Dreamboat Annie

Aww, thank you! But time will tell whether it's valuable information or a load of nonsense. Whenever I think I might be onto something, this show is very good at proving me wrong. 😠 LOL I'm sure your gummies are just as great! I haven't had any of mine yet this week but I'm looking forward to rewatching at least those parts again when I do. 😄

I think the first one was for Kevin's future wedding, to whom I can't say, and they had Kate's included too to throw us off, yes. I know Madison pointed out that he wasn't dressed, so we knew right then that at the beginning of the ep he wasn't rehearsing for the called off wedding . I agree that he obviously couldn't use The Princess Bride reference at his own wedding unless it was to Sophie, but that could also be to throw us off.

Okay. So I did something last night I have never done. I re-watched some of an episode of This is Us. This episode. Kevin's wedding speech parts in particular. Sans any gummies whatsoever if anyone is wondering, lol. What I noticed and my opinions. Kevin rehearsing in front of the mirror at the beginning of the episode: Kevin exhales a deep breath through his nose and says rather seriously "Wow. First of all, you look absolutely beautiful". More deep breaths. Then "There's so many things I want to say to you today". Then "I guess I'll just start with the most important one: Mawage...". He then says "I can't do that - obviously". Obviously. After some hemming and hawing, he says "could get a laugh though". Then right after that, he's much more confident about using it, and happily says "right, it's gonna kill, it's gonna absolutely kill". - The first things he says are not said in a way a brother would think of saying them to his sister on her wedding day. - There's a door to his left (he's looking in a mirror) in the bathroom. - He obviously can't do that. - He is rifling through papers. Seems a bit nervous for a wedding that's not his own, and for someone used to the spotlight. - His hair is parted with his bangs combed to his left side. Kevin rehearsing in front of the mirror at the end of the episode. Kevin says "Yep, that's the one. People are going to love it!". - No door to his left in the bathroom unless he's standing somewhere else by then. - His hair, while still parted to the left, does not look quite the same and looks like a different hairstyle to me, and longer than in the first one. - No papers he could "rifle through" this time, only one small paper (Big Three Homes) folded in half. - When he sees Kate, he tells her she looks beautiful in a way that a brother would totally say it. - Kevin is so much more relaxed now because it's not his wedding. At the very end of the first speech "rehearsal", the lighting slightly changes (could be my TV lol) and Kevin is much more relaxed when he says "it's absolutely gonna kill", and his hair looks more like it does at the end. Then, in the one at the end, when he has become much more confident using "Mawage...", and says "that's the one, people are gonna love it" and it really does look like he is saying that on the heels of what he said at the end of the first one. So, we were lead to believe at first that Kevin at the beginning was rehearsing his speech for his later called off wedding. Then, at the end, we learn he wasn't - he was rehearsing all along for Kate's second wedding. I say those were not the same wedding at all. The first one near the beginning was not Kate's wedding - it was Kevin's. And not for the wedding Madison just called off. One that happens after that but before Kate's. When Madison arrived at Kevin's hotel room to call off the wedding, Kevin wasn't dressed for the wedding yet.

WHOA. Thank you for that link, debraran! I've always thought they were endgame based only on child Kevin's "I love her". But wow - those arguments are very compelling.

I know that. I know it is a sombre occasion for which they are gathering and no one is going to be jumping for joy. That is not what I meant. There have been numerous discussions regarding Toby's demeanor/appearance in that hotel room and queries as to whether he is possibly suffering from depression once again. I asked that simply because now we know that takes place post divorce from Kate, and I could see future Toby happily not married. As for awkward? I explained that in my post. This is the Pearson family. "Awkward" appears first in their hyphenated surname. I know! To be honest though it makes more sense to me than the Meghan Markle obsession, lol. Oh, I think caring for twin babies and raising them is a complex and long term project. Not to mention his busy acting career. Exactly. I really don't think this is about how Kevin chooses to spend his money. I see it more as this: "Randall, you're my favourite person." "Oh, Buuuuug, I love you so very much." "Kevin, go build that dream house." Separated at birth! 🍬😃

LOL!!! Okay, okay. Randall looks amazing shirtless. I will give you that. I guess he can take his clothes off, but definitely never, ever in the presence of either of his mothers (ghosts or not). He can even go skinny dipping. But how about just with Beth? Definitely never, ever with either of his mothers (ghosts or not). And hey, I was not high as a kite. I know this because when I am, more goldfish crackers land on the floor than on my lap. 😂 Hear! Hear! That is probably the best comment I have ever read about Randall's parentage whine fest. Even worse that Rebecca is now in a weakened state and he still won't give the poor woman a break. Did Malik tell Deja that he was actually going to Harvard or just that he applied there and was accepted? Because that would be a really convenient way to write Malik out. I have always suspected he would break up with Deja by telling her he had to "do the right thing" for Jenelle by being with Jennifer. Boston and Cambridge are literally right next to each other. Randall and Beth's daughters are still so young it's very unlikely they'd be with the people they're seeing now when they are adults. I hope they do this swiftly because with only 18 remaining episodes there doesn't seem to be extra time to spend on the relationships the girls had as young teens/tweens. In an interview with Dan Fogelman about this episode, he talked of Kate and Toby. He said that even the most loving marriages can end, and also that "marriage is not for everyone". I think he was talking about Toby, who I would believe doesn't remarry. After all this isn't Toby's first failed marriage. Kate is not his first wife. I don't recall - was Toby really miserable in the hotel room? And when he said something like "I'm not sure she'd want me there", was he talking about Rebecca or Kate? Do we know? Anyway, if it was Kate (or even Rebecca) perhaps their split was not amicable because (given this is the Pearson family) why else would Jack and Hailey's Dad not be wanted there?

So, Madison called off the wedding. Gee, no one here predicted that. No one. Nope.nope... Noooooo. She called off her wedding to the man she's in love with, the father of her children, but she did the right thing. For five seasons, we've watched these damaged souls navigate their way through their many issues and it turns out I was more riveted by the small parts of this one episode dealing with Madison's history. I was heartbroken for her. But proud of her for working through it and coming to the conclusion she did. She finally realized that she doesn't have to accept the little scraps she's thrown as being enough, because she deserves so much more than that. She doesn't deserve marriage to someone who is not in love with her. It explained a lot for me. Like for instance why, WHY, she kept trying so hard to befriend Kate back then when Kate was just awful to her. Ghastly. Scraps. I hope if they do revisit the Kevin Sophie thing, that that tooth comes out fast and the hole heals quickly. I'd like to see them together, only once though, Kevin bored, his mind wandering to a time when he and Madison were having fun together. Not with the babies too, just him and Madison. And he misses her. Then he says his final goodbyes to Sophie. Rebecca, Rebecca, Rebecca. You played that all wrong! You should have told Jack that the two leading ladies were going to engage in an all out catfight in the pool after one shoves the other in and falls in, too (wasn't there also a mud catfight?) and a tape with the episode you wanted to see would have magically appeared in 30 seconds or less. I didn't like the wedding re-enactment but I don't think it was done just for filler. For all the talking this family does, it showed the children that one grand gesture replaces the conflict, which is swept under the rug and ignored instead of being dealt with. I get it about hideous bridesmaids dresses which absolutely no one is comfortable wearing. But imo that's not what this was. I thought the dress was GORGEOUS, it looked like it was tailor-made for her and she was a knockout in it. Is there a name for that colour? It was hardly a pepto-bismol puffy, frilly dress. The colour seemed almost frosted. Beautiful. But it wasn't "her". In the past ten years or so (maybe more) we have been to weddings where the bridesmaids (more often if they are young - under 30) get changed after the ceremony and dinner, because they want to be more comfortable to enjoy the party. As a bride I would prefer that to being blindsided by a bridesmaid walking up the aisle having altered the dress I chose. Tess' behaviour on someone else's wedding day was unacceptable. I wonder if she would have apologized and told Beth she loved her if Beth had told her to suck it up (as she should have)? Tess seems to enjoy watching her mother nervously and awkwardly run circles around her, yet she claims to not want to be treated differently from her sisters. Hey, Tess - if you don't want to be treated differently, then don't behave differently (ie. like a spoiled brat). I was not shocked or even surprised by the ending. A few episodes ago, during one of Brit guy's rants, I said to my son "That is who Kate is going to end up with". My son was surprised to hear that but he knows that I find some aspects of this show predictable. What did it for me was his hate for her for no reason whatsoever. To me it was akin to pulling her ponytail in the playground, snatching her scrunchie in the schoolyard etc., lol. Not to mention that this type of thing is routine in TV Land, always complete with the predictable outcome. In this episode, he knew she could leave at any time but when faced with the possibility of never seeing her again, he came up with refusing to accept her resignation. I like Toby but I've never been sure if I liked Kate and Toby together. They never seemed to have found a way to work through their problems, and this could be wrong of course, but sometimes I got a weird vibe that Kate should feel like the lucky one in the relationship. Brit guy seemed so happy in the flash forward, like "I'm with Kate and I'm the luckiest guy ever!". Although my feelings about Kate have fluctuated over the years, she deserves that. Whether it really is Kate and Brit guy's wedding in that flash forward is anybody's guess (and I hope it is), but you can be sure that if Kate and Toby split, it won't be the Pearson blood family member who comes off as the jerk or the reason for the split. Oh Randy P! I'm so over Randall's identity crisis, we need a new word for over. Seeing him there once again, having an emotional talk with one of his mothers, tears streaming down his face, with babbling brooks, rivers and lakes all around, and all I could think was PLEASE LEAVE YOUR CLOTHES ON. Yikes. What I found is that this show is so much more fun to watch once your gummies have kicked in. Lesson learned.

I was reasonably convinced the episode before this one but now after this episode I am very convinced that it will be Madison who stops the wedding (because of the ending). The show won't do that to a Pearson. Kevin will remain the upstanding man who was ready and willing "to do the right thing" and marry the mother of his children. I like Kevin and Madison together but would prefer to see them fall in love and get married for that reason, not because they feel they have to. I really liked Sophie at first* but not anymore. Sophie is about Sophie. Kevin has bared the brunt of the blame for their split because he cheated on her. In this episode young Sophie appeared very selfish imo. She just wanted Kevin home to support her and her dreams and completely abandon his. He spoke of returning to Los Angeles because that's where you have to be if you want to audition** and she seemed both surprised and angry. She was not supportive at all. It's understandable she'd want to stay and finish school but school doesn't last forever. Many couples endure both short and long separations for school and work and many couples relocate for various reasons, and of course everyone knows there are no nursing jobs in California... . I don't know if the possibility of relocating came up but she didn't seem like she'd be on board with that. The problems for them were there long before Kevin cheated (no, I'm not condoning cheating). There was no need for her to call Kevin to "congratulate" him. She seems to enjoy the attention she gets from Kevin and has no problem leading him on. She did it at her mother's funeral and it looks like that's what she's doing now. She knows how he feels about her. "One call from me and we'll see if he goes through with this wedding." To make sure he's interested, make him concerned for you by being coyly mysterious about your phone number change - seems obvious to me it's because "Grant" was abusive and she just had no choice. Pull the damsel-in-distress stunt and Kevin will rush to your side, Sophie! The music throughout the entire episode was not upbeat, despite an upcoming wedding and bach/elorette parties. I thought it was actually ominous sounding. * A very touching scene was when 10 year old Kevin said so earnestly "I love her" about Sophie, which has always made me feel they are endgame. ** I know, New York is closer, but that's not where Kevin's dreams were. And nor were they on the stage of the community theatre near where Kevin and Sophie lived, lol.

So.. in this episode we learn how Mark died. Funny, but I seem to recall something different. Back when the revival first began, I could have sworn the explanation given for Mark's death was that he was killed while serving in Afghanistan. I even recall accepting that as the reason why Darlene would name her own son after him, because otherwise it would have made no sense to me. Darlene and Mark Sr. did not get along. She did not think much of him. She put him down and mocked him relentlessly. And, Darlene I believe would not have agreed if David had suggested naming their son after his bro (we were shown many times that Darlene "wore the pants" in that relationship). Even if Darlene and Mark had become closer off camera after the original show ended, I really don't think hitting a dear while riding a motorcycle would be a reason Darlene would name her son after him. After a war hero? Yes. After someone she never liked getting killed riding his motorcycle? I really don't think so. Since no one else remembers this, either it was another show or I'm losing my mind, lol.

The show handled the logistics of the airline tickets very poorly. But I maintain that the tickets were a gift to Darlene from Molly. Molly changed the ticket from her name to Ben's (so it was possible for her to transfer the name on the ticket, probably not for anyone else but I don't really care much about all that) as a courtesy to Darlene assuming that is who Darlene would want to take (and she was right). But the tickets were a gift to Darlene, not Ben and not to both of them. In fact Darlene said to Jeff in the very next episode "my friend gave me two first class tickets to Hawaii...". (Emphasis on "me" is mine, Darlene didn't say it with emphasis.) I don't need to see more of DJ if at all, and I have no use for Andy or Jerry. I'm glad the focus is on Dan, Jackie, Becky and Darlene and there seems to be enough going on with them, and they would just be filler at this point, unless they were used to help drive the main stories. In other words, I don't think they're needed, at least for now.

It annoys me because it would not have been any skin off their lazy asses to place "step" in front of "mom" for Jackie to say. And Ty Tilden was a single dad, dammit! LOL. I respect your opinion. It's been my experience that everyone I ever knew whose parent got remarried (after being widowed or "widowered"*) when they were teens (and there were many), never referred to the new step parent as "Mom" or "Dad", and never referred to the two of them as "Mom and Dad". It was always "Mom and Jim" or "Dad and Susan". Even after almost 30 years, even if they truly love the step parent, it's still "Mom and Jim" or "Dad and Susan". Well now that makes it even worse to me. No excuse for that level of carelessness. There would have been lots wrong with it. Like, for instance, neighbours see each other once in a while whether it's gardening/cutting the grass or snow shovelling or even just pulling up and getting out of your car. Although it sounds like Molly really didn't come home a lot, Darlene would have heard at some point that Molly got married (twice). Obviously they moved and live elsewhere in Lanford, as I was reminded about the nudist couple living there. But Mrs. Tilden placing several notes in the Conners' mailbox sounds like a (geographically close) neighbour thing. I can't see anyone driving over several times just to place notes in the mailbox - if you're going to bother driving over, you're ringing the doorbell to ask for your casserole back. And evidently after the two families hadn't been in contact for 28 years, they attend Roseanne's funeral and gathering after? The whole thing was just so poorly done. I actually really liked this episode, but they so could have handled the resurrection of Molly much better and seems to me it would have been very easy. * Credit Annie Reed, lol.

LOL I forgot about that! Thank you.

I don't see why there would be any "compromise". Ben was not the one gifted the tickets. Darlene chose to invite him (not give him one of the tickets), and he turned it down. End of his involvement. I thought that at first, too, then I remembered that by the time the Tilden family disappeared from the show, Molly would have been 15. I don't recall who was older, Charlotte or Molly, but both would have been older teenagers when Ty got married, unless he met and married someone within the year. They still were not young children or even adolescents (who would be more likely to call their stepmom "Mom") when he got married, and would not have had much time with her, if any, by the time they left their Dad's house. The only reason this sticks out to me is because it was just so half assed and lazy of them. I could be wrong, but I think the whole point of bringing Molly back was to show that Darlene wasn't having any fun. She had been having a very rough time and Molly introduced fun into Darlene's bleak life. And Molly showed her that there's nothing wrong with, and that it's okay, even necessary, to have some fun at least once in a while. It's called living.

Ty Tilden was a widower raising his two daughters as a single father. At the end, when Jackie said "Molly's mom delivered this for you", there would be no reason whatsoever not to say "Molly's stepmom...". The Tilden family disappeared without explanation and were not mentioned again on Roseanne. Do they still live next door? (Jackie said "Darlene's aunt from next door" when she first saw Molly*, although I suppose she could have meant from decades ago) and there would be all sorts of things wrong with that. Darlene knew "Mrs. Tilden", presumably from Roseanne's funeral**. Yes, I agree - why not just Wings Hauser as Ty Tilden? That was just a bizarre and very haphazard call back to the Tilden family. Again, yes, going to Hawaii for four days when it takes at least a full day to get door to door, which would be two days out of the four does not make sense. And I really doubt Molly would have two first class airline tickets without having made reservations at a nice hotel for the two of them. But I'm willing to overlook those things to say this. Molly's gift to Darlene has absolutely nothing to do with Ben. Darlene invited Ben and she can invite whomever she likes. That does not mean he gets to say what should be done with the tickets. Darlene has had a crappy time and deserves to go. Ben, if he doesn't want to join her, should have encouraged her to go. Then after he bullies her to cash them in, he leaves? You want them cashed in, YOU do it, jerk. They will always need extra money but the opportunity to go to Hawaii first class will not always be there. Darlene is not obligated to pay for anyone else's rehab. But I do think Darlene should take Becky to Hawaii with her. No drinking, just two sisters away together for a few days. I think the notion that Ben cash in "his" ticket and Darlene should go alone is very unfair and unreasonable. Ben did not receive the tickets as a gift. * I hadn't seen Danielle Harris since Roseanne and thought she was completely unrecognizable. I don't know how Jackie would have known that was Molly Tilden. ** Anyone who knows the Conners and leaves something of value (sentimental or otherwise) at their house deserves whatever they get, lol.

It's not a dream world for some of us. It's just common sense and good manners mixed with a genuine desire to have good relationships with your children and grandchildren. I guess my husband and I lucked out. My mother and my mother-in-law are the kindest, most helpful, least judgmental and least interfering people I have ever known.

Beth's mother was being a total bitch. I am a fan of Phylicia Rashad, but Beth's mother was being a total bitch. When you are a guest in someone's home, whether you stayed with the kids while their parents were away, doesn't matter, you do not get to judge. Anything. You conform to their way of doing things while you are there. You do not criticize a single thing, and heaven forbid you do not judge. For a mother or a mother-in-law, you do not say a word. You do not offer your advice unless asked. You display your very short memory meaning there are no past grievances to air. You do this because having contact and a relationship with your child and your grandchildren is very important to you. You're so nice that they actually want you to stick around. You are there to help and if you can't do that then off you go. She was picking on the kids, she was picking on Beth. She was staring down her nose at Randall (I know! I would, too, lol, but it's not her house!). With that rant over, I can say that I felt very sorry for her when she was describing her loneliness and how quiet her own house had become. I'm glad she's staying but I really hope she can be of help and not a judgmental bitch. Beth telling Randall that his relatives have treated their house like "a Ramada Inn" and it's her turn now did make me laugh because it's true, but the difference is that I didn't see Randall's relatives being nasty at any time to anyone who lives there. I'm still liking Madison a lot. She obviously has her own money, her house is very nice for a single woman on her own, and she made it very clear to Kevin she wasn't asking for his involvement, financial or otherwise, it was his choice to be involved in any way he wanted. She wanted to stay in her house where she was comfortable, and Kevin completely accepted that. I think Madison and Kate's friendship was addressed, albeit a little swiftly and haphazardly. But, they hugged and remarked how wild it was that they both had embarked on motherhood and had new born babies. With this show, I have to assume many things happened off camera, like these two friends have been in constant contact (there are way many more examples of why I feel this way, not with Kate and Madison but others, but those are other episodes). At first I thought it was very unfair of Kevin to offer up his (HER) home and their nanny and, consequently, Madison, to Kate and Toby for childcare, without even consulting Madison about it first. Madison just had twins herself, and if it were me I would not have been on board for another two children to come into the fold to be taken care of on a full time basis. But then I remembered what good friends Kate and Madison are, and that made all the difference. Either that, or Madison really is very, very nice! I think Kate is alive in the future. At least, I hope she is. But Kate and Toby are a couple who seem to have not found a way to work out their differences. I could see Toby with Ellie. Her wry one liners are just like his, and she seems just as stubborn or more so than Toby. I hope not, though. But Kate seemed to appreciate the nice attention she got from her next door neighbour - didn't he help her out by babysitting Jack at one point? Hmmm... Okay here goes. I should probably have put this in the unpopular opinions thread, lol, but it pertains to this episode. I think Randall was right to talk to Malik about Jennifer. I didn't see that he was not putting his daughter first by doing that. He knows she's 15. SHE'S 15. That is not old enough to be serious about anyone or anything. Deja has a boyfriend and she is as committed as any 15 year old would be, possibly more, but SHE'S 15. Yes, there are many, many stories of high school sweethearts getting married and staying together 4ever (!), please spare me those accounts. But if we've been shown anything, it's how upstanding and honourable Malik is. That is why Deja will never be able to compete with the mother of his child. No contest there. Whether it's Malik professing his love for Deja as he goes back to Jennifer because he needs to "do the right thing for Janelle", or whether it's Deja telling him it's over because he should be with the mother of his child, this has break up written all over it. Deja deserves so much better than someone who can only ever be half in, and Randall knows it. It won't look bad on him that he was supportive.

I like Madison. There. I said it. I'm grateful for an unpopular opinions thread. I don't feel she deserves the hate she gets. Full disclosure, when we were first introduced to her, I couldn't stand her. She was incredibly annoying to me, being in a support group where I felt she didn't belong. Those people were struggling, really struggling, and here was this gorgeous, thin blonde acting as though she had the same problems they did. In time we learned that she did have a legitimate eating disorder and was trying to come to terms with it and deal with it as best she could just like everyone else. She became a very, very good friend to Kate. One that Kate did not deserve at the time. But Kate obviously grew to like her very much in return and appreciate her and her friendship. She was very nice and kind and supportive of the family while in the hospital waiting room. I understand that is a very stressful time, but they weren't even gracious, and Kevin was an asshole to her. She just took it and did what she wanted to do for Kate (and for them) instead of letting them decide for her that she shouldn't be there. I find that commendable because I would have left. It was not her doing alone that she got knocked up by Kevin. She did the right thing by telling him, considering she was not seeking his involvement or his money. And from what I've seen (and yes, I know I'm being manipulated by this show but it's what this show does!) I think Kevin and Madison would be great together. There have been some moments that looked like they were falling for each other, but not recently. Now they have her nagging and needy, and she was not that before. I don't like when shows blatantly cave to fans when that was not the plan (think Sex and the City with Carrie and Big). I do like Sophie but not Kevin and Sophie together. They've been there. Done that. Twice. There was a reason it didn't work out. Twice. And even after TWICE, Sophie was grieving the loss of her mother and Kevin was there for her. She did seem to like the attention she was getting from him, but also seemed fine letting him down to go back into the house without him and back to Grant (?), her fiance. If they are endgame, and always were, I can live with that! Who could forget the face of sweet 10 year old Kevin when he said, about Sophie, so earnestly and sincerely "I love her". But I find Madison very sweet and have come to like her very much. Unless I'm missing something. Am I?

Not sure, but I think the powers that be are sticking to their timeline of ending the show after six seasons. If so, it looks to me like there could be a spinoff featuring Randall and Beth and the girls. I wouldn't be completely averse to this, as Randall and Beth were my favourite couple for the first few seasons. I still love Randall and Beth (mostly Beth right now, lol). Has anyone heard anything about spinning off any of the characters? It could be any of the Big Three spun off, but I think that Randall inheriting an OMG!-Farmhouse!-On!-A!-Lake!-In!-New!-Orleans!!!! seems just a little too random. And they come complete with three (almost) teenagers. Though through the magic of television, and as this show is known to do, with flash forwards, flashbacks and time jumps, anyone could have teenagers. I don't even know if I'd watch, this could be just me anticipating possible withdrawal symptoms when it ends. Yes, for all my criticisms, I still know I'd miss it.

I like Hai. A lot. I liked the way he did not indulge Randall's brattiness (Randall is not used to that, lol). Instead, he continued carrying out the business he likely promised the love of his life he would do if possible. I could see it going something like this. "Hai, don't make it your life's mission to find my son (because I sure didn't), but if you ever were able to somehow find him, please see that he's given my house he inherited as per my will." I really liked that Hai has a family (children and grandchildren) of his own, and doesn't care or need to care about mollycoddling Randall. It's refreshing - finally this is one fringe character who is not itching to be a part of the Pearson family. Ironic, since he's a fringe character that I wouldn't mind seeing more of. Speaking of fringe characters. Laurel is a fringe character, making Auntie Mae fringe-fringe. I don't see why we need to know any of a fringe-fringe character's life story. If a prior family estrangement was necessary to show us why a relationship with Auntie Mae was forbidden, there are many other reasons for estrangement besides having a baby out of wedlock. Just saying.... We all know that simply grabbing some keys does not a home owner make. But I'm glad to have been spared the monotony of watching the house officially become Randall's. However, because the way Hai found Randall is so ridiculous, we should be shown it's all legit. A quick call to the girls would accomplish that. "Hi Girls, we're all packed up and we'll be on the road as soon as this meeting with lawyers to sign some papers is done. See you soon!". Was it mentioned how long Beth and Randall would be away? The two older girls might be okay to spend a few nights alone but not with the responsibility of caring for younger Annie. Maybe Beth's mother was there. Regardless, if the girls were a few years older, part of me would hope that Deja and Malik spent the whole time boinking each other's brains out and that Tess and Annie threw a huge party. Kidding, but that's how annoying I find Randall sometimes. Also, does anyone else think the girls seem older than they are? I didn't hate this entire instalment of This Is Randall (yes, I know that's been said, but it's actually what my son and I call this show), and I've invested too much in it to stop watching now, but the murky water screaming nearly did me in. That was nonsense. I didn't even find it the slightest bit original or creative in any way. I will definitely remember it as the moment the show turned for me. I know what this show is, but I know they're capable (or used to be) of much better than that. Just cheap and cheesy and very poorly done. And predictable. As soon as Laurel walked into that water and began her scream, I turned to my son and said: "See that? Before the hour is up, Randall will walk into that water and scream. No question about it". I gave the show too much credit to have predicted ghost mom, though. Never again will that happen. I will predict all the cheesiness I possibly can. Not even SKB's acting (overacting?) could save it for me. It might as well have been Fonzie there on my screen, water skiing.

I'm trying to become interested in the newbies. I didn't care about any of them when the interview process began, all six (?) of them, the two they rejected or the four they hired. All during this episode my mind kept wandering despite my trying to stay interested. I didn't even bother with the last half hour. Hopefully that will change because I don't want to stop watching this show. I also couldn't stand Morgan at first but she did grow on me. I think she's wonderful with Shaun, and that was unexpected. She's blunt (so is he, so maybe he appreciates that) while always being patient with him, and kind to him without being condescending at all. I'm not sure how I feel about Morgan and Park (if that's where they're headed). I don't think there's chemistry between them, but that could be because I didn't see it coming. What I do see coming however, which I think could be THE romantic relationship of the season and beyond is between two other main characters. While it could have people wondering why there can't just be a strong female friendship between two women, I'm getting a vibe that they're possibly going there with Claire and Lim.

Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I've been away from this forum for so long and have read many pages, but certainly not all of them! I think Miguel is not well, it was very subtle, but it was there. He gave a "look" at one point when everyone was discussing Rebecca's situation that seemed to me might have meant something. No way is he going to burden Rebecca and her family with what they are already going through. Like I said, it was very subtle and maybe I read something into it that wasn't there.

I agree. I just don't think he saw it that way. I agree. Shaun would be an excellent candidate for therapy. I wonder if he's refused it because he thinks talking to Dr. Glassman is enough for him. But now we've seen he needs more than that in order to be equipped to handle. It will be interesting to see what the writers do with this going forward. Same here! I could see them having a great time together! And now that Shaun has discovered he's an ardent fan of sex, I would enjoy seeing him restore her faith in the activity (maybe she can be his science project!). I laugh out loud with those two - they are both bluntly honest -loved it when Shaun was seeking advice and when he got to Morgan, he started with a very matter-of-factly "You're the most selfish person I know...", and she displayed no adverse reaction to it. And at least we know that girl wouldn't sugar coat anything!

I'm going to forgive Shaun. He is not equipped to cope with the intense emotions associated with unrequited love. When something is very important to him, he is used to working at it until the desired result is achieved*. So when he was willing and eager to take on Lea's faults and eccentricities and was still rejected, it was all too frustrating and disappointing for him. * I think that's why it couldn't work with Carly. He wanted to want that, he tried to want that but, in the end, he just didn't. I think that woman is Morgan.

THIS. Also, I really think Carly was surprised and bugged to hear Lea was going to be working at the hospital. She probably thought she effectively got rid of her by having her booted out of Shaun's house. Kind of like the Grinch thinking he successfully stopped Christmas from happening and was surprised when Christmas was still there. Shaun and Lea are close friends and she can hardly be expected to go away just because Carly has a problem with their friendship. I sincerely hope Carly wants to work through this and is not the type of person who manipulates their bf into cutting people out of his life for her. I hope Shaun's first (?) romantic relationship does not prove to be an unhealthy one. And about her knowing Shaun. Seriously. Given the time and effort it took for the two of them to even hold hands, in what world is she thinking he's going around boinking other people? And she will have to learn to appreciate and trust the emotional connection that she and Shaun have, rather than concern herself with the emotional connection that Shaun and Lea have. She should already as she does know him. The little girl was super adorable, and she could really act. I can't say the same about the actress who played her mother, though. That was cringe-y to watch. That small child was acting rings around her "mother" lol.

Carly is such a downer. What a drip she is. I liked her at first and tried to keep liking her but now I just... don't. She wasn't interesting to me even with all the "parade" talk. I know the "parade" talk wasn't showcasing her, it was about his colleagues giving advice and having some fun with it, but at that point I couldn't have cared less if that sour, dour woman had a "parade" or not. It's like the whole story has simply run its course, and she can leave any time now. When she smiled at the end (looking to me like she waited to smile), all I could think was: "Yep, that's right, Carly - make sure Shaun never sees you smile. You can't have him thinking you're happy for once".