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I don't know. This may not constitute as "mean," but I always took Jess' behavior as intentionally trying to cause SOMEthing negative. He seemed to be a classic case of "Everybody leaves me, so rather than trust that people won't leave me, and then get hurt later when they do, let's just cut to the chase now. Piss them off early and get the leaving over with, like I always knew they would." His stupid pranks and such weren't about the recipient. They were about Luke. How much trouble could he cause before Luke would finally throw his hands up and say "That's it! I give up! I'm sending you back to your mother!"? I also think his rudeness to people and cutting remarks to Luke were indeed meant to at least anger, if not hurt, Luke for the same reason. Weirdly, I think one of the things that showed Jess that Luke wouldn't just fling him away in irritation was when Luke sent him back to New York after the accident. I think Jess could tell that Luke didn't want to but felt he had to. At some point Jess stopped believing he could push Luke far enough to get rid of him, so Jess stopped pushing (at least, stopped pushing as much). So when Luke did kick him out over not staying for an extra year of high school, I think Jess was a bit shocked and heartbroken. He had allowed himself to believe that Luke would never leave him, that Luke would accept him as is, warts and all, and yet here he was being "abandoned" all over again. He probably felt stupid for letting his guard down. (Note: I don't see Luke as abandoning an imperfect Jess, but rather giving tough love by not enabling poor decisions. That was just how I expect Jess sees it.) This is tied to why I think Jess bailed on Rory without saying anything. He couldn't risk another round of rejection. J: Hey I'm not actually graduating and I'm not going to stay in school. R: What? But school is really important. I can't be with you if you don't care about school. So he did the rejecting. Sort of.

This basically a "You know you're obsessed when..." thread, right? Anyway, sometimes when my 22 month old daughter says Up it sounds like "UPoo" (caps to show pronunciation emphasis). Today she was walking around saying Up, Down, Up, Down only it came out "UPoo, down, UPoo, down." Me: Apple down?

I agree with this difference, but that means Emily's actions still make no sense to me (other than character assassinating bad writing).If Richard's actions, which only had a secondary effect on Lorelai, were so awful that Emily chose to separate from him for even remotely/indirectly risking a falling out with Lorelai, how were her later actions (scheming with Chris), which had a primary and direct effect on Lorelai, acceptable and not awful even in her book? Doesn't that mean she had to fully divorce herself, then?

Marty and Dave, but I usually go for nerdy types rather than more suave or macho types.

I think Logan's smiles were intended to be charming and winning. But I agree, mostly smirks in my eyes. And I agree that his public proposal was totally in character. I just think they're awful :)

I also think it was terrible, but I take even my own opinion with a grain of salt. I just don't like public proposals of any kind. I find them manipulative, almost like the proposer is thinking (consciously or subconsciously), "What is s/he gonna say? No? In front of all these people?"In reality, I know that it's often to include special people (friends and family) in a special moment. I know that it's not usually manipulative because the couple had talked about the topic generally/indirectly enough that the proposer can be pretty confident of a genuine yes. But thinking Ugh and cringing are always my first responses to a public proposal on TV and real life. Even worse than the publicness of the proposal, IMO, was the conversation afterwards in the carriage. I just really didn't like the way Logan spoke to her. On the surface it seemed fine, he was speaking cheerfully and smiling and was just giving his reasons for getting married. But he often interrupted her and pretty much dismissed what she was saying. I know he was excited. I know they have the dynamic of her being the cautious one and him being the spontaneous one, and like in YJ,IJJ, he was giving her a pep talk to not be afraid of the unknown, but to me, he was still talking her into marrying him. And that's not something anyone should be talked into. The only thing I actually liked about the proposal was that Rory didn't say Yes or No in front of all those people. I think I heaved a huge sigh of relief. I applaud the writers for this because I think it's good for people to see that you aren't obligated to give an answer just because you're put on the spot. Oh, and I also like that Logan wasn't pissy that he didn't get an immediate yes. Imagine if that had been Dean! Off topic: I feel the same way about proposals without a ring. To me, having a ring ready symbolizes that the proposer deliberated on the decision, taking it seriously and whatnot. Without one, it always seems like a not well thought out plan. Perhaps ironically, I get weirded out when I see a couple picking out an engagement ring together. Either he asked without a ring, or he hasn't even officially proposed yet, but is all, hey, if I were to propose, what ring do you want? Just weird to me either way.

For Marty-philes like me, it's also notable as the one where Marty approaches Rory since she's in her pjs and slippers. And for those who watched MadTV, the episode starts off with the gardening scene spoofed in their Gabmore Girls sketch. Oh my. My brain stopped before "Home" and just ... oh my...

I didn't mind Lindsay's mom lashing out at Rory, but I didn't like how her words implied Rory was solely to blame. She acts like Dean had nothing to do with it, that the poor boy tried valiantly to fend Harlot Rory off. She may as well have added, "And of course Dean fell for your seductions; he is a man after all." This one isn't too bad. I mean, Rory should be ashamed of herself for what she did. It's not like she didn't know Dean was married/in a relationship. But the "What you did!" reads to me like Rory carries 100% of the blame.

During the Red Dragon / Francis brawl, was I the only one giggling and thinking "I'm kicking my ass! Do you mind?"? So glad to see so many others scoffing at Francis' comments about Will not being attractive. Did you see him in The Jane Austen Book Club? I think it was in some bonus footage or in the commentary where they said they put Dancy in sunglasses for the beach scene near the end because his eyes just naturally gave away too much.

Oh wow! Thanks for the pimp, junie! I really wasn't expecting that since it's not a L/L story and that's usually the favorite kind :)I also laughed at "Rory at her delightfully angsty worst." It sounds like a compliment, but also doesn't ;) Thanks again!

I'd imagine they'd mock the nerdery and Penny would defend it, which would actually be pretty sweet.

Never watched the show, but there are 3 GG/Castle crossover fanfics on fanfic.net.

Pushkin is also the episode where Marty won't open his mouth to tell Rory how HE feels about her, yet opens his stupid trap to tell her how LOGAN feels about her. Which inexplicably makes Rory do a 180 from "butt-faced miscreant" to "I want him in my pants, stat." The only payoff is Marty telling Rory she's annoying. That can never be done enough (post S3) IMO, and I LIKE Rory. ETA: I fully admit, I don't remember anything else that happens in this episode besides the Yale stuff. EATA: Oh god! Luke's Dark Day that the town talks about but Lorelai never heard of and no one is capable of looking at simple dates to solve the impossible mystery! Just no. Also, the Crazy Internet People's description for Pushkin includes "Marty finally clues Rory in that both he and Logan are interested in her" which is NOT what happens.

I asked Mr. #s what he thought of Lorelai without reading the other recent male opinions. Keep in mind, I don't think he's watched an episode since the finale aired, but I'm pretty sure he passively watched all of them with me. He thought she was kind of a caricature and said she could annoying. He didn't mind her as a character to watch, but wouldn't want to be friends with her. She's too manic and cliquey. "If you're not in her circle, which is basically Rory, good luck." Afterwards I read him the other recent male opinions. He nodded strongly at Mr. Taryn's comment about Sookie vs. Lorelai. But then I read him ASF's counter arguments and he admitted he forgot about those negative aspects of Sookie. He said at least early on Sookie was more like a normal person, and either Davey or the Dragonfly was the start of the other Sookie. I guess it's just that Sookie's baseline personality was more palatable than Lorelai's baseline, if that makes sense. Ha! She's Amelia Bedelia!

(Shrug) I never write dates on cards. I can't think of the last time I received a card with a date on it. This is the Luke thread, not the Anna thread, so I won't go on about it, but as much as I disliked Anna's character, I didn't have a problem with April not knowing her paternity. It was never the case that Anna was unsure of who the father was (cheating scenario). Some parents don't tell their kids they are adopted until they are 18. Maybe Anna was waiting until April was older before she started telling her details. Until then I assume she just said, "I was dating someone, so it wasn't a one night stand with a stranger or anything, we happened to break up before he knew about you and I decided to have you all on my own. We don't need anyone else." It never seemed like April had this longing for her father figure that her mom was denying her. She only did the paternity test to win a science contest, hoping the added drama would give her an edge, not "Ooo, here's my excuse to find out that info my mom always refuses to tell me." Oops. So much for not going on about it. :/

To me, April not knowing which of three men were her father didn't necessarily mean Anna and Luke weren't serious. I just figured that meant Anna hadn't let April know when she dated each of her past boyfriends. April might have seen pictures or undated cards with/from three different men and Anna wouldn't give anymore details to keep April from figuring out her paternity.

This is more "Gilmore Girls Adjacent in the media" but Pamie (the first GG recapper on TWoP) posted this recently. Poor Pamie, but humorously written as always. http://www.scarymommy.com/articles/life-is-gross-carry-a-flashlight?section=pregnancy-sucks&u=unknown

Okay, I don't think this technically counts as a nitpick, but I struggle with reconciling the facts and was curious what others thought. Disclaimer: Yes, I am aware I think too much. I have my reasons. Okay, so the first time we meet Logan, one of the things he says to Marty is: When I first heard this, I took it to mean that Marty just bartended parties for a fellow student. Pretty straight forward. I probably assumed it was a campus party, like at a frat. Then we get a little more background: So Logan wasn't a student last year (Rory and Marty's freshman year). In fact, he wasn't even in the country for a good while. This is where I start to get into trouble. I think originally I interpreted Doyle's comment as meaning Logan set sail in the yacht early on in the school year, tooled around for a while, sank it off of Fiji, and THEN spent six months partying where they were stranded (so "in there" was Fiji). In this case, it was unlikely Marty bartended for Logan last year. It could only have been over the summer, between when Mitchum fetched Logan and this new school year. But that doesn't make sense either. Why would Logan ask if Marty was still for hire "this year" or wonder if his financial situation had changed if Marty had just worked for him over the summer? So, either the "tooled around" portion of the adventure was less than four months, or I misunderstood Doyle and the whole adventure was six months long (so "in there" was the yacht and maybe also Fiji). Either one would make it possible for Logan to be back in Hartford before the end of Marty's freshman year such that he could bartend some off-campus parties. That makes the most sense, right?

In that quiz, it should count double if you were able to get it without the picture and lead-in dialogue (5 of them just didn't load for me) or if you knew the answer without looking at the choices :) That would make up for the ones I missed!

I agree that Mitchum was no villain. I think the picture Lorelai painted of a mastermind scheming to knock Rory for a loop was incorrect. And I agree that Rory was not a go-getter during her internship. No, she didn't have to just run around the city reporting on whatever she wanted and hope her stories got published, but she could have asked more "Can I do X?" questions to show what she had to offer and test boundaries. However, I also think Mitchum shares the blame in how her internship went. It's a supervisor's job to clearly communicate what is expected of an employee (and say something BEFORE a review if those expectations aren't being met to give them an opportunity to fix it). You don't just give them a badge, disappear to another location, then come back and say, "You didn't do what I wanted." At the very least, you assign someone else to lay out the expectations and keep an eye on how they are met. It seemed to me that Rory was under the impression that she was just being given an opportunity to see the inner workings of a real paper. Basically an observer position for a temporary period (not long enough to assume you'd have a lasting impact on the paper). That is not how I'd expect her to behave at her first real, long term job. Would it have been super impressive if she had made suggestions in meetings, or brought articles in to see if they might be printed? Yes, absolutely. But I don't think she was wrong for not doing so in the circumstances, and I don't think it necessarily indicates that she doesn't have *it*. (What I do think shows she might not have it is that she just rolled over after his comment.) FWIW, I don't expect Rory will ever be an in-your-face type of journalist. But I could see her hanging back from the crowd of shouting, microphone-waving reporters outside the jailhouse, and waving to the politician-mid-scandal from across the street (even though she can't see him/her through the tinted windows of the towncar) because she gave her card to the driver saying, "Please just point me out and let him/her know I'm interested in his/her side of the story."

(There's an AU Literati fanfic where the main conflict is that type of financial dynamic. https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3049463/1/Sex-or-Love )

Are you saying you dislike hearing laughter from the show you're watching (so a comedy like Psych would be better than a standard sitcom)? Or are you saying you don't like fake laughter from a machine when you watch a sitcom with laughter on it? Because technically speaking, the show claims not to use a laugh track. http://www.chucklorre.com/index-bbt.php?p=282 However, I assume they enhance and clean up the reactions they record for the aired episode.

I won't get too deep into this because it's the OitLN thread, where UOs are supposed to be backed up, not torn down, but here's how I saw the "Luke is like a father to Rory" thing. First, I agree with most of what's been said here: Luke and Rory did not have a cuddly close daddy's little girl type of relationship or even an advisory mentor kind of deal. However, I always took the "Luke is like a father to Rory" thing to mostly be about stability, security and dependability. Luke took care of the GGs the best way he knew how: by fixing things around their house and feeding them. He could always be counted on for that kind of stuff. He showed up, whether it was a graduation, a town event, or whatever.

Hee Hee.. Second to last item on the list: http://www.scarymommy.com/articles/things-no-decent-mother-would-do?section=youre-a-damn-good-mom&u=unknown

I think solotrek's point was, (a) why would Beau need Rune's "intel" on Lorelai when he's met Lorelai himself? And (b) theoretically Beau's encounter should trump Rune's since it was more recent ("Dude, she's a nympho." "Maybe she was but she's not anymore.") While I see that point, I think what TPTB were going for is that Rune knew more about Lorelai. Beau only really met her in passing last time. Then Rune tells Beau all about Lorelai's "risqué" past and that the ONLY conclusion possible is that she's a nympho. And then Beau is enough of a dunderhead to believe it, since he wants it to be true.