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I haven't seen the other two, but in Westworld she was William's estranged daughter (Emily, I think?) in season 2.

Just finished reading Leviathan Falls, and here's my take on what was going on there: At some point Miller tells Holden that the whole gate setup was created, and powered, by the builders basically pushing a "bubble" from our universe into another one. Using the gate space apparently causes some distress to the things that live in that other universe, and when the gates are used beyond a certain amount, the things lash out. Laconia's "experiments" were the last straw. What Holden does at the end, I think (though Abraham and Franck never spelled it out that I could see, curse them), is to pop that bubble, removing any connection between the universes and disconnecting the rings. This wouldn't have any effect on the protomolecule, which was always just a tool the gate builders used for getting things done, both to create stuff and to operate the stuff once created, and not some product of the gate space (i.e., the protomolecule made the gate space, not the other way around).

Yeah, overall, I think this was the show's second-weakest season (after the painfully overstretched Season 3). And the big reason is that the showrunners and writers didn't take the time to work out logical plot lines for Dan re his guilt and Rory with ... well, everything about her motivations and attitudes. I started rewatching and realized the hugest mistake they made was right in the beginning when they decided to try to fake us into thinking Rory would be the Big Villain for Season 6, by having her be nasty and contemptuous with everyone she met at first (and wait, we're also supposed to believe she's never seen pictures of her sister's dad before and wouldn't recognize his name and face down in Hell?) and ranting evilly about how she aimed to "destroy" Lucifer. They set her up as the villain so thoroughly that I thought it was just a trick when she told Chloe they were mother and daughter; it took me forever to be sure it wasn't. Really clumsy switch-up, guys. The second-biggest mistake with the Rory plot line was not ever letting her give up on the bitterness, even after she and Lucifer connected through their music. ( That bit was nicely done; by that point, when BH shows up with the guitar and it's clear she's going to sing, I'm expecting something lower, rougher, emo and alt-rock-ish, and instead we get an uplifting classic, which she does a really good job with.) But then that all gets spoiled later on when they have Rory lose her shit yet again ... over never having had a family game night like Trixie did, of all things. I think in general, the Lucifer crew was at its worst when they were given too much to work with -- in Season 3, when Fox out-of-the-blue ordered up a way longer episode count (22 plus the 2 extras, IIRC) than the show had ever gotten before, and now, when everyone on the show was already totally geared up for ending with Season 5.

This is the only way this storyline could possibly work -- that he needed to confess to the daughter who admired him that he'd been a bad person and not worthy of emulating. (Unfortunately, she didn't get the message because she didn't know it was actually coming from him, but he couldn't help that.) If not that, then the whole guilt/Hell rationale makes no sense. "Guilt" isn't supposed to mean "regret," it just means "responsibility for wrongdoing" -- i.e., if you knowingly do something wrong, then you're guilty. (When people say "I feel guilty about that," they mean "I feel like I did something wrong"; whether they feel bad about that is up to them.) If Hell is just about regret, then Pete's waiting for Ella up in Heaven, which doesn't sound particularly heavenly for anyone.

Another classic was Reese's (Linda's journalist ex-husband) whiteboard when he was investigating Lucifer and associates. Under Charlotte Richards' entry it said something like this: LOVER? MOTHER? WTF???

IIRC, when Rory brought that up, she said something to the effect that she'd thought Chloe being about to die was the one thing that would bring Lucifer back from wherever he'd vanished to, and it was his still not showing up that sent her into her time-travel-inducing rage.

Now I want to go back to Ep. 8 to see if any of this was on Lucifer's "Operation Payback" whiteboard.

Well, damn. Did not expect them to go there. Maybe Dad's just playing a little game with his kids to prove a point?

It was his former partners in crime, the ones who got into the shootout with Chloe. The dialogue was a bit rushed, but they said they killed him and took his hand to get the loot he owed them from a past job.

Don't worry: There are another eight episodes of Season 5 still to come, and Netflix has renewed it for a sixth season.

Because at this point, he still thinks he has to return to Hell and let Amenadiel go home, and the only thing that had been keeping him on Earth was dealing with Michael's mess, which he's done, as best he could.

I'm thinking Michael's grand plan was just to force Divine Intervention. Now he'll get to take credit for getting Dad to suspend His "you've all got your free will, let's see how you use it" hands-off policy.

Actually it kind of does, because while she's been immune to his charms from the start, he wasn't vulnerable around her at first -- in the very first episode, he wasn't wounded when record producer Jimmy (John Pankow's character) shot him after shooting Chloe. It was at some point after their first case that he became that way, maybe even at the moment he yelled "Shoot me, Detective!" Amenadiel's point, I think, was that God's gift was to her -- letting her choose Lucifer, or not, rather than be helplessly sucked in by his mojo -- and Lucifer also, subconsciously, gave her the complementary gift of letting her hurt, even kill, him if she chose to.

I think you're right that he's been mentioned, and in contexts that imply neither Lucifer nor Amenadiel can stand him. IIRC, most recently, in a Season 4 episode Linda suggests "Michael" as a baby name, and Amenadiel replies something like "Not Michael!"

Her hair's darker and worn differently (in fact, a couple different styles appear in the various scenes), and I think they've changed her makeup too; for one thing, the beauty mark by her right eye is more prominent than before.