S04.E03: Breaker Of Chains

[GreyBunny]

GreyBunny - that's not my quote. The quote you copied came from Willowy.

The quote function is screwed up, I initially quoted you but changed my mind, however it wouldn't let me delete the quote box.  Sorry about that, I'll try to work around it

 

ETA:  I had posted it before I wanted to change it again so I couldn't cancel.  

Edited April 24, 2014 by GreyBunny

[Wilowy]

I've run into that too. I just cancel and start over. That works.

[Joystickenvy]

Actually my money's on Shireen. She can smell the bullshit burning a mile away.

Probably literally, all things considered.

[dr pepper]

On a different note: I liked the Meereen challenge scene. It's too bad we don't have Strong Belwas, but Belwas put on a show and even then had to actually fight Oznak a little bit, where Daario just did a matter-of-fact slaughter: no toying around, just setting up Dany to say that they can and will free the people. (We lost Strong Belwas shitting in their general direction, though.)

I'm sorry he was cut out of the tv version, he was a great character. Of course the director would have to figure out to splice Brian Blessed and the Big Show together to do justice to the part.

[GreyBunny]

I like that Daario didn't mess around.  He threw his knife, made one cut with his arakh, done.  

I think it'll contrast to all the wasted motion Oberyn will put into his battle, which will result in his death.

[dr pepper]

The timeline is weird for me too.  The best I can figure out is that the show might have him make a deal with the Iron Bank and hire sellswords before going to the Wall.  

Which is wrong. The mercenaries of Westeros tend to be individiuals wearing equipment they can spend a lot of time walking in. But in the book Stannis brings actual knights, all mouinted, heavily armed and amored, and used to fighting in formation. This is important because the wildlings have a force that's huge and at least partially organized. However they are in anopen space with hard ground, or at least, hard packed snow-- the exact situation where the best strategy is a lance charge.

[dr pepper]

Wildlings are human beings who are just a murderous and plundering as any of the Houses south of the Wall.

Of course. The Wall was not built to defend the rest of the continent from them, they are just outlaws and refugees (or the descendents of such) who went north because it was safer. The Wall was not built to defend against the savages and cannibals, or even against the giants and their mammoths. The Wall was built to defend against the periodic ressurgence of primordial magic, of which the zombies are merely a precursor. It's just that it's been so long that even the maesters have forgotten.

[dr pepper]

Oh, also-- i've said before, i don't object to nudity in general, it's just that it should be equal opportunity. There was a very short, and shadowed move in that direction this time, but they need to do a lot better.

[blixie]

 

wasted motion Oberyn will put into his battle, which will result in his death.

 

I'm  not sure what you mean, I just read the scene and it's not so much wasted motion as, a bit of gloating that fells him, he could not resist getting in the Mountain's face to hear him say Elia's name.

[GreyBunny]

Essentially the same thing; his messing around earns him a mailed fist to the face.  Not good.  Daario didn't taunt the guy, he gave him one quick slice and called it a day.

[OakGoblinFly]

Essentially the same thing; his messing around earns him a mailed fist to the face.  Not good.  Daario didn't taunt the guy, he gave him one quick slice and called it a day.

 

 

So many people would be better off if they just followed Peter's Evil Overlord list.  One of the rules clearly states "I will not gloat over my enemies' predicament before killing them."

[Paws]

So now havnig some time to think about it, i wonder if the change in the Cersei/Jaime scene is designed to further the plot of Cersei getting the idea to put Myrcella on the Iron Throne--that her anger with her own family will cause her to go against all the men. 

[Helena Dax]

 

the change in the Cersei/Jaime scene is designed to further the plot of Cersei getting the idea to put Myrcella on the Iron Throne

But it was Arianne Martell's idea, iirc.

 

Anyway, I think that scene won't mean anything. If the writer and the director thought that was consensual, there's no rape within  the story to deal with. 

[Holmbo]

Haven't seen the episode but read about the rape thing. Yeah, this is exactly what happens when you keep a scene but remove its context. The sex scene made perfect sense in the context of their reunion after a long and traumatic absence.

With the altered timing of Jaime return, the scene no longer made sense. They should have just cut. Instead, they kept it and fucked it up, thus perpetrating aggravated character assassination. Congrats, show runners!

I agree. I feel like this season they've tried really hard to keep the show faithful to the book despite many minor changes. In some ways it seems to work well like how they got Oberyn to be a judge and sit on the small council just like in the book. In other ways it's worked less well like with the Jaime Cersei questionable consent sex scene because, apart from the change in dialog from the book, it comes of totally different when Cersei has been rejecting Jaime for weeks.

 

I think in this context they should have made it a consensual sex scene with Cersei using sex to try to manipulate Jaime into killing Tyrion.

[John Potts]

I was spoiled all about "Sept-Gate" so it's difficult to make an unbiased judgement, but I one thing that caused Cersei to say "No" (which she clearly did) was because it was Jamie initiating sex. Previously, it's always been her pushing him, not the other way round.
(But on any modern criterion, as shown onscreen, it was a rape).

On ‎21‎/‎04‎/‎2014 at 6:28 AM, jellysalmon said:

Margaery didn't know about the plan to kill Joffrey?

That surprised me, too. I guess there's "Need to know" security (which Littlefinger clearly understands - bye, Ser Dontos!) but it seemed like the Tyrells were pretty close knit and Margery's actions at the wedding suggested she was part of the distraction (she was drinking from the same chalice as Joffrey - probably a good idea to keep her at least somewhat in the loop).

On ‎21‎/‎04‎/‎2014 at 5:58 AM, mac123x said:

New Daario is so bland I think I'm going to call him Taapioca Naharis.  I didn't care for the actor they had last year, but this one just looks like "standard issue GoT warrior guy with dark hair and beard".  He's supposed to be charming Dany, but a) she's not a teenager and b) he's pretty charm-free.

I don't know, he has that swagger that I could see being attractive to her (though if I understood what women want, I wouldn't have been single most of my life!).

On ‎21‎/‎04‎/‎2014 at 5:17 AM, GreyBunny said:

I miss Belwas too but Daario didn't mess around, he got the job done.  Good boy.

Richard Sharpe would approve (he'd regard Oberyn as an idiot)!

On ‎21‎/‎04‎/‎2014 at 4:41 AM, dbell1 said:

Tyrion is doomed.  Not even Alicia Florrick could save him.

Well that would depend on whether Kalinda was still working with her. Then she'd discover the vital piece of evidence proving Tyrion was in fact innocent five minutes before the end of the episode!