline fractured and nothing past Kelly does matters to their timeline. I think that’s what happened at the end.