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How does Jensen pull off wearing that outfit, with short and tights?

From @Myrelle in the regular spoiler thread. I hope so too but since its Dabb and he loves his ghurlpower!, I'm not sure he'll be able to resist having Anael putting Michael in his place. I mean Jensen had to remind him that Michael has powers. So I'm not sure he realizes he's supposed to be writing a powerful arch angel.

Responding in bitter spoilers

Sam- Not only am I too sad to shave but I don't have time because Im so busy but I can still manage to make sure its neatly trimmed. Jensen doesn't even look remotely like Dean in those photos (I'm not talking about outifts). There seems to be a coldness to him in some of those pictures and he even has a different way of holding himself. More regal almost. *Throws the awards at Jensen.

Just look at the end of last season. Every writer was hyping episode 21, the big Sam ep, but the finale nothing. I still can't even figure out what that Salt and Burn hashtag they were tweeting about meant. In the finale, they spent 30 minutes angsting of that AU hunter. I spent 25 of those minutes wondering who she was and why I was supposed to care. There was no build up to the Michael storyline. It was clearly only addressed when they couldn't squeeze another minute out of every other plot. Then Dean proceeded to get his ass handed to him, and don't even get me started on the marionette fight.

Even worse, Berens is writing episode 9, so more than likely the mid-season finale will revolve around the waywards again instead of Michael.

No. In the Nature/Nurture feature on the DVD Beren's specifically said that Dean did it to save Sam. Nothing about trying to save the world not even as an afterthought.. So I expect it to be part of the multiple lessons Dean will be made to learn in the aftermath, and part of the "stop treating Sam like a child lesson" that the show started last season and sounds like will continue this season. Dean's losing the last role he had left, the leadership of Team Free Will.

https://ew.com/tv/2018/09/13/supernatural-season-14-photos-michael-jo/ First look at Michael. They really don't want to share much. Only 2 photos.

Cool poster but they got the premier date wrong.

Based on Jason Fischer's board, I would say its Dean. Going by his answer about how scenes are numbers, for example if they were shooting scene 22 and part of that scene was shot in a different location, like the other end of a phone call or a flashback it would be labeled A22. There was nothing on that board with that code yesterday.

Not unpopular with me. I think there was more enthusiasm over the parody.

I might be able to see Dean as important if it wasn't for the toy. As it is, this episode sent a clear message that Dean can be replaced by an inanimate object. Not only that the object does a better job. That and not a single person behind the scenes or on screen has ever admitted Dean was needed in that scene (that I can recall). Whenever its mentioned its Sam saved the world or Sam took one for the team. There were multiple blogs and reviewers that credited the car. Kripke, himself, said Dean's role was to learn to love Sam more and accept his cool powers. There was Adam Glass's introduction in the season 6 compainion. For me I could care less what happened after Sam got control because the pivotal moment in that scene was Sam gaining access to his memories and that was the car and the toy. This is why I suspect the toy was written in, to dilute Dean's role even further. I'll never understand why they needed an avatar for Dean if Dean was right there. Mary, John, Bobby and Cas didn't need objects to remind them what Dean meant to them. Dean begging and pleading was enough. So what does it say about the supposed brotherly bond that Sam was the only one that needed a prop. Good thing Dean is sentimental and it wasn't raining that day or he'd be dead and the world would be burning.

Dean knows he was possessed by an angel, so if he starts missing multiple chunks of time he'll know he's still possessed.

It makes Dabb seem even more whiney and lazy about complaining about Deanless episodes. He only had to write one.

https://tvline.com/2018/09/11/greys-anatomy-season-15-meredith-andrew-deluca-romance-spoilers/ So Michael doesn't even make it through episode 2. I can't even begin to list all the ways I don't care about wayward or any of the characters. Screw Dabb. He's the worst thing to ever happen to this show. Can he take his pets and just go away.

Question: Anything on Supernatural? —April Ausiello: Kim Rhodes’ Jody Mills will return in the wake of “a mysterious death, when it turns out that she and Sam and Dean are looking for the same person,” co-showrunner Andrew Dabb previews. “That involves her in a case that has pretty big repercussions, Wayward-wise, going forward.” As for the rest of the Wayward Sisters ensemble, “We’re also going to see Donna later this season,” Dabb says. “And our hope is, toward the back half of the season, to see everyone together in a plotline that we think dovetails very nicely with our Supernatural storyline for the season. We’re not, like, taking a detour into Wayward world. [We’re] taking some of those characters who we love so much, and some of the ideas, and folding them into Sam and Dean’s story.” https://tvline.com/2018/09/11/greys-anatomy-season-15-meredith-andrew-deluca-romance-spoilers/

I'm trying to figure out how they keep each other human works. If Dean tries and tells Sam what he wants to do is stupid (like thinking he's God's chosen and thinking he can go into Lucifer's cage) Sam complains that Dean is treating him like a child and does it anyway. Then Dean has to bail Sam out. It's rare Sam actually listens to Dean. And Sam choose a demon over his brother, didn't even try to lift a finger to help him after purgatory. Then choose Death instead of fighting to get back to his brother. Plus if Dean does open up to Sam, Sam tends to tell him he's doing it wrong or blames Dean for it. So IMO, "Keep each other human." is fancy words. If you look beyond the tell.

I was actually fine with the balance of the show until Fallen Idols when the show dumped the whole mess from season 4 into Dean's lap. The season 5 finale just rubbed salt into the wound. Then when they sent Sam to hell it sealed the deal. Dean's hell story line was the one thing that was about Dean. I was disappointed in how they handled Dean's PTSD so I was not interested in what so ever in Sam's, especially when they made Dean degrade his own experience. I was so disappointed they gave that storyline to Sam. I stopped caring about balance and good story telling. I just wanted the show to do right by Dean.

That whole scene was gold

I agree. I really liked this scene. I think it's one of Jensen's more underrated performances. Dean is trying to tell Sam matter of factly but you can hear the underlying emotion in Dean's voice and see it on his face. Jensen is soo soo good in these scene. I agree so much with this. FR. REYNOLDS That's right. The archangel Michael, with the flaming sword. The fighter of demons. Holy force against evil. This fits Dean to a tee and reminds me of when' (sorry for the quote box. I hit it instead of spoiler , and know how to delete it.

Speaking for myself I'd be okay with this. I won't lie, I'd miss seeing Jensen on my screen but if the episode was well written and I felt Dean's presence through his absence and it wasn't a Dean is (insert negative trait) and Sam is a (insert positive trait here), or a very special lesson ep for Dean, I would probably like it. Even though Jared was on screen for 30 seconds in In The Beginning, Sam was still very present in that episode. It was the same thing last season, thought Deans' grief we felt Cas's presence. Based on the way the season played out, I disagree. He saw a future in which he kept his distance from Sam because like @Myrelle said he learned that he must take care of Sam always and forever. Even though the ep is in my top 10, it's Jensen's performance that puts it there. In terms of Plot it was just another very special episode where Dean learns a lesson, and his place and Sam's body guard. What bothers me the most about this is that the show won't let Dean stand his ground with Sam but then it makes him learn another very special lesson about how he's too bossy and controlling with Sam and needs to let Sam grow up. That's was irritated me about the end of last season. They pulled this old dead horse out of storage, and even had Sam specifically remark that Dean puts him at the kiddie table. Sam made a choice. If he didn't like the choice he made, boo hoo. Suck it up and grow up. Sam is a 35 year old man. At some point that needs to stop being an excuse.

Don't say that outloud. It might give them ideas. lol

They showed this in In My Time of Dying. Azazel tells John he know someone that can fix Dean. We later see him possess Tessa the reaper. I'm guessing it was something similar for Sam.

Im hoping it does help him decide to move on, but I think for Jensen the off screen benefits out weigh what's happening on screen. That's why I said 'extra incentive." He loves the cast and crew like family. He can negotiate perks into his contract, like having ACL weekends off. He has the closest thing to job security you can get in Hollywood. That has to be hard to give up no matter what's happening on screen. It sucks for this Dean fan becuase its hard to watch Dean being stripped of all his layers and being turned into a caricature.

Agree. I also think it was extra incentive for Jensen to sign on the dotted line. Lets hope he signed a one year contract or it will be 12B on steroids. This part of my post is not a direct response to anyone. Just didn't want to make two separate posts. I think the primary relationship last season was supposed to be Jack, Sam and Cas but yet Jensen's presence made the Dean/Jack the most talked about one. (going by the sites I was reading). IMO, that became the dominate one even if it wasn't supposed too. It was Dean, Jack looked to for advice and approval despite everything. I'm really dreading the aftermath because of this.