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On 5/4/2020 at 4:59 PM, WendyCR72 said:

Yeah, but I think many like to forget that. LOL! Because the characters like Lennie acted so out of character. But in terms of a SERIES of movies, @wknt3 would be right. That has never been done.

 

12 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I never watched it. I just saw it on my TV schedule.


I think you mean "I just thought I saw it on my TV schedule" seeing as how it never happened...

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Oh you guys, such sad news. Richard Belzer, dead at 78 Richard Belzer, who began his career as a comedian and morphed into his iconic role of police detective John Munch first in Homicide: L

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13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Well, the character left angry at the system, but at least he was still breathing. But, considering his last ending, I guess "better" wasn't a high bar to reach!

Yeah but at least they got Logan off of Staten Island and to Major Case, and it was great to see him again. I’m really glad that CI corrected some of the errors of the awful movie and gave Logan better material. 

It still blows my mind to know that the writer of that shit movie won an award for it. It shows how those awards mean nothing and are not based on quality. 

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17 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’m really glad that CI corrected some of the errors of the awful movie and gave Logan better material. 

17 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

What movie?

What @peacheslatour said!

I have NO idea of what you speaketh of! Logan left the mothership in 1995 and then returned on this show 10 years later. 😉

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Speaking of Mike Logan, Chris Noth has a new gig - on a re-imagined version of The Equalizer which has been handed a series order. As with the original series, it will air on CBS. It stars Queen Latifah in the main role and also features Lorraine Toussaint (who also recurred on The Mothership as Shambala Green!).

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So I have the SiriusXM site up and on the Hallmark Christmas music channel [which usually is only around for the holidays, but it was strangely restarted once the pandemic hit], Alicia Witt was singing some duet with a guy whose name now escapes me called "Merry Christmas, I Missed You". Not the best singing, but neither was she awful.

And now I can leave that channel as the song is done. Too schmaltzy for me, at least now. But I saw her name and got curious!

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Among the episodes on WE today was "Alpha Dog". Every time I see the perp hubby played by Roger Rees, who was Robin Colcort on Cheers, I could not get over how gaunt he looked, compared to his time on Cheers. 😞 I thought it was illness, but I see he did not pass away until 2015.

Maybe it was just his getting older. This episode wasn't "bad", per se, and at heart was a husband murdering his wife's lover. But all the twists and turns and Alex knowing one of those involved from her old police days, it was just a wee bit too chaotic for me.

Still got a kick out of S8 as a whole with its being so out of order with Bobby's changing hair length and beard/lack of beard. (Which we discussed.) I still do wonder about the production order. I'm thinking "Faithfully" may have been meant as a premiere with Bobby returning early from his family visit, etc. Guess we'll never know.

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4 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Among the episodes on WE today was "Alpha Dog". Every time I see the perp hubby played by Roger Rees, who was Robin Colcort on Cheers, I could not get over how gaunt he looked, compared to his time on Cheers. 😞 I thought it was illness, but I see he did not pass away until 2015.

Maybe it was just his getting older. This episode wasn't "bad", per se, and at heart was a husband murdering his wife's lover. But all the twists and turns and Alex knowing one of those involved from her old police days, it was just a wee bit too chaotic for me.

Still got a kick out of S8 as a whole with its being so out of order with Bobby's changing hair length and beard/lack of beard. (Which we discussed.) I still do wonder about the production order. I'm thinking "Faithfully" may have been meant as a premiere with Bobby returning early from his family visit, etc. Guess we'll never know.

Faithfully was definitely meant as the premiere IMO, it made sense with Goren returning from visiting family and all. 

Season 8 wasn’t bad at all IMO, for the most part the episodes were good, however the order of the episodes was thrown off some, and it still makes me laugh that they never show “The Glory That Was” on reruns because apparently some Brazilians got offended over the episode, it’s ridiculous that it’s never shown. 

Alpha Dog was decent, but it was hard to keep straight who was who and the plot was rather overly complex, but it was still a decent episode. 

Season 8 wasn’t as good as seasons 1-5, but it felt like somewhat of a return to form after the soapy dreck of seasons 6-7. 

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Watching Palimpsest right now, where Nichols old flame's father is murdered and think what an excellent vehicle it would have been for Goren. He runs into a woman he once loved in the course of the investigation, she is beautiful, romantic and dreamy. His love for her is obvious but she has lost her mind and is like a delicate flower. Bobby would have been heartbreaking in the role of a man grieving over a lost love.

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1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

Watching Palimpsest right now, where Nichols old flame's father is murdered and think what an excellent vehicle it would have been for Goren. He runs into a woman he once loved in the course of the investigation, she is beautiful, romantic and dreamy. His love for her is obvious but she has lost her mind and is like a delicate flower. Bobby would have been heartbreaking in the role of a man grieving over a lost love.

Got to disagree here. Not necessarily about a lost love but her having schizophrenia. Goren was already dealing with that issue 24/7 with his mother. I think a girlfriend having it would have been overkill. Overkill was actually already achieved once we met his heretofore unknown bipolar (or whatever) nephew, Donny. But tomato, tomahto! 🙂

Although "Palimpsest" highlighted the writers seemed to fall on schizophrenia as an issue constantly. They should have thought of another condition now and then.

As an aside? I HATE "Palimpsest". It felt nothing like CI and the stilted Harlequin-esque dialogue from almost everyone drove me batty. And no way would Nichols be allowed to be the investigating officer if this were the Mothership. And I said the same thing about Alex in "Amends" as she reopened the case of her husband's death. (At least, in that case, the show tried to explain it by Eames telling Ross that she never took her husband's last name so no one could tie her to the case.)

And, I STILL ask, what was the point of the British woman Nichols was talking to? Meh.

Yes, I'm nitpicky, why do you ask?  😉

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6 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Got to disagree here. Not necessarily about a lost love but her having schizophrenia. Goren was already dealing with that issue 24/7 with his mother. I think a girlfriend having it would have been overkill. Overkill was actually already achieved once we met his heretofore unknown bipolar (or whatever) nephew, Donny. But tomato, tomahto! 🙂

Although "Palimpsest" highlighted the writers seemed to fall on schizophrenia as an issue constantly. They should have thought of another condition now and then.

As an aside? I HATE "Palimpsest". It felt nothing like CI and the stilted Harlequin-esque dialogue from almost everyone drove me batty. And no way would Nichols be allowed to be the investigating officer if this were the Mothership. And I said the same thing about Alex in "Amends" as she reopened the case of her husband's death. (At least, in that case, the show tried to explain it by Eames telling Ross that she never took her husband's last name so no one could tie her to the case.)

And, I STILL ask, what was the point of the British woman Nichols was talking to? Meh.

Yes, I'm nitpicky, why do you ask?  😉

Palimpsest was a disaster, what a joke of an episode. Nothing about it felt like CI, I don’t know what the fuck it felt like but it was really odd and not in a good way, and it was a poor concept that was poorly executed. And yeah I’m glad Goren never had some “lost love” with mental health problems, that would’ve been way overboard, since Goren already dealt with a mentally ill mother, plus the issues with his brother and nephew. 

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13 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Palimpsest was a disaster, what a joke of an episode. Nothing about it felt like CI, I don’t know what the fuck it felt like but it was really odd and not in a good way, and it was a poor concept that was poorly executed. And yeah I’m glad Goren never had some “lost love” with mental health problems, that would’ve been way overboard, since Goren already dealt with a mentally ill mother, plus the issues with his brother and nephew. 

And I guess it differs for each viewer, but Lenore was such a DRIP. I have no idea why Zack would be so in love with her and, of course, it was funny that we never heard of this grand love affair before this episode or after.

"Palimpsest" could best be described (to me, to clarify!) as someone's fevered dream in the midst of too much cold medicine or something. LOL! As a matter of fact, it would seem like something Goren could have hallucinated during his Tates misadventure when he was zoning out.

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I have said this before, but I still get a kick out of seeing how much Goren and Eames had evolved from Seasons 1 to 10, especially when S10 and S1 have been shown back to back.

Ah, "The Third Horseman", with Dennis the doc killer is on now. I know a kettle was used for the wife not to hear the shot, but wouldn't her kid have SCREAMED? Oh, well.

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So WE had its late-night marathon on last night/early this morning, and one of the episodes, "Phantom", (the one with Michael Emerson pretending to work at the UN), Goren mentions this guy had NO bank accounts or credit cards, etc.

I know this was based on a real case in France (where the kids ended up dead, sadly, and I think the spouse, too...), but in this episode, how would the wife NOT find that at ALL strange? Even if this guy handled all the bills, wouldn't the wife at least want receipts or whatever? And she NEVER visited him at his supposed place of employment? I don't know. It just made the wife look extremely naive at best and dumb as a box of rocks at worst.

Of course, I like the show, and Emerson rocked it as the guy feeling the walls close in. But this rendition of a real crime had holes a truck could drive through, IMO.

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7 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

how would the wife NOT find that at ALL strange? Even if this guy handled all the bills, wouldn't the wife at least want receipts or whatever? And she NEVER visited him at his supposed place of employment? I don't know. It just made the wife look extremely naive at best and dumb as a box of rocks at worst.

I know and have known women who are like this. I couldn’t live like that. 

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On 5/20/2020 at 5:35 PM, peacheslatour said:

I always thought Jamey Sheridan looked really familiar. He was Randall Flagg in the original The Stand mini series.

Never saw it, not for the lack of trying by friends in college that had a watch party. But I don't do scary movies or whatever if I can help it! (Huge chicken here. Cluck, cluck!)

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On 5/26/2020 at 1:41 AM, WendyCR72 said:

Never saw it, not for the lack of trying by friends in college that had a watch party. But I don't do scary movies or whatever if I can help it! (Huge chicken here. Cluck, cluck!)

 You REALLY don't want to watch it now, in the time of Covid-19! I liked Jamey Sheridan in The Ice Storm; that was sad but not scary.

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8 hours ago, wknt3 said:

So Crimininal Intent is trending on Twitter! Unfortunately it's because some blowhard was going on about "LAW & ORDER" but at least people besides us are talking about the show again...

I saw that! Yeah, the context was not optimal, but it also got "Dick Wolf" trending as well as "Criminal Intent". So yeah. Glad to know some do realize the franchise is/was more than just the Mothership and SVU.  😎

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2 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I saw that! Yeah, the context was not optimal, but it also got "Dick Wolf" trending as well as "Criminal Intent". So yeah. Glad to know some do realize the franchise is/was more than just the Mothership and SVU.  😎

Heck I saw a couple of blue check mark accounts bring up UK and Trial By Jury! Even Hate Crimes. Nobody mentioning True Crime though which might be part of the reason it was one and done...

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I saw Mad Hops today, that’s probably my favorite episode with Bishop, Goren and Bishop had established enough chemistry at this point that the dull Bishop didn’t detract from the episode, and one of my favorite season 3 episodes overall, very strong and intricate plot with a lot of good investigative work. I found Powell to be smug and despicable, and I didn’t find Karen Watkins to be very sympathetic either, she was just leading Powell on in order to help her son. 

I liked the scene in the morgue with Goren and ME Rodgers with Goren getting up close with the body and Rodgers having to take the swab from him as Goren was going to swab the nose himself. The interactions between Rodgers and the detectives, especially Goren, were always entertaining. 

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35 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

I saw Mad Hops today, that’s probably my favorite episode with Bishop, Goren and Bishop had established enough chemistry at this point that the dull Bishop didn’t detract from the episode, and one of my favorite season 3 episodes overall, very strong and intricate plot with a lot of good investigative work. I found Powell to be smug and despicable, and I didn’t find Karen Watkins to be very sympathetic either, she was just leading Powell on in order to help her son. 

I liked the scene in the morgue with Goren and ME Rodgers with Goren getting up close with the body and Rodgers having to take the swab from him as Goren was going to swab the nose himself. The interactions between Rodgers and the detectives, especially Goren, were always entertaining. 

Bobby has this hilarious habit of touching things that drives both criminals and law enforcement crazy. I forget the name of the episode, they were investigating a sad vampire club and they were in a collectibles store. Goren picks up a toy gun with seven different functions. He had a blast firing off every one of the things it does while the store owner was practically in tears.

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2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I forget the name of the episode, they were investigating a sad vampire club and they were in a collectibles store. Goren picks up a toy gun with seven different functions. He had a blast firing off every one of the things it does while the store owner was practically in tears.

Wasn't that "Collective"? I think it was on yesterday, either WE or ION. One of my favorite scenes, looked like he was having so much fun!

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2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Bobby has this hilarious habit of touching things that drives both criminals and law enforcement crazy. I forget the name of the episode, they were investigating a sad vampire club and they were in a collectibles store. Goren picks up a toy gun with seven different functions. He had a blast firing off every one of the things it does while the store owner was practically in tears.

That was downright hilarious, it was from the episode Collective. I don’t care for that episode but that scene is one of my favorite Goren scenes and one of the funniest scenes in CI history. 

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6 hours ago, Broderbits said:

Wasn't that "Collective"? I think it was on yesterday, either WE or ION. One of my favorite scenes, looked like he was having so much fun!

It was "Collective", yeah. And yeah, it was on either WE or Oxygen just the other night. I think the latter. But that was a hilarious scene. And I loved the Philly cop playing blind and saying, "I'm going for a walk." as Bobby started in with the gun.

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"Rock Star" is on MyNetwork now in my area. (I stress that because other parts of the country keeps the back-to-back 2-hour block. But my area has an early news on at 9, breaking the block so one episode airs before the news and one after.) And this episode (introducing Nichols), with the musicians, I really still do not get why Major Case was needed.

Yes, the explanation was the demographics of the neighborhood, but I still think the regular detectives from the Mothership would have investigated just fine! Oh, well.

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8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

"Rock Star" is on MyNetwork now in my area. (I stress that because other parts of the country keeps the back-to-back 2-hour block. But my area has an early news on at 9, breaking the block so one episode airs before the news and one after.) And this episode (introducing Nichols), with the musicians, I really still do not get why Major Case was needed.

Yes, the explanation was the demographics of the neighborhood, but I still think the regular detectives from the Mothership would have investigated just fine! Oh, well.

Hey they made an effort! That's more than the last 5 seasons of SVU has done! Seriously this is an issue with any series featuring a specialized or elite unit that lasts more than a few seasons. Either they have to come up with reasons for why the unit is working cases they normally wouldn't or they become stale and repetitive in the COTW plots. Some do it better than others - I always liked the way The Closer did the transition from Priority Homicide to Major Crimes since it was an interesting storyline as well as a way of expanding their purview a bit. I'm willing to let the writers handwave it away as long as they make an effort. Especially if the explanation is politics or bureaucratic stupidity since in real life that explains a lot of stuff that makes no logical sense.

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14 hours ago, wknt3 said:

Hey they made an effort! That's more than the last 5 seasons of SVU has done!

Okay, you got me there!  😉

Actually, I think, as you say, CI stretched that reasoning for a while. It also seemed to come up a lot for some reason in the odd S9 about what is MCS worthy and what is not.

I will say, when the show came back for its last hurrah, I do think there was a better effort to make these cases something that the MCS would devote time to, as well. Another reason I liked that final season.

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On 6/5/2020 at 7:03 PM, peacheslatour said:

I just finished watching The Dark. The guy was killing homeless dudes and selling their body parts to labs? Because his wife had a "daughter" named jenny who was a calcified fetus? I get all that but where did the money go?

Well, now I can’t stop thinking about it! I guess Butch was giving it to Rose to give to Jenny and she was ... giving it to the homeless shelter? Buying sweet pickle relish by the barrel? 

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7 hours ago, Sigmagirl said:

Well, now I can’t stop thinking about it! I guess Butch was giving it to Rose to give to Jenny and she was ... giving it to the homeless shelter? Buying sweet pickle relish by the barrel? 

Yeah, we got into a lengthy discussion about this one in the old forum. What a creepy episode that was! Good question about the money! Pickle relish. Hee. I doubt even Rose could tell you what she did with the money as it was crystal clear that she had advancing dementia.

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