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[Melgaypet]

Let's watch that:

God, Tea was a nasty piece of work. And this isn't Labine's work, obviously, but you can never have too much defenestration:

Ugh, Victodd.

And just because it's my birthday and it makes me happy to watch it, Hos vs. Mos:

[AndySmith]

Let us all cleanse our palettes with this classic scene. Introduced by Reba McIntire, natch.

 

Edited November 12, 2016 by AndySmith

[TeeVee329]

13 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

It's weird, I associate her so strongly with GH, that I'm always taken aback when I'm reminded she worked on OLTL.

Yeah, same.  I didn't realize/remember she created Tea.

[TeeVee329]

4 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

And just because it's my birthday and it makes me happy to watch it, Hos vs. Mos:

 

Truly, there's never a wrong time to watch someone tell a scheming stripper that there isn't a moat BIG ENOUGH to keep her safe.

Edited November 12, 2016 by TeeVee329

[UYI]

Minor correction:

Peggy Sloane and Jean Passanante created Tea at the tail end of their 1996 headwriting stint.

 

Claire Labine DEFINITELY expanded and fleshed out her character, though.

[TeeVee329]

I was just talking about this Kyle/Fish moment from the KAD storyline in the GH thread and I thought I'd post it here.  Realizing what a mess his sister has gotten him into, Kyle tries to flee Todd's house, but - in a soapy as fuck moment - opens the door and runs right into Fish, who eventually arrests him.

And here's the preceding clip which is, I believe, the only time Kyle and (the awful recast) Rebecca share a scene.

[Melgaypet]

big eyes, frozen smile: Wow...little brother.

I'd forgotten how terrible she was. Oh, to think of what would have been if they had been able to get Reiko Aylesworth back!

And Fish arresting Kyle! Heee. Reality doesn't always match up to fantasy, does it, Kyle? Poor guy, just not having a great night. I suppose that's what happens to blackmailers, but aw.

[TeeVee329]

Yeah, she's...not great.  I don't remember if it was jsbt or dubbel zout who noted on TWoP that the show cared more about her having similar curly brunette hair.

It makes me sad because, gawd, there was ton of great drama they could have mined for Kish from Kyle and Rebecca's relationship.  Alas.

[Melgaypet]

Nora agrees to be Kevin's lawyer and insists on representing his fraternity brothers as well. Oh, Nora. You'll regret that. Also, is it me, or is it hilarious that she tells Kevin she wants to represent him because of his connection to Bo and Rachel and in her very next breath claims her personal feelings aren't important.

Edited November 20, 2016 by Melgaypet

[AndySmith]

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Oh, Nora. You'll regret that

Yeah, but we got some really well written, well acted scenes from this storyline. Especially once Nora realizes Todd and Co. were guilty.

[jsbt]

Still an excellent scene.

And what hits me hardest now is how far we've gone back from that. Look at the Brock Turner case: It's Todd Manning and the KAD boys unbound, in 2016. Nora's dialogue about them could be verbatim.

Edited November 20, 2016 by jsbt

[UYI]

One of the only times I ever found Luna useful: when she hit Todd with a lead pipe (found between a radio station and a bar...okay then) and gave him his scar. Of course, she actually hit the BACK of his head, rather than his face, but details.

Edited November 20, 2016 by UYI

[UYI]

And the scene right before it: Marty takes off her rape shield on the radio show "Luna's Loveline", which sent Todd after her.

Edited November 20, 2016 by UYI

[AndySmith]

This was another powerful scene from that story. Both Susan Haskell and Roger Howarth did a great job. Todd really was repulsive here.

[TeeVee329]

20 hours ago, Melgaypet said:

Nora agrees to be Kevin's lawyer and insists on representing his fraternity brothers as well. Oh, Nora. You'll regret that. Also, is it me, or is it hilarious that she tells Kevin she wants to represent him because of his connection to Bo and Rachel and in her very next breath claims her personal feelings aren't important.

Is it bad that my first reaction to this was that Kevin and Rachel look way too old to be in college?  I'm sure the styles of the time are somewhat to blame, but still.

Also, why did Kevin and Rachel end up breaking up?

[Melgaypet]

5 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Is it bad that my first reaction to this was that Kevin and Rachel look way too old to be in college?  I'm sure the styles of the time are somewhat to blame, but still.

In those clips, Kirk Geiger and Ellen Bethea were 24 and 26, respectively. Ellen Bethea - I'm trying to think of a way to say this that doesn't sound vaguely insulting, because I do really think she's gorgeous - but she never seemed to look...young. Not old, certainly, but not youthful.  It was especially weird after they cast Timothy D. Stickney as her uncle (and possible father), and they looked the same age.

The entire college-age crowd of that time - Marty, Rachel, Kevin, Todd - feel older. (Susan Haskell and Roger Howarth would have both been around 25 at the time.) The college crowd of Starr, Langston, Cole, and Markko all seem like children in comparison, don't they? Maybe it's the styles, maybe it's my memories of watching when I was 12 as opposed to seeing Starr grow up from a baby, maybe it's the storylines.

[AndySmith]

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Kirk Geiger and Ellen Bethea

My favorite Kevin and my favorite Rachel.

[Melgaypet]

Happy Thanksgiving, my OLTL peeps!

 

[TeeVee329]

On ‎11‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 1:15 AM, AndySmith said:

My favorite Kevin and my favorite Rachel.

This reminds me of my based-on-nothing-really theory that my favorite Kevin (Dan Gauthier) and my favorite Rachel (Daphnee Duplaix) would have really clicked together.

[Panopticon]

5 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

This reminds me of my based-on-nothing-really theory that my favorite Kevin (Dan Gauthier) and my favorite Rachel (Daphnee Duplaix) would have really clicked together.

I have had that same theory based on the same nothing.

[Melgaypet]

Me three! I've had vague Rachel/Kevin storyline ideas banging around my head for years, and it's always Duplaix and Gauthier I visualize. If nothing else, they'd be a very pretty couple.

[TeeVee329]

Kevin and Rachel make sense as an endgame.  Kevin certainly doesn't deserve to end up with Kelly.  I'm sure some would argue for Kevin and Cassie (I wasn't watching when they were together), but I'd prefer her with Andrew.

And we'll just find another girl for Schuyler. ;)

[dubbel zout]

Poor Schuyler. I hated that they turned him into a possible perv.

[eXiled]

5 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

This reminds me of my based-on-nothing-really theory that my favorite Kevin (Dan Gauthier) and my favorite Rachel (Daphnee Duplaix) would have really clicked together.

Daphnee Duplaix's Rachel didn't seem age appropriate, either, though. I always thought she seemed young when compared to TSJ's Todd, Dan Gauthier's Kevin and Susan Haskell. There was a quick scene once where she interacted with TSJ, who I've always thought had a boyish quality (when not scowling). There was no way they were the same age.

And as much as I think she and Dan would have sparked, I really fell in love with Rachel/Schuyler.

[Melgaypet]

Put Schuyler with an adult Starr, I say.

ETA: I loved Schuyler and Rachel together and the show was clearly gearing up for that pairing before the Great Purge, but I don't know how well they would have worked long-term. Part of me was intrigued and part of me thinks a romance would have ruined an awesome friendship.

Edited November 29, 2016 by Melgaypet

[TeeVee329]

I have ideas about the right lady for Schuyler, but that falls more into fan fic territory lol.

I do think that there was a possibility for some scorching hot hate sex between Schuyler and Kim, though.

ETA...and I was totally in Schuyler/Rachel at the time.  A story where Schuyler tumbled off the wagon after all his losses and Rachel helping him pick up the pieces (with assists from Roxy and Kyle) and them finding love would have been dynamite.

Edited November 29, 2016 by TeeVee329

[boes]

On 11/24/2016 at 8:07 PM, Melgaypet said:

Happy Thanksgiving, my OLTL peeps!

 

I miss this show so very, very much.  And I miss the AMC that was, before the Lavery infestation.

But most of all, I miss this.  The class, the heart, the emotional honesty that was the best of OLTL.

There will never be another.

[AndySmith]

When it was good, OLTL was very, very good.

[UYI]

17 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Kevin and Rachel make sense as an endgame.  Kevin certainly doesn't deserve to end up with Kelly.  I'm sure some would argue for Kevin and Cassie (I wasn't watching when they were together), but I'd prefer her with Andrew.

And we'll just find another girl for Schuyler. ;)

I'll be the asshole who says she loved Sky & Gigi. Because I did. I really wanted them together. I loved Gigi for a long time. I'm not sure Kevin & Cassie should  be endgame, but they were HOT. And it's interesting to see how this minister's wife wound up looking somewhere else. And the scenes where she tells Andrew are heartbreaking.

[TeeVee329]

2 minutes ago, UYI said:

I'll be the asshole who says she loved Sky & Gigi. Because I did. I really wanted them together.

They did have chemistry and some cute moments (the one with the ear buds after the concert being the best), but once the show made it explicitly clear that Schuyler was going under the bus for Rex, I just wanted him out of their orbit.

[Melgaypet]

Sky and Gigi were cute and Farah Fath had better chemistry with Scott Clifton. But the show was perfectly clear that they were a temporary obstacle to the "true love" reunion of Gex (to this day I remain baffled over how exactly the reveal of Schuyler's wrongdoings absolved Rex of his, but that's how the story played), so there was no point in getting invested.

1 hour ago, UYI said:

And it's interesting to see how this minister's wife wound up looking somewhere else. And the scenes where she tells Andrew are heartbreaking.

And yet, also a little funny? At least, the one line where she first told him. I wish I could remember it perfectly, something like going grocery shopping, running some errands, and sleeping with Kevin Buchanan.

I went to youtube to look for that scene and couldn't find it, but I did find this one and was intrigued by the title. I don't remember this Cassie-Viki scene, but it's good. Viki is soo characteristically condescending here.

[AndySmith]

This was during Dorian's trial for the murder of Victor Lord. Good times...

[TeeVee329]

That reminds me of a scene I stumbled upon not too long ago, where Viki slaps a drunk, ranting Marty:

Billy Douglas is also there, which reminded me of my idea of - if the show hadn't kiboshed Kish - recasting Billy and having him be their lawyer during the custody fight over Sierra.

Edited November 30, 2016 by TeeVee329

[AndySmith]

Marty was both out of line and on point at the same time.

Also, something I can't say enough, but, shut up, Sloane.

[jsbt]

IMO Daphnee Duplaix projected more than enough maturity to play off Gauthier, Susan Haskell, etc. I have said it umpteen times but I absolutely would pair Kevin and Rachel together as a married tentpole couple were the show ever to be revived, which it won't.

I liked Kevin and Cassie in their day but the ship sailed when he abandoned her to sleep with his nurse and then Kelly. I love Cassie but I feel like she might as well just have a happy ending with Andrew.

Edited November 30, 2016 by jsbt

[dubbel zout]

46 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

to this day I remain baffled over how exactly the reveal of Schuyler's wrongdoings absolved Rex of his

Because TIIC decided Rex had to have the hero edit. Ugh.

[AndySmith]

This show did give us one of the best rivalries ever, between Viki and Dorian. Of course, it wasn't as simple as them having a rivalry, it was more complex than that. ES and RS had such great chemistry that even in scenes which were more low key, they still did amazing work.

 

[Panopticon]

On 11/29/2016 at 5:39 PM, TeeVee329 said:

Kevin and Rachel make sense as an endgame.  Kevin certainly doesn't deserve to end up with Kelly.

He didn't... but I really enjoyed them during Heather Tom's time as Kelly. I was the most casual of watchers, but I still flinch at the memory of him stalking out and slamming the door after he realizes Kelly has tricked him so that Blair can have his New Years Eve airtime to sing for the missing Victodd. The ring snatch scene was soapiness refined to its purest level, and even after the Duke idiocy I was almost sold by that scene where Kevin wills baby Zane to live.

On 11/29/2016 at 5:51 PM, Melgaypet said:

Put Schuyler with an adult Starr, I say.

Yes! Please give Starr a man who is not a mouthbreather. As inappropriate as it was when she was a kid, they did have chemistry.

Oh wait... now that you all remind me that he was a Morasco worshipper, no. No Morasco worshippers need apply to be anywhere near anyone named Manning. Starr already had a relationship based around "your father raped my mother so I win." She doesn't need one based around "your brother could have killed multiple Morascos so I win."

[TeeVee329]

36 minutes ago, Panopticon said:

Oh wait... now that you all remind me that he [Schuyler] was a Morasco worshipper, no. No Morasco worshippers need apply to be anywhere near anyone named Manning. Starr already had a relationship based around "your father raped my mother so I win." She doesn't need one based around "your brother could have killed multiple Morascos so I win."

Well, I doubt Schuyler is a Morasco worshipper anymore, given Stacy and Gigi basically ruined his life.

On the flip side, there's Uncle VicTodd's role in the suicide of his adopted mother Leah Joplin to consider.

[Melgaypet]

22 hours ago, Panopticon said:

Oh wait... now that you all remind me that he was a Morasco worshipper, no. No Morasco worshippers need apply to be anywhere near anyone named Manning. Starr already had a relationship based around "your father raped my mother so I win." She doesn't need one based around "your brother could have killed multiple Morascos so I win."

 

21 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Well, I doubt Schuyler is a Morasco worshipper anymore, given Stacy and Gigi basically ruined his life.

On the flip side, there's Uncle VicTodd's role in the suicide of his adopted mother Leah Joplin to consider.

I agree. And with Stacy dead for reals and Gigi, Rex and Shane all gone from Llanview, I don't think they'd be much of a factor in this hypothetical Starr/Sky relationship. I like to think Schuyler spent his time in prison getting his head straight re: his Gigi fixation and he never really was the self-righteous type. I don't think he'd hold Jack and Victor against Starr the way Cole and Marty held Todd against her.

And even if he did, Starr has a comeback: Schuyler's biological father did some awful shit to many, many members of her family.

Mostly, I thought Alderson and Clifton sparked together and I loved that the characters actually had a common interest in science. (What did Cole and Starr ever have in common, besides fighting VicTodd and eventually their baby?) Starr acted somewhat like her old smart self around Schuyler. Right up until SC got the axe, I was hoping the show would revisit them when Starr was old enough, without the squicky teacher/student stuff to get in the way.

[jsbt]

Since I'm in here, just wanted to add something re: Kevin days later - while I would put him with Rachel as the tentpoles on a new show, I don't think they'd be free of potential straying from their marriage. I know stories I'd like to see with Rachel, and I think Kelly is the perpetual one that got away for both Kevin and Joey and a major story issue to be dealt with, not just with Kevin's son (Zane) or with Kevin and his new wife, but with what it did to the two brothers, a recurring issue the show played with but never fully explored.

You'd have to bring Kelly in at some point, for at least stints. I think she is deep in Kevin's blood and when DG and Heather Tom were in the roles I actually thought they were twisted soulmates. I also thought Dan and Gina had great chemistry. Unfortunately the show didn't go back there, and they had her drift back to Joey at the end which I felt just cheapened the deeper, more messy stuff that had been built with Kevin and Kelly. It made her look like what she so often had been: Flighty and confused about her life, who she is and who she wants. I don't think Kelly will ever necessarily find stability in her life, let alone with anyone in the Buchanan family. I'd play with Kevin and Kelly a lot but given Gina's last stint I don't think I'd commit to them again.

[UYI]

I wish there had been a story where Blair and/or Kelly found out who their fathers were. I know some long time fans like to imagine that Kelly was born during Melinda's marriage to Peter Janssen in the early 80s. And Blair's father being a rapist would have been interesting, considering her own true love was a rapist himself. (Actually, sad is the word I'm looking for there, not interesting).

[jsbt]

Oh, I had a Blair's father story on ice for years. He would be this kind of reformed trailer park dude who had reinvented himself as a business tycoon, sweeping his rape of Addie under the rug and determined to keep it there. He'd also sired some Florida redneck younger son who would be Blair's half-brother - also swept under the rug by their well-to-do father - and the key to the mystery.  I even had picked out an actor: Nicholas Coster, a legendary performer who had big stints on AW and Santa Barbara.

[Melgaypet]

I used to have the vague idea of making Kyle Blair's brother somehow, though I didn't figure out any details. I think that was borne out of a desire to have Kassie dePaiva and Brett Claywell share scenes with their Southern drawls. Then I decided it was stupid if he was both Rebecca and Blair's brother. Then I decided, no, that kind of thing happens in soaps all the time. Then I forgot about it.

[TeeVee329]

I never felt an urge for Kyle (or Fish, for that matter) to be a secret relative of anybody.  I thought their professions and close friendships gave them sturdy enough ties and - as I've said many times before - I envisioned Roxy as the matriarch of the working class/outsiders sliver of the canvas with Kyle and Schuyler as her "sons".

[Melgaypet]

I mostly agree. I always wanted to dig into Kyle's family background, though. I definitely wouldn't want any bio relatives to displace his relationship with Roxy - I loved them. And there was lots of story potential in his rivalry with Schuyler. There's also Natalie - I so wanted Natalie and Kyle to be friends. They could bond over their hatred of Kim and give each other shit. She could have dragooned him into her paternity drama. (Related: every time the LPD has a case involving an illegal or tampered-with DNA test - so, once a week - I imagine Fish anxiously reviewing the file and breathing a sigh of relief when Kyle is not involved.)

[UYI]

50 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

I used to have the vague idea of making Kyle Blair's brother somehow, though I didn't figure out any details. I think that was borne out of a desire to have Kassie dePaiva and Brett Claywell share scenes with their Southern drawls. Then I decided it was stupid if he was both Rebecca and Blair's brother. Then I decided, no, that kind of thing happens in soaps all the time. Then I forgot about it.

Am I the only one who didn't notice Kassie's drawl all that often, except when she was yelling? I know in the early years she was specifically told to drop it, because Susan Batten was on the show then, and I guess they didn't want their Kentucky/North Carolina accents competing with each other when Blair and Luna were fighting. And you couldn't MISS Susan's thick accent from anywhere! 

[TeeVee329]

1 minute ago, Melgaypet said:

I so wanted Natalie and Kyle to be friends. They could bond over their hatred of Kim and give each other shit. She could have dragooned him into her paternity drama. (

Oh, 100% absolutely, I too would have had them bury the hatchet (via Kyle becoming a "son" to Roxy) and become snarky friends who went out for drinks and talked shit about people they didn't like, namely Kim, and Natalie would be sure to bring up the stripping at her bachelorette party in front of Fish just to fuck with him.

[Gigi43]

For a while I wanted Nash to end up being a long lost brother of Blair's. usually Im not crazy about connecting people to the big families, David stood on his own for years and had a place as a guy among the Cramer women. There was no need to make him a Buchanan what so ever. But Blair... well she has Dorian, who has chosen Kelly over her in the past. More than Nash specifically I wanted Blair to have someone that would be just Side Blair, since Todd had Viki even choosing him over Kevin at one time. Blair always got stiffed.

Edited December 10, 2016 by Gigi43

[dubbel zout]

No one will ever convince me it was necessary to make David a Buchanan. It was nearly as dumb as making Rex Clint's son. UGH.