Temperance

She's 10 and the Duggars have never married anyone off in this generation before 19.

While a rough birth may (hopefully) slow down the baby train, I would be surprised if Si and Lauren were willing to anger all the parents and give up their Quiverfull beliefs. It would be nice if they waited like a full year before C shows up, but even that seems unlikely. Given Lauren's dumb, uninformed comments about it taking a long time to get pregnant with Bella, I think she will be pregnant ASAP.

For @cereality and others: Jessa has had three births(kids) all at home. The first one went the worst. She delivered the baby (Spurgeon) fine, but hemorrhaged horribly. She was taken to the hospital and required a blood tranfusion. She could have bled out and died. She should have stopped with the homebirths then. She next had a homebirth with Henry where everything went fine. This is her third homebirth. She again hemorrhaged,but avoided the tranfusion Once you hemorrhage during a birth, it increases the chances you will hemorrhage during a later birth. If you hemorrhage twice, it increases the chances even more.A friend of mine was talking about a homebirth, but changed her mind last minute. My friend hemorrhaged and since then has wisely given up on a having homebirth. As far as I know, hemorrhaging only puts the mother at risk. The babies are fine. Jessa needs to stop giving birth at home, because she could hemorrhage and not get to the hospital in time to save her life. Her kids are better off with their mother alive.

I get the feeling Jill loves to get bad reactions from people, because it feeds her persecution complex. I also worry the Rodlets see it as evidence their mother is right.

They released this wedding video on Wednesday December 4th. The Duggars are boring and this video was interesting and somewhat snarkworthy.

What the heck is going on that we all suddenly have family members with kidney problems?! A family member of mine had severe pain and ended up in the ER. She was diagnosed with probable kidney stones, although the ultrasound revealed no actual stones. It did show she has an inflamed kidney. I'm trying to be supportive. Unfortunately the doctor wouldn't give her an appointment until January. It's hard to know she's in pain. She is younger than me (under 30). I'm sending good vibes to everyone here. As a Catholic, I looked up the patron saint of kidney problems. St. Marina (Margarita) of Antioch, (patron saint of kidney problems) please watch over this forum and our families, friends and loved ones.

No announcements yet! But when does Us Weekly announce things? I remember (from last month) that they announced both the birth of both Addison and Bella later in the day on Monday. So maybe an announcement from JinJer later today, unless the Duggars have a bigger announcement (like a courtship).

We have no evidence that anyone other than Anna's kids live with her and Josh. Considering they live on the TTH grounds, it's possible that girl was staying with JB and Michelle. Or her parents took an extended stay in the area. But the rumor that the girl lives with them is just that. I agree Kynzie is a mother's helper and that she has help before she take photos.

For those looking for the "mama" line, it's the end of his first sentence with the first 20 seconds. "All my days, I've never met a woman who's enthralled me like you have, mama." Cade, you're 23 and she's 19! This is a line for somebody 50 something or older!! And you don't have kids yet! While the bride is certainly dressed sexy, I think she looks good. If she likes it, then I'm happy for her.

Cade and Gabby released a wedding video on December 4 so Wednesday. (Cade and Gabby are JinJer's American Idol winner friends.) It is snark worthy. They wrote their own vows. He calls her mama during the vows. She promises to let him lead. Jer says a few cliches about marriage (he's the officiant.) Jer, Jin, and Lissy are at the reception. It's under 7 minutes on youtube (Gabby Barrett wedding).

The make-up keeps getting lighter and lighter. It may seem like their small changes, but it's been changing since I first saw them a few years ago. In that last picture, Nurie seems to be wearing as little make-up as I've ever seen her wear. There's still eyeliner and whatnot. She looks good anyway.

I can't get mad this exactly. Sadie was baptized at age 6. It's a spiritual custom for them. I was baptized as a baby and I prefer sprinkling water over the head, but that's more common in my culture. I'm Catholic. As for sins, I had my first Confession/Reconcilation around seven as did everyone else. It's a sacrament and one that you need before Communion. Maybe Sadie will become the new favorite when Nurie leaves. She looks like Nurie and I think the favorite will be one of the younger six girls, not the two closest in age to Nurie.

So I was in the Counting On/Duggar family forum on this site. Married Duggar daughter Jinger Vuolo was going to do a celebrity appearance at a fund raiser. It was being held at a Rebecca Minkoff store. Rebecca Minkoff is a very successful designer of expensive handbags... and a $cientologist. When I saw the name Minkoff, I wondered about her family, but could find nothing about her family other than her husband. Another site I was on found to a blog post by Tony Ortega, who said she is the daughter of Dr. David Minkoff. Dr. David Minkoff is a doctor who is a well connected $cientologist. He allegedly did shady things for scientology and that's why his license to practice medicine was revoked. Mike and Leah talked about him, particularly in the Lisa McPherson episode. It's possible you guys already knew, but I thought I mention it here. I reread this thread to see if Rebecca Minkoff the designer was already being discussed. I miss this show and I hope more is exposed about $cientologist.

$cientology is very focused on their image. It's very possible that the higher-ups got a whiff of public disapproval for Jinger's involvement and told Rebecca Minkoff to cancel. They try to avoid negative publicity at all costs.

I guess it's great that Jinger lost this opportunity due to her family connections. It does seem hypocritical if Rebecca Minkoff called off the event due to Jinger's family connections. Rebecca Minkoff is still a scientologist and from a family that has played a big role in scientology. Her father is Dr. David Minkoff. I posted that before, but I'm not too familar with scientology and I was having trouble explaining Dr. David's role in the organization. I don't quite understand what happened to Lisa McPherson or how she died. What I do know is that Minkoff is not just a mere member; he's high up in the cult. He allegedly did shady things for scientology and that's why his license to practice medicine was revoked. Jinger and Rebecca Minkoff both come from cults and were raised in families in cults. Neither one of them has separated enough from the group that I no longer associate them with their respective groups. He's also lucky, because I predict eventually the truth will leak out about scientology and Rebecca Minkoff and her family. It's not even a particularly Christian group (different ideology) and Jer's core audience would excuse it more if it were Christian. I think most people are slowly coming to have an unfavorable opinion of scientology.

Their social media posts confirm that.

Considering that he also doesn't seem to use his last name, this is probable. Off topic: The Maxwells are advertising; Give the Gift of a Book from the Titus2 Collection to a loved one for Christmas. Each book is a Quality Book, Written by a Maxwell! There are Stories to Cherish by Sarah and Quality, Thoughful Advice from Teri and Steve! You'll read them over and over again! Order through the blog now! (It's not written like this, but that's how I read it!

Her parents are as crazy fundie as all the other fundies so I can't give them too much credit. I doubt Kendra or her parents would be so polite to an LGBTQ person. They also seem to distrust most of the medical establishment. I honestly have no idea how they would treat immigrants. I could easily see her parents disowning a kid, who strayed from the fundie path. Have we seen Kendra interact with people who don't share her beliefs beyond a pants-wearing, job-holding woman?

David may be spelling the name the way he assumes Graeme/Graham is spelled. It's also possible Graham/Graeme is trying to hide social media usage from employers.

Big new blog post from David and Priscilla Waller's blog! DavidlovesPriscilla is the name of the blog. Too many pictures to repost here. Here are some highlights: "We have big news at our home! We are excited to announce that baby number five is on the way! We are due late May or early June. We will know a more firm due date once we have an ultrasound." (Don't they usually do an ultrasound before 3 months?) "We are excited for Priscilla’s younger brother Nathan, who proposed to Nurie Rodrigues. She said, “Yes!” and they are planning for a July wedding." (I'm glad they announced this and are celebrating for Nurie and Nathan.) Just before Thanksgiving, Graeme Wolf and Lydia Waller were engaged.We are excited for both of them and excited about having one of David’s siblings potentially move to Texas in the future. (David's family lives in Wisconsin. He currently lives in TX? He and Brandon are both living farther away from IBLP. Lydia's fiance seems to spell his name two different ways Graeme and Graham. It turns out that my speculation was right and they spent more time with David and Priscilla than Nurie and Nathan.)

According to fundiewiki, Lauren's parents are really close in age. Dwain just turned 44 and Lana will be 44 by the end of this week.

I agree with this 😍.I also think that if the show goes off the air and Dad can't support them, Jessa will be the first one to change course. One thing though: Jessa and Ben own the mold house. They bought it from Grandma Mary for a "dollar" probably with more money from the show, but it is in their names. Of course that house is quickly getting too small for their growing quiver. Maybe they can trade up with money from the show and the sale of this house.

I honestly [don't] see much difference between the pictures of Nurie's suitor and the picture of Pastor Calwell and Joe or the one of Joy, but that's me. Editing to add: I'm depressed about this. I honestly try to make every post as accurate and grammatical as possible and still obvious errors like this escape me. When I read it, my brain sometimes fills in the missing word.

So remember the donut event. The donut company is giving away donuts. Jinger will be there. Toys for Tots is taking donations. And it's held in a Rebecca Minkoff store. Rebecca Minkoff is a handbag designer and a scientologist. This was already established upthread. I tried to do research on Rebecca, bu there was a lot of information. FJ found a source that says yes, in fact Rebecca Minkoff is David Minkoff's daughter. Dr. David Minkoff is a doctor. He lost his medical license. If you watch Leah Remini's show, you might remember him being mentioned in the Lisa McPherson episode. I felt for sure Rebecca was related to David, because Minkoff is a rare last name. I wasn't sure she was his niece, cousin, etc. Rebecca has made it harder to find out this info.

Most of the fundies we follow love guns and have posted pictures with them including the Duggars. The Duggars have pictures of guns with a variety of their children. The most memorable photos involve JD holding guns and Joy holding a gun. I can't remember all the other fundies and guns, except for the Caldwells. It seems particularly odd that Pa Caldwell, a man of the cloth, holding a big gun in his SWAT t-shirt. I wouldn't go to his church.