Law & Order: Criminal Intent - General Discussion

[peacheslatour]

3 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Agreed - it didn’t take them time to figure out the characters, they knew what they were and how to write them going in, and they were great right off the bat, Goren in particular. This show didn’t have to take time to figure out it’s formula, unlike SVU and even to a small extent the Mothership. 

VDO and Kathryn Erbe were lightning in a bottle. Just inspiring to watch, they had such great chemistry.

[Xeliou66]

31 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

VDO and Kathryn Erbe were lightning in a bottle. Just inspiring to watch, they had such great chemistry.

Yep, Goren and Eames are a fantastic pair!

[WendyCR72]

15 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Sundance just started showing CI this morning, starting with the series premiere One. As I’ve said before, the series premiere was really strong, it did a good job of giving a feel for the show and each character and it was a good case. This show started off really strong, Goren was great from the start, showing off his uniqueness and skill for observation. Eames, Deakins and Carver were good as well from the start. Nora Lewis’s crossover cameo was a nice way to connect the show to the L&O franchise, as I’ve said before it’s too bad they didn’t do more crossover cameos. 

Yeah, it really was a strong pilot, which are usually rough. Although Goren seemed very empathetic with the parents. NOT a minus, but as the series progressed, Goren seemed more about getting the perp while Eames seemed to take up the stuff with people skills more often than not.

This is not to say that Goren didn't care later, but he seemed more awkward in his approach later on than he did in the pilot.

[WendyCR72]

On another note, Season 4 has rolled around on WE late night. "Semi-Detached" with creepy Nelda Carson is airing as I type. Still don't get what Goren found so fascinating about that nutter, although Francie Swift did a good job in the role.

And, as I said, it was the only S4 episode - the premiere for the season - that had VDO/Bobby with a different opening credit picture (which I actually preferred!) than what ended up being used for the rest of S4 and the remainder of the series...

[Xeliou66]

15 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

On another note, Season 4 has rolled around on WE late night. "Semi-Detached" with creepy Nelda Carson is airing as I type. Still don't get what Goren found so fascinating about that nutter, although Francie Swift did a good job in the role.

And, as I said, it was the only S4 episode - the premiere for the season - that had VDO/Bobby with a different opening credit picture (which I actually preferred!) than what ended up being used for the rest of S4 and the remainder of the series...

As I’ve said before, I’m really not sure what was up with Goren at the start of season 4, between feeling sorry for Nelda, and even worse feeling sympathy for cannibal creep Tagman in episode 3, Goren seemed off. Fortunately he got back on track after that.

As we’ve discussed before, season 4 is exceptionally dark, but it’s really good. 

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

As we’ve discussed before, season 4 is exceptionally dark, but it’s really good. 

This particular season definitely put a lot more emphasis on the "psychological" angle the show loved. Thursday morning will have the equally-creepy "Want" with John Tagman and "Great Barrier" with everyone's "favorite" blonde-psycho, Nicole Wallace, before the actual Thursday/Friday early afternoon mini marathons...

And Sunday morning has your favorite chef, Tommy Onorato, in "Death Roe", @Xeliou66.

Sort of makes sense that this was the season where VDO complained of exhaustion. So many warped episodes.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

This particular season definitely put a lot more emphasis on the "psychological" angle the show loved. Thursday morning will have the equally-creepy "Want" with John Tagman and "Great Barrier" with everyone's "favorite" blonde-psycho, Nicole Wallace, before the actual Thursday/Friday early afternoon mini marathons...

And Sunday morning has your favorite chef, Tommy Onorato, in "Death Roe", @Xeliou66.

Sort of makes sense that this was the season where VDO complained of exhaustion. So many warped episodes.

Yeah some really dark stuff in season 4 - Want, Death Roe and No Exit are as dark as they come, oh and In The Dark with the “stone baby” was extremely creepy. There were a slew of other strange cases as well. But it’s one of my favorite seasons - I really can’t pick a favorite season out of 1-5 but 4 is great and I’ll definitely try to catch some of those episodes over the next week.

[peacheslatour]

14 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah some really dark stuff in season 4 - Want, Death Roe and No Exit are as dark as they come, oh and In The Dark with the “stone baby” was extremely creepy. There were a slew of other strange cases as well. But it’s one of my favorite seasons - I really can’t pick a favorite season out of 1-5 but 4 is great and I’ll definitely try to catch some of those episodes over the next week.

I can't watch Magnificat ever again. It just makes my blood boil that the loathsome Mr. Whitlock walked away scot free.

[Xeliou66]

6 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I can't watch Magnificat ever again. It just makes my blood boil that the loathsome Mr. Whitlock walked away scot free.

Oh yeah I forgot Magnificat, very disturbing. And like I’ve said before, that’s the one time I felt Carver didn’t have guts, I think he could’ve made a case for depraved indifference manslaughter or something along those lines against Whitlock, he knew his wife was unstable and a danger to their kids and did nothing. I think it would’ve been worth trying to make a case against Whitlock, but Carver was too timid to do it. The one time I was frustrated with him.

[peacheslatour]

38 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Oh yeah I forgot Magnificat, very disturbing. And like I’ve said before, that’s the one time I felt Carver didn’t have guts, I think he could’ve made a case for depraved indifference manslaughter or something along those lines against Whitlock, he knew his wife was unstable and a danger to their kids and did nothing. I think it would’ve been worth trying to make a case against Whitlock, but Carver was too timid to do it. The one time I was frustrated with him.

So was I. I felt every bit of Goren's frustration. 

[Xeliou66]

3 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

So was I. I felt every bit of Goren's frustration. 

I think had Jack McCoy been the prosecutor he would’ve had Whitlock charged, Carver was just too afraid to take the risk. It was the only time on the show when I was irritated with Carver, I think he had a decent case against Whitlock. 

[WendyCR72]

Oh, Lord. "Want" is on WE as I type. I hate this episode. John Tagman got off too easy as far as his fate went. Although Neil Patrick Harris did a great job. But it's one of the few episodes I can barely stomach.

[Xeliou66]

8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Oh, Lord. "Want" is on WE as I type. I hate this episode. John Tagman got off too easy as far as his fate went. Although Neil Patrick Harris did a great job. But it's one of the few episodes I can barely stomach.

What I dislike is Goren’s extreme sympathy towards sicko Tagman. I will never understand why Goren didn’t want Tagman to get the death penalty, Tagman tortured those women in horrific ways, he poured boiling water onto their brains and he ate part of their calf muscle. He was as sick as they come, and seeing Goren go to bat for him was just downright irritating. 

[peacheslatour]

WE is showing a whole line up of Season 4 today. Eosphoros, In The Dark, Magnificat.

[WendyCR72]

12 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

What I dislike is Goren’s extreme sympathy towards sicko Tagman. I will never understand why Goren didn’t want Tagman to get the death penalty, Tagman tortured those women in horrific ways, he poured boiling water onto their brains and he ate part of their calf muscle. He was as sick as they come, and seeing Goren go to bat for him was just downright irritating. 

That's why I was actually on Team Alex at the end, when she didn't seem at all fazed upon hearing about Tagman being killed. It's what the freak deserved (just as his real-life inspiration, Jeffrey Dahmer, did!).

I am just glad Goren seemed to get back to his version of normal after this.

9 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

WE is showing a whole line up of Season 4 today. Eosphoros, In The Dark, Magnificat.

And will also show more of S4 tomorrow (Friday), as usual, too.

[peacheslatour]

Watching Collective right now. Goren is having a blast with the Johnny 7, seven weapons in one!

[Gramto6]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

Watching Collective right now. Goren is having a blast with the Johnny 7, seven weapons in one!

That was so funny! And boy did it bug the clerk!

[peacheslatour]

54 minutes ago, Gramto6 said:

That was so funny! And boy did it bug the clerk!

Oh yes! He was so afraid Goren was going to break one of his priceless collectibles.

[WendyCR72]

6 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Watching Collective right now. Goren is having a blast with the Johnny 7, seven weapons in one!

One of the few "light" scenes from Season 4. I absolutely love that whole scene - and like Alex's smirk as Bobby plays, knowing he is doing it to rattle the clerk. And liked the Pennsylvania cop looking the other way and "going for a walk".

[WendyCR72]

"EGG CUP!" said for posterity! LOL! ("The Good Child" just ended on WE.)

And now, Colleen in "Beast", who had the worst mother ever!

[peacheslatour]

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

"EGG CUP!" said for posterity! LOL! ("The Good Child" just ended on WE.)

And now, Colleen in "Beast", who had the worst mother ever!

Don't forget Wrongful Life. "STONES AROUND MY NECK!!"

[Xeliou66]

15 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

"EGG CUP!" said for posterity! LOL! ("The Good Child" just ended on WE.)

And now, Colleen in "Beast", who had the worst mother ever!

“EGG CUP” has to be one of the funniest moments in CI history. The Good Child is a really good episode, Rachel’s bio parents were ice cold, they were going to kill her for the money and pin it on the mob family.

I really like Beast as well - that’s a very twisted plot with how the dentist killed Colleen’s sister yet Colleen was still obsessed with him and poisoned his wife years later out of jealousy. Colleen was obviously very screwed up, but it’s not surprising given her awful mother, who only loved her “beautiful” deceased daughter. CI had some god awful parents and she had to be one of the worst.

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

“EGG CUP” has to be one of the funniest moments in CI history. The Good Child is a really good episode, Rachel’s bio parents were ice cold, they were going to kill her for the money and pin it on the mob family.

I really like Beast as well - that’s a very twisted plot with how the dentist killed Colleen’s sister yet Colleen was still obsessed with him and poisoned his wife years later out of jealousy. Colleen was obviously very screwed up, but it’s not surprising given her awful mother, who only loved her “beautiful” deceased daughter. CI had some god awful parents and she had to be one of the worst.

And, just as I wish Bronson Pinchot (Gregory the killer dentist) had somehow did a Perfect Strangers reunion cameo with Mark Linn-Baker (Wally in "Probability, seen later in "Endgame"), I wish the awful mother in "Beast" had somehow met up with killer granny Mrs. Sussman from "Shandeh" in prison, too, since Linda Lavin and Celia Weston had appeared in the old sitcom, Alice, together!

But Colleen, like Marla later in "Please Note...", probably should have just dealt with her ogre of a mom instead of offing the sister, just as Marla killed all of those parents to frame her nasty mother-in-law. (Funny how Colleen is actually my middle name, hence the C in my username! But my mother was actually terrific. Ha.)

Yeah, it's true: This show ran the gamut on fucked-up family ties, didn't it?!

[Xeliou66]

10 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

And, just as I wish Bronson Pinchot (Gregory the killer dentist) had somehow did a Perfect Strangers reunion cameo with Mark Linn-Baker (Wally in "Probability, seen later in "Endgame"), I wish the awful mother in "Beast" had somehow met up with killer granny Mrs. Sussman from "Shandeh" in prison, too, since Linda Lavin and Celia Weston had appeared in the old sitcom, Alice, together!

But Colleen, like Marla later in "Please Note...", probably should have just dealt with her ogre of a mom instead of offing the sister, just as Marla killed all of those parents to frame her nasty mother-in-law. (Funny how Colleen is actually my middle name, hence the C in my username! But my mother was actually terrific. Ha.)

Yeah, it's true: This show ran the gamut on fucked-up family ties, didn't it?!

But Colleen didn’t kill her sister - Gregory did, Colleen killed Gregory’s wife years later because of her jealousy and the fact she was still obsessed with Gregory. Yeah that was a twisted plot. 

And yes this show had some incredibly dysfunctional families, the episodes featuring them were almost always entertaining - and parents favoring one child over another popped up a couple of times - remember the parents from Saving Face who only cared about their dead son and used their daughter just as a replacement for him, and of course the awful dad/grandfather in Bedfellows who only loved one of his sons/grandsons. 

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

But Colleen didn’t kill her sister - Gregory did, Colleen killed Gregory’s wife years later because of her jealousy and the fact she was still obsessed with Gregory. Yeah that was a twisted plot. 

You're right. Chalk up my last post as a late-night brain fart!

[Xeliou66]

My favorite episode, In The Wee Small Hours, is on now!! So much to love about this 2 parter, it’s great seeing Goren/Eames working with Logan/Barek, plus courtroom scenes with Carver, plus a crossover cameo from Arthur Branch. Great case with the scummy Garrett family, great investigation stuff and they touched on a couple of personal things without making it soap opera-ish or distracting from the case. Fantastic 2 parter.

[peacheslatour]

46 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

My favorite episode, In The Wee Small Hours, is on now!! So much to love about this 2 parter, it’s great seeing Goren/Eames working with Logan/Barek, plus courtroom scenes with Carver, plus a crossover cameo from Arthur Branch. Great case with the scummy Garrett family, great investigation stuff and they touched on a couple of personal things without making it soap opera-ish or distracting from the case. Fantastic 2 parter.

I'm watching it right now!

[Xeliou66]

15 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I'm watching it right now!

I love the scene where Goren provokes pervert creep Judge Garrett into admitting he had sex with the victim, Goren did a great job of getting under his skin and mocking him for being a shriveled up creepy perv and not losing his temper, I would’ve completely understood if Goren had beaten Garrett to a pulp for sending someone to threaten his mother, but Goren did a really good job of instead getting Garrett to incriminate himself.

The court stuff is really good as well - I really wish we had gotten to see Carver in court more often.

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

I love the scene where Goren provokes pervert creep Judge Garrett into admitting he had sex with the victim, Goren did a great job of getting under his skin and mocking him for being a shriveled up creepy perv and not losing his temper, I would’ve completely understood if Goren had beaten Garrett to a pulp for sending someone to threaten his mother, but Goren did a really good job of instead getting Garrett to incriminate himself.

The court stuff is really good as well - I really wish we had gotten to see Carver in court more often.

Same. I forget the name of the episode but it had a plastic surgeon who chopped up his wife and between Goren and Carver, they got him to totally lose his shit on the stand.

[Xeliou66]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Same. I forget the name of the episode but it had a plastic surgeon who chopped up his wife and between Goren and Carver, they got him to totally lose his shit on the stand.

Are you talking about The Good Doctor, season 1 episode 9, with the plastic surgeon who killed his wife in their bathroom and disposed of her body over the ocean when he flew his plane the next day? That’s a great episode, and I love that we got to see courtroom scenes in that one as well. 

[WendyCR72]

On 7/8/2022 at 3:23 PM, Xeliou66 said:

The court stuff is really good as well - I really wish we had gotten to see Carver in court more often.

Maybe if we had, Courtney B. Vance wouldn't have left. By S3 or 4, he was a glorified extra, except for S4's "No Exit", another good episode with courtroom stuff.

And yeah, how Goren restrained himself from turning Hal Garrett into mulch is anyone's guess. He was well within his right to do so. But, as you said, at least he got the dirtbag to incriminate himself.

[Xeliou66]

4 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Maybe if we had, Courtney B. Vance wouldn't have left. By S3 or 4, he was a glorified extra, except for S4's "No Exit", another good episode with courtroom stuff.

And yeah, how Goren restrained himself from turning Hal Garrett into mulch is anyone's guess. He was well within his right to do so. But, as you said, at least he got the dirtbag to incriminate himself.

Yeah it's a real shame how underused Carver was - I get that this show was never about the courtroom stuff but it still would've been nice to see him used more and go into court more. That's one reason why I love In The Wee Small Hours, good courtroom stuff and a heavy role for Carver. We even got to see him interact with Arthur Branch, which was great. 

[peacheslatour]

10 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah it's a real shame how underused Carver was - I get that this show was never about the courtroom stuff but it still would've been nice to see him used more and go into court more. That's one reason why I love In The Wee Small Hours, good courtroom stuff and a heavy role for Carver. We even got to see him interact with Arthur Branch, which was great. 

Yes, it's no wonder Courtney B. Vance wanted to do other things and it's also no wonder VDO broke down from exhaustion. They worked him like  a rented mule. 

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah it's a real shame how underused Carver was - I get that this show was never about the courtroom stuff but it still would've been nice to see him used more and go into court more. That's one reason why I love In The Wee Small Hours, good courtroom stuff and a heavy role for Carver. We even got to see him interact with Arthur Branch, which was great. 

Still wish Carver and/or Deakins could have returned for even a cameo in S10. Oh, well. Carver could have been a judge or needed G/E's help with something. Maybe G/E could have consulted with Deakins about...something, anything!

[Xeliou66]

11 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Still wish Carver and/or Deakins could have returned for even a cameo in S10. Oh, well. Carver could have been a judge or needed G/E's help with something. Maybe G/E could have consulted with Deakins about...something, anything!

That would've been great, I would like to think Carver went on to become a judge and that's why he left his position as ADA, and it would've really been great to see either him or Deakins again in season 10. Carver and Deakins were great characters that were underused. 

Edited July 10, 2022 by Xeliou66

[WendyCR72]

13 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

That would've been great, I would like to think Carver went on to become a judge and that's why he left his position as ADA, and it would've really been great to see either him or Deakins again in season 10. Carver and Deakins were great characters that were underused. 

I do think it's sad that Carver really didn't even get an exit. At least Deakins/JS got that much. (Trying to recall if CBV left in between Seasons 5 and 6, but honestly, I really don't remember.)

[Xeliou66]

11 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I do think it's sad that Carver really didn't even get an exit. At least Deakins/JS got that much. (Trying to recall if CBV left in between Seasons 5 and 6, but honestly, I really don't remember.)

Yeah it's pathetic how Carver never got an exit, and Deakins exit was really poor, I did not buy that Deakins would fold so easily, I always thought he would fight Adair. I wish they had just had Deakins choose to retire on his own, and I wish he had gotten a better goodbye with Goren/Eames. 

[peacheslatour]

It just hit me that Jane Adams, who played Sylvia the "psychic" in Gift was Mel, Niles' second wife on Frasier.

[WendyCR72]

10 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

It just hit me that Jane Adams, who played Sylvia the "psychic" in Gift was Mel, Niles' second wife on Frasier.

I never even knew Niles was married besides the unseen Maris and Daphne. Huh. On a side note, David Hyde Pierce hails from my area.

In "The Gift", the actress that played Sylvia played Sylvia a bit spaced out to me. But maybe that was supposed to represent an altered state from her epileptic seizures.

As Alex said about her boyfriend, Julian, true love was his only redeeming feature, although Bobby Canavale was pretty decent in the role! The actress (Florencia Lozano) playing the art dealer accused of having an affair with the victim's father, as I think I said before, was the same actress to play Theresa, widow of Eames' late husband's partner, in "Amends" in S7.

[peacheslatour]

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I never even knew Niles was married besides the unseen Maris and Daphne. Huh. On a side note, David Hyde Pierce hails from my area.

Yup, They get married in season 7. Right after that, Niles declares his love for Daphne and wants to divorce Mel. She agrees as long as he pretends they are still happily married for a specified period of time but that kept getting longer and longer until Daphne gives Niles an ultimatum.

Edited July 12, 2022 by peacheslatour

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Yup, They get married in season 7. Right after that, Niles declares his love for Daphne and wants to divorce Mel. She agrees as long as he pretends they are still happily married for a specified period of time but that kept getting longer and longer until Daphne gives Niles an ultimatum.

Huh! Never knew that. Thanks.

Today, Sundance showed a bunch of S2 episodes, one of them "Cherry Red". I know we discussed this, but I still get a kick out of Alex telling Bobby that he had to come out of that classic Porsche or whatever it was. And the scene with Carver looking at the toy cars as Alex talks of their play date was good, too.

And seeing Lewis again as he helped identify the cars by their tire tracks (and, again, his second and last physical appearance). Liked his drawling "Detective Alex" when he saw her, again.

[Xeliou66]

40 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Huh! Never knew that. Thanks.

Today, Sundance showed a bunch of S2 episodes, one of them "Cherry Red". I know we discussed this, but I still get a kick out of Alex telling Bobby that he had to come out of that classic Porsche or whatever it was. And the scene with Carver looking at the toy cars as Alex talks of their play date was good, too.

And seeing Lewis again as he helped identify the cars by their tire tracks (and, again, his second and last physical appearance). Liked his drawling "Detective Alex" when he saw her, again.

Cherry Red is a great episode, it's been a while since I've seen it but I liked the twist that it was the sorry old man dad who killed the victim at the start to prevent his son from going to jail for the murder committed before the episode started, not because he liked his son but because he was just a freeloader who wanted his son to take care of him and do everything for him. I also love Carver and Goren looking at the cars, Carver was always so reserved and serious I liked having a lighter moment with him. And it was nice to see Lewis again.

[peacheslatour]

12 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Cherry Red is a great episode, it's been a while since I've seen it but I liked the twist that it was the sorry old man dad who killed the victim at the start to prevent his son from going to jail for the murder committed before the episode started, not because he liked his son but because he was just a freeloader who wanted his son to take care of him and do everything for him. I also love Carver and Goren looking at the cars, Carver was always so reserved and serious I liked having a lighter moment with him. And it was nice to see Lewis again.

Bobby: ""What will happen to me? Who will take care of meee?"

[WendyCR72]

21 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Cherry Red is a great episode, it's been a while since I've seen it but I liked the twist that it was the sorry old man dad who killed the victim at the start to prevent his son from going to jail for the murder committed before the episode started, not because he liked his son but because he was just a freeloader who wanted his son to take care of him and do everything for him. I also love Carver and Goren looking at the cars, Carver was always so reserved and serious I liked having a lighter moment with him. And it was nice to see Lewis again.

Makes one wonder just where that Porsche ended up since it was bought by plundering the estates of deceased victims!

Got a kick out of Paul Dooley playing the Freeloading Father since I always associated him as the dad in Sixteen Candles! (Which, ironically, is airing now on AMC!)

[Xeliou66]

Vacancy was just on - as I’ve said before I love the cold open of this episode, it’s very creepy. The investigation was good, and then the episode just fizzled towards the end, something about it just didn’t quite work for me, I was unsure of why the killer was so angry at the victim, the perp’s backstory was interesting but I was just unsure of why he chose to go and kill the victim, it seemed so random to me, I was unsure of what triggered the murder exactly. Something about this episode just didn’t quite feel right to me. 

[peacheslatour]

38 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Vacancy was just on - as I’ve said before I love the cold open of this episode, it’s very creepy. The investigation was good, and then the episode just fizzled towards the end, something about it just didn’t quite work for me, I was unsure of why the killer was so angry at the victim, the perp’s backstory was interesting but I was just unsure of why he chose to go and kill the victim, it seemed so random to me, I was unsure of what triggered the murder exactly. Something about this episode just didn’t quite feel right to me. 

Ugh. Emily Bergl. Nuff said.

[WendyCR72]

I know we were probably supposed to see Alex's bias against Alice as misguided/wrong (because of Alex being influenced against drunks because of an incident with her aunt), but Alice was SO damned annoying that I sided with Alex, anyway.

[Xeliou66]

36 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

I know we were probably supposed to see Alex's bias against Alice as misguided/wrong (because of Alex being influenced against drunks because of an incident with her aunt), but Alice was SO damned annoying that I sided with Alex, anyway.

Alice was exceptionally whiny and annoying. Vacancy was an episode that could’ve been really good, but something about it just felt off towards the end. 

[WendyCR72]

10 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Alice was exceptionally whiny and annoying. Vacancy was an episode that could’ve been really good, but something about it just felt off towards the end. 

I liked it. I did think it was creepy that the perp was sort of reliving the time his own mother was stalked (even though he wasn't aware since he was a kid!) and let his anger at his mom for moving him around erupt at a stranger, though...

[Spartan Girl]

God, I hate “Siren Call.” Most egregious example of victim-blaming I’ve ever seen. Oh, the poor asshole cop, his stepdaughter was such a slut, going around with older men—SPARE ME. All that crap about how her mother was never going to beat cancer with her getting into trouble was bullshit. Cancer is gonna cancer, there is no magic wand. And her stupid mother just shrugging off her own daughter’s murder with the “I lost her a long time ago” spiel.

Yeah, the only person I felt sorry in the end for was the little sister. She at least seemed to care about the victim, no matter how flawed she was.