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I am DEAD! You just killed me, lol. I agree! I actually think that it bothered Kail that Isaac always came first for Jo and she didn't. It always pisses me off when she tries to make it seem like Jo isn't a good father when we all know that she did everything she could to limit what he could do as a father. Hell, his family let her ass stay in their home after she and Jo broke up so that Isaac had stability. I have to wonder if Kail even watches her own show or even the OG Teen Mom. When you have examples like Adam and even Ryan you ought to be going out of your way to be thankful that you have Jo as your son's father.

I agree with this. Lean cheated on Cory for similar reasons. He worked too much and when he came home he was too tired to look her way and she felt unwanted and undesirable. Leah just has a problem period. Low-self esteem, self-absorbed, etc. Just like Jeremy knew what he was getting into, Leah knew what she was getting into as well. She didn't pick men with regular 9-5s. They both had jobs that allowed her to sit at home with the kids and she had the show. I wish I had a set-up like that (not the MTV thing or the multiple baby fathers).

You guys shouldn't worry about Karl (I love that nickname too!!) she has her Scentsy business and her clothing line. She's going to be rolling in dough when TM2 ends, dontcha know! *eyes rolling so hard right now* I am also doubtful that Jo isn't working. How does he purchase a home/maintain a mortgage without a job? AND if he doesn't have a job, then how does he pay anything in CS at all? None that of that makes sense. His TM2 check can't possibly sustain him for very long. I do agree that Jo should get his payments handled by the courts. You can't have side deals and agreements with someone like Karl. She is too vindictive and shady. If he DOES decide to pay her when she needs it, he better get receipts and have her sign something, even though that doesn't always work. At least he will have proof just in case she lies and says he doesn't give her anything.

I was so into this show last season but I could not make it past 20 minutes of this first episode. Everyone seems so fake and like they're acting in a low-rent black stage play. Ray J, my once guilty pleasure (I just liked him for some weird reason) even annoyed the hell out of me, mainly because his new hair. Moniece talking about her guy and keeping his name a secret for all of five minutes and then we see him and I have no clue who he is. Aoryl was much tolerable when she was pregnant. She was the most annoying and the reason why I turned the show off. Reading your comments makes me think that I should stick it out though and give it another shot.

Re-watching the episode because I missed so much the first time, like Aubrey totally ignoring Adumb after the graduation! She looked at him like he was old news! I cracked up btw. Also, whose baby was Adumb's chaperone holding at the graduation?? Did he know someone else graduating? If so, then wouldn't he have told Adumb about it, since he wanted to play his role, i.e DUMB, and act like Chelsea didn't tell him? So glad she had receipts for his ass! His only response was "okay?" I wish that was a live phone call. I have to know if that "okay" was a question or if he just doesn't know how to use correct punctuation. "Okay" what MFer?? No apology or nothing. Part of me wonders if Kail doesn't want Jo to have more time with Isaac because they means less child support for her. She was so happy when Jo said that he didn't want more time. In Cory's scene with his dad, there was a voice over from Leah saying "I wanna get back to the treatment center ASAP". Um, get BACK? At this point in the story, she had never even made it there! Oh man, something else I missed: Jenelle on the phone with Nipples, on the patio, talking about paying for Kaiser's daycare, keeping Kaiser away from that new girl. Then, in that Jenelle monotone, she flatly says "this is so crazy, I just wanna be with you". LOL, I don't know why, but that made me laugh so hard. I sound more excited when I talk about wanting pizza!

Maybe "gym time" is code for something else. *wink wink* I've always thought this as well. That they producers tell the girls what the story line is that day and they just go from there. I'm sure Chelsea doesn't always want to talk about Adumb but he's part of her story. Thank goodness for Cole and that pig, because otherwise, it would be all Adumb, all the time. We get too much of him now, if you ask me. Thank goodness Jenelle is still Jenelle. Every episode, I get less worried that Jace will end up with her. Now Kaiser on the other hand, I just hope that his other grandmother is able to take care of him when Jenelle and Nathan finally get tired of playing mommy and daddy. I was so worried for Vee and Javi when they kissed cheeks at the soccer game. Kail was probably losing her mind!

OR it could mean that maybe he spent money on projects and she didn't get to do any of the ones she wanted. Amy is not and was not a victim. Ok, she didn't want to do the show in the beginning, but here we are, 11 seasons later. I will cut the kids some slack because they had no choice in the matter but Amy gets no sympathy from me. She said on the show that Matt was impulsive from the day they met and he wanted to get married 14 days later. In all the years that I've watched this show, I've seen Matt bulldoze and ignore Amy whenever she vetoed one of his ideas. But I also saw Amy shut Matt down anytime he had any thoughts or opinions on the children and what they should or shouldn't be doing. I can absolutely see how the bitterness grew in their marriage. She said it best when she said that there was a lot of "tit for tat".

I just came to ask what the hell is Jeremy wearing on this interview show? Jeggings? And what were he and Audrey doing the whole time? She was practically sitting on his lap.

Thanks for that link. I remember that incident! He should tell that to the judge when Erica takes his ass to court. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he pulls that out of his ass, like he does all of his other justifications for shirking his responsibilities.

I was a Scrappy fan until this season. I'm so disappointed at the way he has really shown his ass lately. I have to wonder where this hatred toward Erica is coming from. Maybe it's because she moved on with a better dude and he doesn't like it. I can't believe the way he spoke to her and NO ONE got in his ass about it. She was even nice enough to commend him as a father, even when he doesn't pay his share, and he STILL acting like a fool. Bambi can jump off of a cliff because any woman who goes along with that BS Scrappy is doing, is nothing but trash to me. I can only hope that Emani doesn't see the way her parents went at each other, but she looks old enough to access this anytime she wants. Erica was most definitely giving him a break regarding the child support, but just like most deadbeats, he got too comfortable and took advantage. I believe everything Erica said, especially about the insurance. What was it, $300 a month he had to pay and he tried to cheap out by paying half?? I bet he spends more than that on strip clubs, tattoos and food since his ass has doubled in size since we first saw him. I thought I've seen every episode of this show! I don't remember this at all. What season? Who was the girl??

I would agree with you in normal situations. However, this is a reality TV show that has no problems editing out information that could tell the whole story. Now, yes, it is very true that Leah has emotional/mental problems and she needs the support of everyone around her. On the other hand, perhaps they've tried to support her and handle her with kid gloves, all the while urging her to seek help. We don't know if Cory, Jeremy and Miranda have tried to be more understanding of her issues and tried to work with her. However, Leah is in denial big time and if I were in her life, I would tire of that so quick. And yes, I would probably get to the point when I would belittle her as well, all in the effort to get her to tell the truth for once. You can't help people who don't admit that they need help or that they have a problem. I watched that girl stoned out of her mind last night and I didn't feel sorry for her at all. I felt sorry for her children who have been left alone with her many times. There is no telling what she's like when the camera aren't around when we can see her high as a kite with the cameras there. She was almost like Janelle that time she shot up heroin with Keifer that time. Scary shit if you ask me and I don't blame Cory, Miranda or Jeremy for getting on her ass. That mother of hers should be ashamed of herself. I hate Janelle more and more each week. I wish I could meet her face to face to tell her what a piece of shit mother she is and that I hope she never gets custody of Jace. She clearly loves that sorry ass man more than her own child. I have a cousin like that. In fact that cousin is a hybrid of Leah and Janelle, so its doubly frightening. She has 7 kids, several different fathers, a pill problem but nothing like Leah. She is forever moving her different baby daddies in, and when they get tired of her and leave, they often seem to pop up when she gets her food stamps or income tax (she sells her kids SS# to people, and they give her some of the money). Her oldest lives with me now, but she is always threatening to go to court to get her back (mind you, we don't even have legal custody of the child), she's called the police and made up lies, she's called the school threatening to come and pick her up. All that and she got nowhere, the police and the school blew her off. Jace, living with his aging grandmother, is not in an ideal situation, but when I think of him possibly being with that birth-mom of his, I really get nervous. Conversely, anytime Janelle even says anything about Jace living with her, I crack up like she's on Def Comedy Jam because it is that funny that she thinks she could convince anyone, INCLUDING HERSELF, that she wants Jace with her and that she can give him a better life.

Are they no longer doing that whole Pumpkin Patch thing? I'm sure that there are some things happening on the farm that we don't even know about. Like I didn't know they had animals until that whole "gate/arm" episode. I could see them opening up the farm as a tourist attraction one day, if it isn't already. I've never been to Oregon, but if I got the chance, I'd like to see it for myself and I would pay money to. Not Disney money, but I'm just saying. I'm nowhere near a Matt-apologist or fan, but I'm also not an Amy-apologist or fan either. I think they both could have done better in their marriage and they are equally responsible for its demise. I've always wondered what attracted them each other in the first place. Like, did they just hook-up because they had few options? I've never sensed any genuine warmth or affection in all the years I've watched. I don't know if having kids changed their dynamic or if they were always that way. I'd wager that few of them regret having their lives displayed on TV for all these years. All the trips and experiences that they got to have. Amy doesn't strike me as a victim and if she let Matt run all over her, than that's on her. From what I know of her family, he daddy didn't raise no punks, LOL.

You won't but I'm sure someone will ;) But yes, I liked the wedding, the venue, the whole vibe. Sure, definitely not my taste (I'd rather just elope, really) but I thought it suited them and I was so happy to be able to see it. I was just thinking of how we've watched these kids grow up, right before our eyes. And even though there were many things I didn't like about this family, I've still watched every season and stuck around and it is amazing to see where there are now. I hope that we get to see a wedding from the other two kids, even if it's year from now. I'm also impressed by how Matt and Amy are managing everything through this divorce. Yes, there are some really petty moments that have come through on both of their parts, but they have been able to put their differences aside and to build businesses and create opportunities for their family. Regardless of Matt's bad decisions in the past (near or far) and risk taking, I'd say that he ended up on the good side of those things. I don't even care if they've made deals to get paid for this that or the other, or got their wedding done for free (I don't believe that for one second, though) TLC has been making money off them for years and I don't blame them for taking advantage of money making opportunities while they can. I'm sure this show will one day fade away so get it while the getting is good.

So, yet another Roloff wedding that made me cry. I'm not even that into weddings like that! One thing that did annoy me was how Jeremy kept saying that Zach was now in the club, like he's been married for years and years. Wait until you at least make it a year before you start acting like the expert. But I did love seeing how much he loves his brother and vice versa. Zach has always seems a bit shy and reserved to me, so I'm so happy that he's come out of his shell and is a bit more confident. If that's all Tori's doing, then good on her. Amy annoyed me with that need to redeem herself in the kitchen. Girl, we get it. That engagement party cake sucked, but no one thinks that you roll like that all the time. I get wanting people to love your cooking, because I'm the same way, but to constantly ask people how the food is got on my nerves. Seeing her at the wedding though moved me though. So many emotional moments.

As much as I dislike Vanessa, for ALL of the reasons pointed out in this thread, I'd really like for a woman to win and she's the best choice at this juncture in the game. The twins annoy the crap out of me and I'd hate for them to win the whole thing, and then we have Meg, who is just NO. I think she's probably even more useless than that Jordan Lloyd (and I actually LIKE Jordan). I'd totally change my mind about Meg if it turns out that this is all an act and she manages to start winning shit left and right soon.

Just when I think I've seen the weirdest Catfish episode EVER, they go and top themselves. This was one of the dumbest, most ridiculous fake-ass Catfish scenarios ever. I can't even with these folks. Hundra is a bitch. Had to add that.

There's a part of me that doesn't even believe that Jace understands what "living with her" means. Jace said last season that he wanted to "live with her" sometimes and with Barb sometimes. I think Jace views living with Janelle as being able to come over and spend the night on occasion because let's face it, when he's with Janelle, it's usually doing fun activities. It doesn't hurt that she's always promising that they'll be doing that stuff. I don't think that Jace wants to be with Janelle full time and be taken away from the only home that he's ever known, permanently. And Janelle doesn't want Jace there anyway, unless she has someone there to help her lazy ass. She only pursued the custody thing because Nathan was pushing her and making it seem like they were a family and would do it together. The first time he said something about not getting involved and her being on her own, she dropped that idea real quick. If she had to take care of those kids all on her own, she just wouldn't. I never worry for a second when Janelle starts talking about custody because I know, without a doubt, that Jace isn't going anywhere. I actually crack up laughing every time she says that shit, with that emotionless face of hers. No judge (in their right mind and with all the facts) would take that kid away from Barb, unless Barb was physically unable to care for him. And even in that case, foster care would be a better option, sad to say. Oh man! I just remembered how she used to do that shit, telling Barb that she wanted to be able to enjoy being a teenager. Like bitch, you should have thought about that before you got pregnant. Ooh, that used to piss me off. I know she was on drugs and whatever back then, but still. Jace was a burden to her then and he's a burden to her now. She uses her kids like she uses men in her life. They validate her and make her feel useful/wanted. She really needs to get some REAL counseling and possibly get on medication. Maybe then, I'd be willing to cut her some slack. It may not be ideal for me, but I'd want to do what was best for my child. Jo loves Isaac and has always wanted to be a part of his life. Since Jo wouldn't take her back, Kail has been hell bent on keeping Isaac away from him, as much as she can legally. There is probably a part of her that doesn't want Jo there because she thinks he secretly wants her or something. Or she likes to pretend that Jo is just a sperm donor and wants everyone to believe that Javi is a better father to Isaac than Jo can ever be, ever was, etc. I think she forgets that this show is filmed and we can see because we have eyes. I can't think of a logical reason for her to care this much about where Jo buys a house, especially when it only benefits Isaac and makes both of their lives easier.

That's got to be it! I guess he does make Adam look not "that bad" in comparison.

You're right. Jo's mom always called him Jonathan. So Kail moved? I mean, I can understand not wanting to live next door or even across the street from your ex, but what the hell is wrong with living in the same neighborhood? Your son can have both of his parents nearby and could possibly even walk from one house to the other, when he gets older. Jo ain't worried about your ass, Kail. He's probably thanking his lucky stars that he no longer has to deal with your shit, like Javi does. Javi is a bit of a jerk, but for real, it's like Kail doesn't believe that anyone but her has a right to be angry/upset about anything. My goodness, Javi ought to want to get away from her every now and then. I hope that compensate Javi's sister for all the babysitting she does. And she looks to be expecting a baby herself. She needs to stay far away from that toxicity that is Kail and Javi's house. I really hate Janelle. Trying to bribe Jace into moving in with her and Nathan with the promise of karate classes. And now what? She's no longer pursuing custody and I'm guessing Jace isn't in Karate unless Barb signed him up. I see a lifetime of disappointment in that poor boy's life dealing with Janelle. She's too wrapped up in her own drama and bullshit to ever put her children first. It is so sad to watch. Adam's sober-partner/sponsor really creeps me out. I'm going to feel like shit if he's the nicest guy in the world, but the fact that he's hanging out with Adumb doesn't indicate that.

The punishment on tonight's episode made me laugh so hard, I was in tears, nose all stopped up and everything!! My gawd, that has to be the funniest one yet. Anytime they bring out the Jaden Smith tattoo, I crack the hell up. It's one of my favorite Sal things, lol. I felt the same way about that punishment. I felt so bad for Murr on that one. However, that episode solidified my Sal love because of how he spoke to Murr and explained how they all agreed that they had to do punishments or leave the show (not that I think for one second they would kick someone off). He was calm and soothing and I believe he helped Murr to focus enough to follow-through with it.

I would consider myself a Jeff fan and I'm still here. I understand why people dislike him though.

Me too! That part is my absolute favorite. I especially liked when he said something about them all getting someone from the Smith family. I can't even hear/think/see Jaden Smith without this episode coming to mind and I crack up every time. And have to chime in that Sal is my favorite too!

Can someone explain the deer reference, please?

Why does it have to be "have the wedding on the farm or it won't be filmed and you won't get paid"? Tory and Zach could have had their wedding anywhere and the show still could have filmed it, and Amy and Matt/the whole family would have still been paid because TLC would have still aired it. Are they not allowed to film anywhere else besides the farm? I believe that they had the wedding on the farm because it was free. I would absolutely agree to do that. I don't know their finances or what they can afford, but from a previous episode, it looked like they were paying for most of the wedding themselves and trying to stick with a budget. Having the wedding on the farm, which is gorgeous, is very budget friendly. I will admit that I don't follow these people outside of the show, so maybe some of you other posters have seen or read things that back up that story that Zach and Tory HAD to have their wedding on the farm to get a check for them and for Amy and Matt.

Mario Lopez was so annoying and loud, that even though I thought his family was great at this game, I was hoping he wouldn't make it to the Fast Money round. There was not enough Matthew Lawrence though.