SuperNormal: Public Appearances, Tweets, Media And Other Social Media Of The SPN Cast

[catrox14]

52 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I posted this in the episode thread but it should be here for posterity. TVLine Quote of the Week from 13x10

http://tvline.com/gallery/riverdale-fascist-barbie-best-tv-quotes/#!7/supernatural-tastes-like-lizard-quote/

Jensen's line delivery made that whole line work. The emphasis on the right words with the pauses in the right place...PERFECT.

[gonzosgirrl]

Just now, catrox14 said:

Jensen's line delivery made that whole line work. The emphasis on the right words with the pauses in the right place...PERFECT.

Oh yes.  In just those two sentences you get the impression that he's been trying to get Sam to eat something for days and is 100% over it LOL

[Res]

3 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Oh yes.  In just those two sentences you get the impression that he's been trying to get Sam to eat something for days and is 100% over it LOL

Right! And you know Dean probably had to eat some nasty things after being in Purgatory for a year so he adapted. Sam didn't have to deal with that during his "walk in the park" through Purgatory and Hell in a day.

[catrox14]

Things coming out of Orlando Con now.

As expected, Jensen ad libbed running back for the lizard LOL

[catrox14]

LOL no spoilers. A bit about  Misha being paranoid that the boys didn't prank him.

 

 

[Wayward Son]

2 hours ago, Jeddah said:

Do you think there are going to be industry repercussions for this? Do you think Jensen and Jared are mad? The network people are upset that he complimented Brianna and Kim? People in his field of work should watch what they say for sure, but this really seems innocuous in the grand scheme of things.

I thought Jared and Jensen really shouldn’t have made any rape jokes. People on this board thought I was overreacting. But these tweets people get offended by? I truly don’t get it.

Honestly, I think it can come down to peoples preferences (and I include myself in this). People have a tendency to be more forgiving of troubling remarks from those they generally admire, and therefore can easily brush aside the remark knowing that isn’t how they usually behave,  than those they aren’t as into particularly if they perceive a slight being made against their favourite. 

 

Personally, I found the reaction to both the rape joke and RSJ remarks over blown and wasn’t particularly fazed by either. However, objectively I do think a rape joke is much more troubling than an actor stating “I prefer acting pair A over acting pair B”. 

Edited January 21, 2018 by Wayward Son

[ahrtee]

17 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:

However, objectively I do think a rape joke is much more troubling than an actor stating “I prefer acting pair A over acting pair B”. 

I would consider it horrible if I thought they really believed it.  Much of humor is not politically correct, so rule number 1 should be:  KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE.  (I know a lot of people--including me--who've gotten in trouble for some ill-thought-out comments just because they couldn't resist a straight line.)  :)

The main things for me are context and intent.  I can forgive (or at least accept) many things if I think they weren't meant the way they sounded.  Unfortunately, there are also those who think they can pass off some pretty horrible comments (that they really *do* believe) as long as they claim they're "just joking" when called on it.  I don't think that's the case with either of these comments, or pretty much anything we've heard from any SPN cast or crew members.  I do think most people should think first, especially in front of an audience (real or virtual).

[DeeDee79]

9 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

I do think most people should think first, especially in front of an audience (real or virtual).

Very true statement.

[gonzosgirrl]

Bringing J2's joke answer to a fan's question in a con setting into the discussion of Rich's remarks about the actors in the show is a straw man's argument. It just isn't relevant.

If either of the Js tweeted that a guest on an episode was the best they'd ever had, as opposed to, a great actor and guest, I'd feel the same way. The latter compliments the actor in question, the former maligns all that came before, whether the intention was there or not.

[Jeddah]

17 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Bringing J2's joke answer to a fan's question in a con setting into the discussion of Rich's remarks about the actors in the show is a straw man's argument. It just isn't relevant.

If either of the Js tweeted that a guest on an episode was the best they'd ever had, as opposed to, a great actor and guest, I'd feel the same way. The latter compliments the actor in question, the former maligns all that came before, whether the intention was there or not.

I wasn’t even making an argument, so I don’t see how you think I set up a straw man’s argument. I was pointing out my own experience when I found something offensive and others didn’t, and how this time I don’t see offense in something that others clearly do. That is relevant to a discussion of whether or not something is offensive.

[gonzosgirrl]

28 minutes ago, Jeddah said:

I wasn’t even making an argument, so I don’t see how you think I set up a straw man’s argument. I was pointing out my own experience when I found something offensive and others didn’t, and how this time I don’t see offense in something that others clearly do. That is relevant to a discussion of whether or not something is offensive.

You said you don't people being offended by Richard's comments,  using your offense at a totally different situation as an example of something worthy of being offended by.

4 hours ago, Jeddah said:

Do you think there are going to be industry repercussions for this? Do you think Jensen and Jared are mad? The network people are upset that he complimented Brianna and Kim? People in his field of work should watch what they say for sure, but this really seems innocuous in the grand scheme of things.

I thought Jared and Jensen really shouldn’t have made any rape jokes. People on this board thought I was overreacting. But these tweets people get offended by? I truly don’t get it.

[Jeddah]

29 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

You said you don't people being offended by Richard's comments,  using your offense at a totally different situation as an example of something worthy of being offended by.

You said my comments about J2’s comments were a straw man argument. The first part of my comment that you bolded wasn’t about those comments at all. It was a response to Myrelle’s post about how people in tv/film industry need to be wary of what they say on social media, and I was pretty clearly not talking specifically about J2’s comments there.

As for the other part you bolded: This whole thread shows that some people were offended by Briana and Rich’s tweets. Me stating that people were offended by it is not an argument. My surprise at people being offended is my experience, not an argument. I’m not telling anyone they’re wrong. When I said I truly don’t get it, I meant I truly don’t get it. I see things differently than others on this board, and I don’t always understand how they reached their conclusions. That’s not me arguing with anyone or saying they’re wrong.

I could go on a long tangent about  narrative and expository writing versus argumentative writing, but that would be really off topic. 

[Casseiopeia]

[SueB]

This fandom can be both great and horrible.   At the same time.  Any uproar to me is some tetchiness in fandom IMO. 

Brianna was trash talking and it falls flat for some.  Rich was using hyperbole and supporting the show.  Neither are stupid and neither intended an actual insult or shade toward J2.  Of this I am sure.   There have been years of positive feedback towards the show and J2 from both.   Both adore J2 and know their livelihood depends on SPN fans.  There’s no logical reason for them to intentionally really insult either Supernatural or J2. 

But there’s a scarcity mentality at work here.  Anything pro Wayward Sisters is presumed to come at the expense of Supernatural.  Yes, the show gave up ONE episode to feed the Pilot.  But intro of Patience is still worthwhile IMO into the SPN universe.   And Kaia was both essential to the AU plot and fascinating.   I’d be interested in seeing both of them in the future even if WS doesn’t go forward.   And with this scarcity mentality, every text subject to interpretation is scrutinized for insult.  It’s exhausting.  

Edited January 22, 2018 by SueB
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[Casseiopeia]

 

[Casseiopeia]

[Wayward Son]

7 hours ago, SueB said:

This fandom can be both great and horrible.   At the same time.  Any uproar to me is some tetchiness in fandom IMO. 

Brianna was trash talking and it falls flat for some.  Rich was using hyperbole and supporting the show.  Neither are stupid and neither intended an actual insult or shade toward J2.  Of this I am sure.   There have been years of positive feedback towards the show and J2 from both.   Both adore J2 and know their livelihood depends on SPN fans.  There’s no logical reason for them to intentionally really insult either Supernatural or J2. 

But there’s a scarcity mentality at work here.  Anything pro Wayward Sisters is presumed to come at the expense of Supernatural.  Yes, the show gave up ONE episode to feed the Pilot.  But intro of Patience is still worthwhile IMO into the SPN universe.   And Kaia was both essential to the AU plot and fascinating.   I’d be interested in seeing both of them in the future even if WS doesn’t go forward.   And with this scarcity mentality, every text subject to interpretation is scrutinized for insult.  It’s exhausting.  

I have to agree that this fandom can be extremely tiring at times. The constant need to read everything on and off screen in the worst light possible definitely does suck the fun out of being a fan. 

Edited January 22, 2018 by Wayward Son

[gonzosgirrl]

5 hours ago, SueB said:

This fandom can be both great and horrible.   At the same time.  Any uproar to me is some tetchiness in fandom IMO. 

Brianna was trash talking and it falls flat for some.  Rich was using hyperbole and supporting the show.  Neither are stupid and neither intended an actual insult or shade toward J2.  Of this I am sure.   There have been years of positive feedback towards the show and J2 from both.   Both adore J2 and know their livelihood depends on SPN fans.  There’s no logical reason for them to intentionally really insult either Supernatural or J2. 

But there’s a scarcity mentality at work here.  Anything pro Wayward Sisters is presumed to come at the expense of Supernatural.  Yes, the show gave up ONE episode to feed the Pilot.  But intro of Patience is still worthwhile IMO into the SPN universe.   And Kaia was both essential to the AU plot and fascinating.   I’d be interested in seeing both of them in the future even if WS doesn’t go forward.   And with this scarcity mentality, every text subject to interpretation is scrutinized for insult.  It’s exhausting.  

I disagree with this as a blanket statement. And the bolded may be true for some fans, but for me, anything pro Wayward Sisters is a fine and good thing. It's the people, and in this I include the actors, the producers, the fans, and the 'journalists', who insist on framing their praise of the spin-off as superior to SPN that invite the negativity. Let it stand on its own merit without dumping on (or comparing with) the mothership and I'll have no problem with it. When they talk about the characters, plot, casting and motivations without comparing them to SPN, I will too.

ETA: trash talking and hyperbole - I wonder how well it would go over if Jensen or Jared 'jokingly' trash talked Wayward Sisters or shaded any of the actors or even characters involved. I imagine we would be having a very different conversation right now.

Edited January 22, 2018 by gonzosgirrl
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[catrox14]

5 hours ago, SueB said:

Neither are stupid and neither intended an actual insult or shade toward J2.  Of this I am sure.   There have been years of positive feedback towards the show and J2 from both.   Both adore J2 and know their livelihood depends on SPN fans.  There’s no logical reason for them to intentionally really insult either Supernatural or J2. 

Assuming that None of us are actual friends  with these people  we can t know their true motivations for anything. If Dick thinks his SPN Con  gravy train is coming in for a final stop then attaching his wagon  to WS is logical. Some of  this might be all inside jokes etc. Etc but fandom isn't privy to those things and  are protective of their faves whomever that is. On both sides here. Dick  already   sows the seeds of fandom fraction  with the Friday vs Sunday people stuff. He trolls fandom from what I've seen.

I doubt fans are as insecure  your scarcity theory implies. SPN is not ending this season. I expect it to get to 300 at least. There a lot fans who are fine with SPN ending so their faves  can go on to other things so that's really not applicable.

It's not just one episode or two. It's been at least 5 or more that have put the boys and Cas off screen, nerfed, dumbed down, made to be awful humans, etc.. all to set up the spinoff. That contributes IMO to some of the resentment. **IMO  YMNV

2 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

ETA: trash talking and hyperbole - I wonder how well it would go over if Jensen or Jared 'jokingly' trash talked Wayward Sisters or shaded any of the actors or even characters involved. I imagine we would be having a very different conversation right now.

Oh man. It would be a nightmare. Misha has been the only one who has even jokingly commented when he said they took out the worst part, Sam, Dean and Cas. LOL so I think he was a wee bit shading in his sarcastic way. But yeah if J2M ever said anything even teasing about it look out. That would be a war well  beyond this skirmish.

Edited January 22, 2018 by catrox14

[Jeddah]

1 hour ago, Wayward Son said:

I have to agree that this fan can be extremely tiring at times. The constant need to read everything on and off screen in the worst light possible definitely does suck the fun out of being a fan. 

Well, what do you mean by that?!?! I’m offended that you think so poorly of other fans!  ;)

[Wayward Son]

35 minutes ago, Jeddah said:

Well, what do you mean by that?!?! I’m offended that you think so poorly of other fans!  ;)

Decided this was a post better suited to unpopular opinions thread. 

Edited January 22, 2018 by Wayward Son

[catrox14]

1 minute ago, Wayward Son said:

about Jared, and now we have the new branch of fandom “The Wayward” stars who are being nit picked by the J2 and J1 orientated fans.

And don't leave out the some of the Wayward only fans who shade J2 and the entire mothership because it's 'too male" and who suggest that anyone who takes issue with any part of the spinoff for any reason is anti-female and anti-feminist which LOL NO.

[Wayward Son]

3 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

And don't leave out the some of the Wayward only fans who shade J2 and the entire mothership because it's 'too male" and who suggest that anyone who takes issue with any part of the spinoff for any reason is anti-female and anti-feminist which LOL NO.

Replied in the Unpopular thread since I should have posted there in the first place :) 

[catrox14]

Just now, Wayward Son said:

Replied in the Unpopular thread since I should have posted there in the first place :) 

I'm just saying that there are many sides with many opinions and since you were listing all the competing factions I wanted to make sure that one got included too, cause it's out there.

[Wayward Son]

4 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I'm just saying that there are many sides with many opinions and since you were listing all the competing factions I wanted to make sure that one got included too, cause it's out there.

Sorry I wasn’t trying to make a dig. I was just explaining I was wrong to post it in here rather than over there in the first place, which is why I moved the discussion there. Sorry if my response to you came off hostile. 

Edited January 22, 2018 by Wayward Son

[SueB]

2 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I disagree with this as a blanket statement. And the bolded may be true for some fans, but for me, anything pro Wayward Sisters is a fine and good thing. It's the people, and in this I include the actors, the producers, the fans, and the 'journalists', who insist on framing their praise of the spin-off as superior to SPN that invite the negativity. Let it stand on its own merit without dumping on (or comparing with) the mothership and I'll have no problem with it. When they talk about the characters, plot, casting and motivations without comparing them to SPN, I will too.

ETA: trash talking and hyperbole - I wonder how well it would go over if Jensen or Jared 'jokingly' trash talked Wayward Sisters or shaded any of the actors or even characters involved. I imagine we would be having a very different conversation right now.

I think Rich was not actually doing a comparison. 

[gonzosgirrl]

He is so funny!

[SueB]

2 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Assuming that None of us are actual friends  with these people  we can t know their true motivations for anything. If Dick thinks his SPN Con  gravy train is coming in for a final stop then attaching his wagon  to WS is logical. Some of  this might be all inside jokes etc. Etc but fandom isn't privy to those things and  are protective of their faves whomever that is. On both sides here. Dick  already   sows the seeds of fandom fraction  with the Friday vs Sunday people stuff. He trolls fandom from what I've seen.

I doubt fans are as insecure  your scarcity theory implies. SPN is not ending this season. I expect it to get to 300 at least. There a lot fans who are fine with SPN ending so their faves  can go on to other things so that's really not applicable.

It's not just one episode or two. It's been at least 5 or more that have put the boys and Cas off screen, nerfed, dumbed down, made to be awful humans, etc.. all to set up the spinoff. That contributes IMO to some of the resentment. **IMO  YMNV

Oh man. It would be a nightmare. Misha has been the only one who has even jokingly commented when he said they took out the worst part, Sam, Dean and Cas. LOL so I think he was a wee bit shading in his sarcastic way. But yeah if J2M ever said anything even teasing about it look out. That would be a war well  beyond this skirmish.

@catrox14 Although I'm not a personal friend with these people I've had enough interaction with them one on one and seen their group behavior to ascertain they are not stupid.  And too-numerous-to-count examples of each making positive statements about Supernatural and J2 to think that a single episode, the potential for a pilot, and/or mischief are enough for either of these two to bite the hand that feeds them.  Neither Rich nor Brianna are so dumb as to intentionally insult the Superantural show.  

I think pettiness comes from the fandom, not the cast.  

And the two statements in bold are in direct opposition.  First you say the scarcity theory doesn't apply, THEN you list the sacrifices of the main show for the sake of the potential spinoff. Note, these are sacrifices you see, I don't have any issue with any of them.  I don't think the boys were dumbed down in any of the episodes.  

Edited January 22, 2018 by SueB

[catrox14]

15 minutes ago, SueB said:

I think Rich was not actually doing a comparison. 

How are the words "nothing better than" not a comparison?

14 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

He is so funny!

LOL, I hope that's in the episode.

[SueB]

7 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

How are the words "nothing better than" not a comparison?

LOL, I hope that's in the episode.

It was a generic "nothing better than".  Only fans immediately presumed an insult to Supernatural.  That says a lot more to me about the fans than Richard Speight Jr.  

[Bobcatkitten]

Well when you are talking about the specific chemistry of two actors together while on a show built on the shoulders of the chemistry between two actors - and use the phrase "nothing better than" it's a pretty obvious comparison. 

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, SueB said:

I think Rich was not actually doing a comparison. 

Regardless of his intent, those are the words he decided to use and the inference is not an outrageous leap to take. I'm not too dumb to understand hyperbole, either. I've no doubt they are all caught up in the excitement and aren't necessarily considering how they are coming across. That doesn't change the fact that they are saying these things. Or that it wasn't the only tone-deaf comment made. Collectively, it serves to color my feelings about the whole thing. 

Edited January 22, 2018 by gonzosgirrl

[catrox14]

9 minutes ago, SueB said:

And the two statements in bold are in direct opposition.  First you say the scarcity theory doesn't apply, THEN you list the sacrifices of the main show for the sake of the potential spinoff. Note, these are sacrifices you see, I don't have any issue with any of them.  I don't think the boys were dumbed down in any of the episodes.  

I can see why my comment was  confusing. Let me clarify.

It seemed that you're suggesting that it's more of a blanket thing in fandom that scarcity of the boys in one episode is the issue leading fans to be annoyed with Dick and Briana comments which was the start of this and remains the crux of it. The lack of Dean and Sam was not really a big part of the criticisms of the episode that I've read here and elsewhere because it was expected, thus I don't see how scarcity of J2 would apply. Nor would it apply to the those that aren't too upset at the prospect of the show ending.

Additionally, I am saying that over the course of several episodes that the boys were in, they were used to setup the spinoff. It's not a lack of them (like Patience) but more of how they were used in those episodes that some objected to and found disagreeable rather than scarcity of screen time.

MO when cast members like Dick or Briana make comments that draw comparisons and subtly drags the boys, it just adds fuel to the embers that already exist.  So, IMO, it's not scarcity fear and anxiety being projected onto WS but simply that they think the mothership is not being respected.

As to, what you know about the people in the show, even though you see them up close and personal at cons, you're not seeing them in everyday life, which might be quite different. It behooves them to all show their best to fans at cons. That doesn't make what Dick and Briana said any better given that some fans have reacted as they (we have). And that reaction is valid and reasonable as is not reacting to it at all.

[catrox14]

44 minutes ago, SueB said:

It was a generic "nothing better than".  Only fans immediately presumed an insult to Supernatural.  That says a lot more to me about the fans than Richard Speight Jr. 

And if some presumed insult it's because it was a comparative statement. If Dick had just left out "nothing better than" and praised their great chemistry he would have accomplished the same thing. Unless it really is his opinion and people can be irritated by his opinion and express that irritation as is done here. It's annoyance with Dick and Briana that's being expressed not with fans for expressing it, which is kind of what this has turned into.

[Wayward Son]

Hopefully it is ok for me to put it here since it’s a Kripke show! But for anyone who watches Timeless S2 begins in March! I can’t wait :)

 

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/more-tv-news/timeless-lands-a-spot-on-nbcs-sunday-night-in-march/

[gonzosgirrl]

I have so many questions...

[catrox14]

6 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I have so many questions...

NERDS.  I just want to know why they are up on ladders. That's my real question. LOL

[ParadoxLost]

17 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

NERDS.  I just want to know why they are up on ladders. That's my real question. LOL

Someone told them to stay off the ladders.

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, ParadoxLost said:

Someone told them to stay off the ladders.

It took me a minute..

Well done :)

[DittyDotDot]

9 hours ago, catrox14 said:

NERDS.  I just want to know why they are up on ladders. That's my real question. LOL

The acoustics were probably better up there...discovered only after someone told them to stay off the ladders. ;)

[Katy M]

On ‎1‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 8:52 AM, Jeddah said:

“There is nothing better than...” strikes me as a phrase people use to exagerrate something, not necessarily as a comparison. I use it that way. If I said “There is nothing better than this cheesecake” while I was visiting my friend’s house,  I’d say it as a compliment to my friend’s baking skills. I wouldn’t literally mean it’s better than all the other food I’ve ever eaten.  If I said, ”There is nothing better than seeing my dog when I get home from work,” I wouldn’t really mean it as a slight against everyone else in my life.

I don’t know. Maybe I’ve been using it wrong. Now I’m worried that I’ve unintentionally insulted everyone in my life by using this phrase.

This reminds me of one time in college I said "nothing better than a taco break in the middle of cramming for finals," and my friend proceeded to list things that were better.  LOL.  It's just an expression, peeps.

[Diane]

1 minute ago, Katy M said:

This reminds me of one time in college I said "nothing better than a taco break in the middle of cramming for finals," and my friend proceeded to list things that were better.  LOL.  It's just an expression, peeps.

I so agree, seriously much to do about nothing.  

[gonzosgirrl]

3 minutes ago, Katy M said:

This reminds me of one time in college I said "nothing better than a taco break in the middle of cramming for finals," and my friend proceeded to list things that were better.  LOL.  It's just an expression, peeps.

Unless your friend had been preparing you burritos for a bunch of years and saw her ability to make a great burrito as her stand-out feature.

[Katy M]

25 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Unless your friend had been preparing you burritos for a bunch of years and saw her ability to make a great burrito as her stand-out feature.

Nope. It's still just an expression that means I'm enjoying the taco break. 

Edited January 23, 2018 by Katy M

[gonzosgirrl]

4 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Nope. It's still just an expression that means I'm enjoying the taco break.  My friend wasn't overly sensitive, though, that looked for insults and nuances in every phrase.  I don't think J2 are either, though, so it's no biggie. 

Except that still isn't what happened in this instance. The tacos weren't sitting on a plate beside the burritos and, oh my god this analogy sucks. LOL. It's cool for those who weren't bothered by it, but it's not cool to label anyone who did find it questionable as over-sensitive or looking for insults.

Edited January 23, 2018 by gonzosgirrl

[Diane]

This is what I am reminded of a lot on this forum. 

“Can we not fight? You know, half the time we're fighting, I don't know what we're fighting about. We're just butting heads. Sammy, I, I've made some mistakes. But I've always done the best I could. I just don't want to fight anymore, okay?” John Winchester

[Katy M]

Just now, gonzosgirrl said:

Except that still isn't what happened in this instance. The tacos weren't sitting on a plate beside the burritos and, oh my god this analogy sucks. LOL. It's cool for those who weren't bothered by it, but it's not cool to blanket anyone who did find it questionable as over-sensitive or looking for insults.

All I'm saying is "nothing better than" is an expression.  If he had said they "have the best chemistry of anyone" then that's not an expression.  Maybe it's a regional thing.  I don't know.

[Jeddah]

1 minute ago, Diane said:

This is what I am reminded of a lot on this forum. 

“Can we not fight? You know, half the time we're fighting, I don't know what we're fighting about. We're just butting heads. Sammy, I, I've made some mistakes. But I've always done the best I could. I just don't want to fight anymore, okay?” John Winchester

You know it’s bad when John Winchester is the voice of reason!

[Diane]

Just now, Jeddah said:

You know it’s bad when John Winchester is the voice of reason!

Right!!!

[gonzosgirrl]

1 minute ago, Jeddah said:

You know it’s bad when John Winchester is the voice of reason!

But then again, John Winchester had to be moments from dying before he could give up the fighting. So there's that. ;)

5 minutes ago, Katy M said:

All I'm saying is "nothing better than" is an expression.  If he had said they "have the best chemistry of anyone" then that's not an expression.  Maybe it's a regional thing.  I don't know.

When Dean & Sam are guesting on Wayward Sisters and he tweets about how there's nothing better than their chemistry together, I'll accept that it was only an expression.