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What's up with ex Bachelor contestants hanging out with ex Disney stars? I believe Hannah Brown hung out with Demi Lovato too. I'm guessing their managers set them up.

Well, they didn't even try. I don't blame them, I wouldn't either if I were in their shoes. But so much ado about nothing during the final show when they couldn't even last the week. Big mistake by Chris Harrison going to get Madi, when Peter may not even wanted that.

Why did Madison look more sure of their relationship than Peter during ATFR? When asked if he still loved Madison, he took a long pause before saying "yes". Like he had to really think about it. And when Chris asked him where does their relationship go from here, he took a long pause before saying they will see how it goes, step by step, etc. His answers are all reasonable by normal standards but this is Peter, who loves using hyperbole and grand declarations.

What I didn't like about Madison is how she kept repeating that this is her journey too. I mean, no one told her it wasn't. She said it twice, once to Peter's mom during meet the parents and second time at the ATFR. It's like someone coached her to say it or she came up with that on her own and was very proud of it and has to keep repeating it, when the person she is saying to (Barb) did not question that. And she is no better than Peter in her wishy-washiness. She told him during Fantasy Suites that she couldn't continue with him if he had sex with others, then she left in the middle of the date, then she came back and accepted his rose, then she came to Meet the Parents sulking and being "in a mood" (to quote Victoria), and then she left again! And now she is BACK because Chris Harrison went to get her. Not Peter, but Chris Harrison. Peter is less sincere with Madison than Arie was with Lauren, because at least Arie went himself to get Lauren. Their relationship is doomed. I don't think she even really likes him at this point.

What Peter's brother said to him may sound immature but is it wrong though? He knows his brother well and his life style. What Peter likes to do to past his time is so different from Madison's. She wouldn't even drink alcohol on TV for goodness sake. I know many conservative Christians and they don't a problem with drinking in front of others. So Madi and her family are another level. Also, Peter who enjoys sex that much can forego it for the next approx. 2 years before they get married? Really? He said he is willing to compromise and sure, he may be able to for this but like all humans do, he would expect her to compromise on other things, and would probably hold it over her (consciously or subconsciously. The relationship has already started on the wrong foot, it has a very slim chance to succeed. Hannah Ann is trying so hard to win this thing that she is willing to overlook Peter's obvious interest in Madi. Which is odd because she's a smart cookie. Wouldn't she try to be Bachelorette instead? Her last conversation with Peter reminded me of Arie's last conversation with Becca before the FRC. Arie was also so unsure and broken up about it. It's never a good sign when the Bachelor is so confused before the FRC.

Looks wise, Hannah Ann is so out of his league. He's not good looking or wealthy enough to date her in my opinion. So, she's not the loser if he doesn't want her.

If that's going to be acceptable, the other way round should be acceptable too, where the final four guys tell the Bachelorette that too. There should not be a double standard.

I know people criticized Lauren for taking Arie back without giving him a hard time (we don't really know but that was what was shown on the screen), but they started off on the right foot with that, on a positive note. Hearing that Peter had to toil and labour to win back Madison and her family's trust over something minor (at least not even as bad as what happened to Lauren) doesn't bode well for their future.

Assuming that is all that went down, he is worse than Arie to me. At least Arie took the risk and chose someone and then changed his mind. Peter wouldn't even take that risk and let Hannah Ann go before chasing down Madison. And I just don't get him trying to win over Madison and her family again. It is not like he cheated on her. At least not in the context of the show. How odd. Have some self respect Peter and Hannah Ann!

Damn, production are cowards. I'd love to see Kelley call them out and their rebuttal. It was so obvious in the last episode that Kelley's words were spliced and diced. Things can mean differently when it's taken out of context. She was never that arrogant before that episode and mostly minded her business so I will say something is up when her personality changed drastically. Oh well, she didn't miss much by not attending the Tell All anyway. I can't believe no one called out Victoria P for being a bold faced liar.

I highly doubt she didn't know he was going to propose. They set these kind of things up all the time. I think she just got carried away with it all and that's fine but that doesn't give me confidence that she knows exactly what she wants. She is a bit of a hopeless romantic and I see some aspects of Hannah Brown in her, a bit of a drama queen with bad taste in men, but less harsh than Hannah. Clare is pretty and bubbly so I will still watch her season, but hope she comes into it with confidence. Else it will be another hot mess train. I do like a bit of hot mess drama but it would be nice to have some "success" after the messes of Hannah B and Pilot Pete.

I was pro Clare until her last appearance on this franchise. Hasn't she been on this franchise even more times than Nick V? Juan Pablo's season of the Bachelor, 2 seasons of BIP and 1 season of the Winter Games, where she got engaged during the reunion show and then broken the engagement a month later. My impression of her is that she doesn't know what she wants yet even at her age. I hope that has changed, else this time round isn't going to work for her again.

Hometowns and this episode really changed my mind about Hannah Ann. I used to think she's just this young, immature and sorta dull girl but now I think she's just reserved and level headed. I like that she doesn't stir up unnecessary drama and her personality suits Peter's the most. Her expression when she was talking to Madi was gold. I didn't mind Madison telling Peter about her convictions and the ultimatum, because he's the one she's dating. But I cringe when she brought it up to the other 2 girls. It shows insensitivity and immaturity on her part. She's so concerned about her own feelings that she forgot she's talking to the two ladies that Peter might have done those intimate things with. So, how is that supposed to make them feel? She really didn't think. And I didn't like how she gently probed into how Hannah Ann's date went. It was uncomfortable for all involved. Madi annoyed me this episode starting from when she had no guts to tell Peter how she really felt after the rose ceremony. He kept trying to get a straight answer out of her but she kept saying things and then negating herself. Then during the fantasy suite date she sang a slightly different tune. It's almost like she was testing him and was pissed that he failed the test. Hate to break it to Madi but there is no way Peter will pass any of her tests. They are so incompatible.

She did? Granted I don't watch the episodes with full attention but isn't she going to tell him during the dinner date for fantasy suite? Or did she expressed during home towns that she can't be with him if he has slept with someone? Madison definitely seems less unstable than Luke. But the words she said during the preview is not different from Luke at all. Peter's reaction would be better than Hannah B's though. He won't flip the lid on Madison like Hannah did to Luke. Or perhaps he can tell Maddy "Jesus still loves me, my wife would not say this to me" or something to that effect to quote Hannah B.

Peter is so boring and dull that the dramatic women are making the season. I was hollering when Tammy and Sydney were having a row. Tammy is crazy but Sydney is worse because she acts holier than thou when she is just as mean or worse than Tammy. She told Tammy to STFU first but has the audacity to act outraged when Tammy said it back. So, Sydney's sob story is that her parents were divorced and she was "bullied" in high school. As if that makes her special. Lol! Besides she was probably the bully, like what she is now. I was already annoyed in the previous episode when she questioned Alayah if she worked. I wish Alayah had told her to mind her business back then. Peter never questioned any of the lying and manipulative drama queens but has the nerve to question Kelly about her intentions. I was glad she turned it back on him. Look in the mirror dude before making judgment on others. He fancies the likes of Sydney and Victoria F and P, who in my books are the trashiest of the lot, so he is in no position to question anyone's right reasons.

My impression of her being a cowering abused animal went out the window when she did that verbal lashing on Alayah. I literally went "man, that's harsh" when I was watching it. She's nasty.

Peter's season is really a mess and it is all down to how spineless he has been acting. Every season has crazy women or men and that's part of the drama of the Bachelor series, so at some point, the Bachelor/Bachelorette has the right to ask them all to stop or leave if they can't accept it. Plain and simple. But here, Peter is acting as if HE is the one vying to stay. And he should be clever enough to know that majority of the ladies will NOT walk out because they want the screen time and that's why they came onto the show. For goodness sake, I wish the producers talked some sense into him. He is the extreme opposite of Hannah B. Hannah will yell at the guys even when they are not bringing drama to her and talking among themselves. Victoria P is, plain and simple, a liar. There's no two ways about it. I don't know why Peter didn't call her out on it. When she is caught, all she could do was whine about how she has told Peter her deep dark secrets and cry hysterically, playing the victim. Damnnn, she reminds me of Caelynn (from Colton's season) with her habit of lying. What happens in the pageant world that make these girls such bold faced compulsive liars? It is quite scary. And Victoria F, well, she acts like a sweet girl, but she couldn't hide her nasty side when she confronted Alayah. I get her annoyance that Alayah was up in her business but there is no reason for such a nasty verbal attack. It really shows her true personality. Both Victorias are horrid. I don't think Alayah was truly in the wrong in any of it but she has the problem of not knowing how to behave to calm the drama. Immaturity.

Demi is the fakest of them all. Her ex, Kristian's friends would agree. Gross how the show is obsessed with Demi and Hannah B.

Adam and Fallon has too much chemistry with each other. I love this crazy show.

I found Alayah pretty on the show, at least without the cake on make up. So went to find her instagram to follow for eye candy but guess what. The pictures on her IG are even worse. I can't even recognise her in them, face full of clown make up. Why she chose to cover up her pretty face like this is baffling. Peter is really a dumbass. Just a small comment about another girl being 'on' for the camera got him panicking. I found him "fake" and putting on a show too during Hannah's season, so why is he making such a big deal about a small issue?

Love is the type who uses her childhood upbringing to justify her horrible acts. So her parents are absent and emotionally abusive. How does that justify her in becoming a serial killer? And I am surprised Forty was so forgiving about her letting him think he killed the au pair. Since that was a huge trauma for him, not only finding the body but thinking all these years he blacked out and killed someone? And it's suss that all of her victims so far are women.

I had forgotten how annoying Hannah was on her season on Bachelorette until I watch her on DWTS. She is still as uptight and whiny like how she was on the Bachelorette. She needs to chill out a bit. It's true relevancy is relative, so let's see what Hannah does from here on out. She doesn't have the best voice for a hosting gig though. Funny enough, out of all the previous Bachelor nation people, the people I enjoy following most on social media are Arie and Lauren. They just seem compatible and there is such an ease in their relationship. I know we shouldn't judge a couple by their SM but usually I can smell fakeness or a try hard but there is none I've sensed so far. Ironic because they are not the most popular Bachelor nation couple. In fact the other couple I enjoy are Rachel and Bryan and they are not well liked either. Lol.

Landon getting upset at Hope for not telling him when he would have done the exact same thing if he were in her shoes. And how does one suppose to break the news to people anyway? "Hey... you may not remember me but I'm your long lost forgotten girlfriend? So you should ditch your current gf and get back with me". Lol. And then if he didn't believe her, she would have to jump through hoops to convince him. Nah, what Hope did was perfectly reasonable and she wanted to maintain some dignity, can't say I blame her. I hope Landon makes up his mind quick, choosing one or none and doesn't string both girls along. I don't worry so much about Hope because she is a tough cookie but Josie seems so emotionally fragile.

I'm more intrigued by this season than season one. Season one was boring at parts when they focused too much on their day to day lives and love interests. I like them this season when they are more focused on the task at hand. Even with Macy and Harry, they acknowledged that they have feelings for each other but didn't dwell on it too much. The only thing I'd change right now is to give Mel her powers back. As with the original recipe Charmed, I found Piper's time stopping power to be the most effective and fun. So it was great to see the same with Mel during season one. That power is missed this season.

I still feel like Josie and Landon, sweet as they may be, only have friendship chemistry. I like them better together when they were being there for each other as friends. I don't like this scenario because Josie is bound to get hurt ultimately. I don't want to see the twins going through any more pain, because they are not very good at handling it. Hope goes through it often but she's already a battle hardened warrior, with what happened in her childhood. So she can handle most things now without going off the rails.