Umbelina

Good rule to know.

Kim needs to go. I don't want to watch her die. Kyle needs to stay. Every show needs a self centered bitchy mean girl without skill. They run on that.

Since Kyle will "apologize" again, can we also expect the screaming, histrionics, and the double bird, with "FUCK YOU!" and then lots of tears again?

No. She said "I'm sorry for "touching" you."

She said it right before she started screaming about how Brandi doesn't know ANYTHING about Kim. I'm sorry for "touching" you BUT it was all your fault I did, and you suck. Basically. It wasn't a real apology.

Who knows if Kim did or didn't? It's not an uncommon disease. I was only answering the question about AB, not vouching for Kim's account of her health. ;) I still think it's more likely something to do with her new boobs, or something embarrassing to her, like female organ troubles.

What brought Lisa to tears was Brandi's words/actions/lies, not Kyle's, but Brandis. Yes, because Lisa expected it from the snake Kyle, but she really WAS friends with Brandi. Lisa will get back at Kyle. Funny, back when last season aired, I said, "Kyle will dump Brandi now, she served her purpose." Stupid Brandi didn't get it, and I'm still not sure if she does, but it was obvious to me then, and proven true now. Obviously, as I said, Kim didn't get the memo either. She still dislikes Lisa, and thought "they" were friends with Brandi.

I don't think Kyle "had a hand in it." I think she orchestrated the whole thing. She's been trying to take over Lisa's Queen Bee spot every single season. Last season, she finally brought Lisa to tears, and brought her down.

We saw a LOT of it. Including Kyle looked like the cat that swallowed the canary as Brandi, Yo, and Kim attacked Lisa, and Carlton SAID Kyle was the one who made sure she was uninvited. Why? For one reason, someone besides Ken would have been trying to stop the attack. There is plenty of evidence for my theory, some of which I stated. More importantly, it explains the Kim/Brandi dynamic THIS season. That's where it began. Much to Kyle's chagrin, Kim and Brandi stayed friendly, something Kyle never intended to happen, since Kyle was going to dump her, her purpose served.

Agree. That's why I love Lisa. She likes her revenge served cold. One down. Brandi. Kyle? Don't think you won't be next. Yo and Kim? Your illnesses may save you.

We don't know how long she was sick. Bronchitis, then turning into pneumonia, both can really linger for months. Mine was Bronchitis, then strep, then pneumonia on top of the strep. You can tell when your temp soars a few days after you finish the last AB, or if the AB doesn't control your temp, breathing worsens, lung scans worsen, many ways. At least that was my case. I was sick for a LONG time, with days of feeling better mixed in, but the minute I finished the AB, it soared back. The first time we just did another round of the same (first) AB about 3 days after I stopped the first round and my temp jumped back up to 103. It was miserable. Anyway, the only point was, sometimes one AB won't work, and another will. (Mine was hiding from the AB in my kidneys, eventually we flushed it out of there and the AB killed the little suckers!) ha. There was a nasty strain of pneumonia going around the Pacific Coast last year. My friend, who never gets sick, got it. The doctor put her on Z pac, which did nothing. Two weeks after that, Augmentin for 10 days, which really helped. She was pretty out of it for about 6 weeks. It was more of a "walking pneumonia," but it sucked.

I really think this is what happened. Last season Kyle finally succeeded in doing what she's been trying to do since Lisa V emerged as the Queen of this particular bunch, and Kyle, the loathed selfish bitch after attacking Kim in the limo. She brought Lisa down. How did Kyle do that? Secret weapon Brandi. Brandi was actually friends with Lisa. However, Lisa kept bringing Sheannaea around, and as we all know, there is no way Brandi is over being pregnant and having that woman not only be fucking her husband during that time, but also going on TV to talk about it. I think Kyle kept planting little affirmations to Brandi's mounting resentment of Lisa promoting her show on Brandi's pain. "It's weird that Lisa keeps blindsiding you like that, it must really hurt Brandi." progressing to Kyle sharing all of Lisa's past hurts to Kyle, and "that's just who she is" or "she keeps getting away with doing this to us" and then zeroing back in on how awful it is for Brandi's supposed FRIEND to exploit her pain. In other words, nudging it along. Kyle is the one who made sure that Carlton was not invited to Puerto Rico, according to Carlton's interviews and blogs. Why? Because Kyle had rallied everyone to be anti-Lisa. I don't believe Brandi is organized or smart enough to have rallied the others, and Kyle is the one who has been trying to do this for YEARS. Kim was easy, just remind her that Lisa didn't even bother to come to the party she threw, and the whole Europe thing. Yo? Who knows? They seem to have issues going back to Mohammed. So, anyway, Kim was all happy, she wasn't the one being attacked, and the women (not Lisa and Carlton) banded together. Kim and Brandi became closer because of that. Flash forward to now, this season. Kyle is done with Brandi, but Kim didn't get the memo. Kyle has always hated Brandi, she simply used her to take Lisa down a few pegs, and probably planned to dump her/go back to hating her as soon as that was done. After all, she wasn't going to be friends with the crass Brandi, she was merely a tool. So Kim and Brandi remained friends. Monty is dying. Two wedding to plan. All kinds of trouble about Kim's dog. Kim begins to panic, and Kyle is over it. So Kim calls Brandi in the middle of the night when it's all too much, and they become closer. During one call Brandi was frightened enough to call Kyle, and Kyle ignored the cry for help. Brandi doesn't want to be Kim's only lifeline, but doesn't want to leave her with no one to call, all alone, amid all of the death/dog/wedding stuff either. Brandi begins to resent Kyle, and suspects (and personally, I think this is true) that Kyle will begin acting caring and concerned for Kim once cameras start rolling. Brandi is now carrying the Kim burden Kyle dropped, oh, and surprise surprise! Friends with Lisa again! Brandi beginning to realize Kyle is over her, she's no use to Kyle anymore. I don't know if she gets that Kyle used her like a machine gun to wound Lisa or not. So, Kyle acts all concerned for Kim, AND tries to get it all on camera on Poker night. Brandi's suspicions are confirmed. She tries to get Kim out of there, to avoid further humiliation for Kim on camera, but Kyle repeatedly grabs her and makes a scene. That's what I really feel is happening here. It makes all of them wrong, for different reasons. I would have no problem with Kyle being over Kim's issues. Or with Kyle not wanting to deal with them anymore. That is totally understandable, and probably a healthy choice. What I DO have a problem with is pretending concern ON CAMERA, but ignoring Kim off camera. I also have a problem with Kyle once again using someone to do her dirty work. This season? Lipsa. I don't even blame Lipsa, and I doubt she even knows she's been conned into being Kyle's mouthpiece here. But IMO, she has. Big time. Meanwhile dumbo Kim is all, "Wait, LAST season it was OK to be friends with Brandi? Remember all those meetings we had to bad mouth Lisa and make our Puerto Rico attack plans? She's our friend, right? Huh?" Also, Brandi IS the one who takes Kim's calls when she's scared and panicked. Kyle no longer does. Forcing Kim to choose the (absent) Kyle, over the (there for her) Brandi is somehow very cruel to me.

Sequentially, yes. If the first doesn't work, and the 2nd doesn't work. It happened to me. I went through 4 different progressively stronger kinds of AB one miserable 4 months in the early 90s. Not all at once. Kyle doesn't have to. Her good buddy Lipsa is doing it for her. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Take the money and run Saul!

Brandi did nothing wrong at that party. She even took Kyle screaming in her face well. Kyle's no saint, she's a screeching, attention grabbing harpy who caused a scene all by herself.

Yet, less than two days out she screams endlessly at her sister, and double birds her while saying FUCK YOU loud enough for everyone in the place, and the cameras, thus America, to hear it?

I love that they are playing all the episodes in order again tonight, to let people catch up before the new one. I don't know how long they will keep it up, but it's cool.

A normal life, never knowing about her parents occupation, never having to deal with the crap he and Elizabeth deal with every day. Pretty much what all parents want for their kids. They will continue to spy, Paige will grow up and lead her own life, probably in America. Philip likes America, or at least the opportunities, available toilet paper and fruit, and the government not deciding your job or housing.

How is she lying, she didn't say she had a procedure, that was a Brandi slip. I'm just trying to look at all sides to this, and what would Kim fail to mention IF she had a procedure? Maybe screwing up her new boobs? Maybe cancer? Maybe a female operation. There are many possibilities. I've never thought it odd that she wasn't on oxygen, yet it's been brought up many times. She did say she was over the pneumonia, so why on earth is that "missing" from her hospital photo? If Brandi only lies, why does anyone believe her about the patch? Also then leap to the conclusion it's Fentayl, and then that she stole it as well? Maybe she lied about the procedure as well, or Kim lied to her? Anyway, just trying to break it all down to what may or may not be true. We know she was in the hospital, we say the photo. We don't know how long she was there. We know what she said she had done, and what she said was wrong. My question is, what would she lie about? If it was rehab, I'd think Kyle would have been thrilled and been talking to her again, so cross that one off. (etc)

ALL Better Call Saul / NO Breaking Bad Talk Allowed ALL Better Call Saul Talk, If You Break Bad here, you will be jailed. Well, we could just keep it plain and simple. Frankly, I really don't think it will have that many posters, but giving them their own thread seems like a good idea. I don't intend to post here, because it's much to easy too accidentally slip.

She never said she was hospitalized for pneumonia, did she? She said she was hospitalized for the complications she suffered back WHEN she had it. (Cracked rib, "hernia" and back issues.) I still think it's something "female" if indeed she did have a "procedure."

The pneumonia was over. She wouldn't have needed oxygen if it was just at the occasional coughing stage. She could have cracked the rib during that though, and it became worse later. IF any of that was true.

I'm still wondering about the "procedure" comment from Brandi. Honestly, I can believe that Kim was getting over pneumonia, and even that it cause a cracked rib, that became more noticeable or worsened over time or with strain. Many people her age also have bulging disks, and they can act up anytime, and be quite disabling at times. The hernia? Maybe. None of those would be likely to cause a longish hospital stay though. What kind of "procedure" would Kim not want people to know about? I can think of many, including a hysterectomy for various reasons, some of which could be quite painful, or possibly dangerous, and might keep her in the hospital for a while. I also wonder, does anyone know when she got her new boobs? Maybe a complication from that if her pneumonia came on soon after the surgery and she was violently coughing? I can't see Kim wanting to tell the truth about ANY "female parts" type surgery, so I'm kind of leaning to those as possibilities. She so wants to still be "young" and get parts (like Revenge) and it wasn't so long ago she delusionally talked about having more kids. I think it would embarrass her to discuss pumping up the boobs, or removing ovaries or whatever.

Thinking of all of this, I really like looking at that interview (media thread) with the actress who plays Paige. She's actually Paige's age, and a typical American KID. She says things like "cool!" about being a spy, but of course, she's saying that as an actress, in real life, it's easy to see what it would do to a child that age when you see her innocence in that interview. Imagine if her real life parents told her they were traitors, and had lied to her, and now she would be expected to spy for Russia. Yeah, not so cool.

Paige living for an extended time in the USSR would certainly red flag any future sensitive jobs they might want her to get here though. Face it, if she freaks, they either take her back to Russia, or shoot her in the head. She would be too big of a risk to their very embedded team, her mom and dad. More likely a "car accident" than a bullet though. I know that in the late eighties at least that major surgery was being performed in the Ukraine without even aspirin available. It happened to my friend's dad, who, of course, died on the table. Some kind of heart surgery (and his dad was a heart surgeon!) So pulling a tooth? Seriously, no biggie.