Stargate Universe - General Discussion

[TVSpectator]

I apologize if we are not allow to double post but I feel like I have to say.....

Okay, so I decided to go back to the old Destiny TWOP thread and just reread everything (or just skimmed through some pages) and I do feel that this show failed because of so many reasons and they are......

The use of the communication stones to keep in touch with Earth within the first few episodes of the show.

Communication Stone sex (which just raised the disgust level with these characters to a whole new level and that the TPTB never thought that people would cry "rape" when someone was having sex in someone else's body)

Characters that we  hated, found to be stupid, loved to hate, or were just plain boring and/or bland (and I feel that a lot of the characters fallen into all four categories.

Having McKay  come on the show and have him be a douche that sized up TJ (or was it Lt. James or Chole?).

The real life SG-1/SGA fan complaints that ended up in such a virulent

Having the LA as a big bad guy and then turning them into a cult

All of first season

 

and so on.

 

Although, I do think that the show did improved in the second season and one of my favorite story line was watching the two (or three part) episode arch of the Destiny crew finding their descendants and the civilization that they created, along with it's many flaws.

 

 

[Gel]

Forever lost. At least they kino'd everything.

I pity whomever has the pleasure of viewing said kinos and trying to reconstruct events from them. Worse yet, if they became archeological artifacts from which the legacy of the SG universe were to be reconstructed.

[FormerMod-a1]

I started this General Discussion thread and moved a couple of posts here.  Discuss the show itself here.  Also feel free to start character threads or season threads, or what have you.  

[TVSpectator]

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I pity whomever has the pleasure of viewing said kinos and trying to reconstruct events from them. Worse yet, if they became archeological artifacts from which the legacy of the SG universe were to be reconstructed.

Acutally, I think it was someone's job to go through the kino videos and not only reconstruct events but also to archive, label, and store everything that they found on them back in the story arc where they meet their own descendants.

Can you just imgaine having someone going through them, for historical reasons, thinking that they will find nobal and brave anscestors, and instead find out the Eli was spying on Lt. James in the shower with a kino?

Edited April 15, 2014 by TVSpectator

[Gel]

You know, I've just managed to forget that particular bit, and now I remember it again. I need those brain cells back!

I saw BJS the other day in a different film, and to his credit, I actually did not recognize him right away. I don't know if it was intentional on the part of the SGU directing powers, or if things just never "came together" for them, but when I compare the performance of cast members on SGU to other things I have seen them in since, they are always less stiff and more lifelike. With the exception of Carlyle, who was quite credible but also possibly acting out a script in his own head and wisely ignoring any direction.

[BizBuzz]

A place to discuss particular episodes, arcs and moments from the show's run. Please remember this isn't a complete catch-all topic -- check out the forum for character topics and other places for show-related talk.

[Mulva]

The old TWOP threads are permanently gone?  Damn!  I just caught a couple of eps of this turkey, and boy, is it ever bad!  It reminded me of that hilariously awful spoof from SG1's 200th episode.

I was hoping to find some good snark here, but no.

[kassygreene]

There are sooo many ways this show went bad that it even stopped being funny.  But I recently realized that while I almost certainly screened the final episode, I somehow didn't watch a flipping second of it, so I did "watch" it again - and this time actually retain some memories while simultaneously realizing why I didn't really see it the first time around.  

As many people pointed out then and since, the guys who ran this wreck seemed to want to be the guys who did the BSG reboot.  Apparently the idea that if they had had the talent to do a BSG-reboot equivalent they would have done so long before, never occurred to them.  

So, no season 6 for Atlantis, no third movie for SG1, and a franchise that was still reasonably successful stun-gunned like a cow in a slaughterhouse.

[readster]

I agree, on paper, Stargate: Universe wasn't a bad idea, but then it went to: "We aren't inexperience and basically rich brats who can't stop complaining." Then the show was doomed w hen it went that way. The creators seemed to want to try and take Stargate to the entire 12-24 demography that was the pinnacle for so many shows until about three years ago when the networks realized that millennials really didn't care and if they do. It will show, but trying to shell out something to that age range while they already had a built in fan base with Atlantis and the SG-1 movies was extremely stupid.

[DittyDotDot]

On 7/12/2016 at 0:12 PM, Mulva said:

The old TWOP threads are permanently gone?  Damn!  I just caught a couple of eps of this turkey, and boy, is it ever bad!  It reminded me of that hilariously awful spoof from SG1's 200th episode.

I was hoping to find some good snark here, but no.

While they may be gone, they're not totally gone. Here's a link to the Way Back Machine's archives for Stargate Universe. https://web.archive.org/web/20140410053440/http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/3176317-stargate-universe/page-294

Personally, I rather enjoyed this show. I enjoyed the other Stargate shows, but actually preferred Universe to both of them. Of course mileage obviously varies here.

[zxy556575]

22 hours ago, DittyDotDot said:

Personally, I rather enjoyed this show. I enjoyed the other Stargate shows, but actually preferred Universe to both of them. Of course mileage obviously varies here.

We're at the same mile marker. Maybe it's because it was the first Stargate series I watched but it remained my favorite.

[DittyDotDot]

On 7/14/2016 at 5:44 PM, lordonia said:

We're at the same mile marker. Maybe it's because it was the first Stargate series I watched but it remained my favorite.

You inspired me to dig out my DVDs and rewatch it all. In fact, this is the only Stargate I can say I actually bought the DVDs for. I'm only a couple episodes in, but totally love watching them figuring out how to survive while also figuring out who is in charge and how to get along. 

I get why some people were set to hate it and all, but I wasn't involved in fandom when TPTB were touting their "and now we're going to make a good show" or when the other shows got cancelled unexpectedly, so I don't have that baggage when watching it. That's not to say it was perfect--the communication stones could've definitely used some more forethought--but I like the characters, the concept and the way they shot it. 

Like I said, I enjoyed the other Stargates, but really enjoyed how they made a different show that still fits in the same universe rather than making the same basic show set in another galaxy this time.

[TVSpectator]

On 7/13/2016 at 8:17 PM, DittyDotDot said:

While they may be gone, they're not totally gone. Here's a link to the Way Back Machine's archives for Stargate Universe. https://web.archive.org/web/20140410053440/http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/3176317-stargate-universe/page-294

Personally, I rather enjoyed this show. I enjoyed the other Stargate shows, but actually preferred Universe to both of them. Of course mileage obviously varies here.

 

Oh, that link brought back some memories.

[Raja]

While SG-1 was more consistently fun to watch Universe was the only show in the franchise which I came online to find in depth discussions about.

[zxy556575]

12 hours ago, DittyDotDot said:

I'm only a couple episodes in, but totally love watching them figuring out how to survive while also figuring out who is in charge and how to get along. 

This totally never occurred to me until just now, but that may be why I also really liked Voyager. I enjoyed seeing how characters reacted to being out of their comfort zone with very uncertain futures. They weren't "normal" crews with preconceived allegiances and loyalties.

[DittyDotDot]

6 hours ago, lordonia said:

This totally never occurred to me until just now, but that may be why I also really liked Voyager. I enjoyed seeing how characters reacted to being out of their comfort zone with very uncertain futures. They weren't "normal" crews with preconceived allegiances and loyalties.

That's interesting because I hear it bandied about that SGU was their attempt to be Battlestar Galactica--which I get why--but I always felt like the show was more Voyager, myself. I don't know if it's the crew trying to blend together or what, but even the music makes me think of Star Trek. 

16 hours ago, TVSpectator said:

Oh, that link brought back some memories.

Glad to have been of service!

[blueray]

I recently starting rewatching this show and actually forgot how good it is. There were some problems mainly in the beginning of season 1. To much use of the stones. But besides that it is actually still entertaining. Of course I know it ends in a massive cliffhanger but I'm going to enjoy it anyway. As there are lots of episodes I do not remember and some I vaguely. I just watched the episode where Eli, Scott and Chloe are trying to get back to Destiny.  I remember this but I forgot it went on for an episode or two. And as I'm still in mid season 1, I still have season 2 to go. 

[John Mates]

blueray I completely agree with you, SGU is colossal, do you remember the episode where Destiny slows to a halt and there is ANOTHER Destiny right alongside? its not just a case of it looks like Destiny IT IS DESTINY from a different time zone, that episode has got to be the hugest fun ever , crew from one destiny go in a Shuttle to the other, haha choice!

[blueray]

I was flipping channels and ended up on PBS. There was some early 90's show about a Scottish Detective. The lead guy looked so familiar and I couldn't figure out why. Until the end it said Robert Casile (sp), so it was a very young Rush lol.  

[AuntieMame]

Add me to the list of people who liked Stargate Universe. It was my first Stargate franchise too. Yeah, the rapey communication stones were gross in that aspect. I guess someone should have set some communication stones ground rules for using other peoples bodies, but boy, I wouldn’t think you would have to tell people: “Hey, don’t have sex when you’re using someone else’s body. It is impolite at the very least.”
 
Not to mention, nobody thought it would be weird for the other party on Earth? If my husband’s consciousness was suddenly inhabiting his colleague’s body, my first thought wouldn’t be to schtup him. Just me? 
 
That said, I loved the nitty gritty dynamics and politics of people under enormous strain trying to get along. I loved the alternate timeline and the imperfect civilization they built; I loved the yearning metaphysics of the episode where the “survivors” who stayed on the planet returned to Destiny only to die and that the medic had to decide whether she had faith her baby was cared for. I even liked the Lucian Alliance though would have liked to see their reasons more fully developed. I loved Sargent Greer and how he wrestled with being a good soldier and a good man. Yeah, it seems I liked a lot of things about Stargate Universe. 

Edited December 30, 2022 by AuntieMame
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‘Robocop,’ ‘Stargate’, ‘Legally Blonde’ & ‘Barbershop’ Among Titles In Works For Film & TV As Amazon Looks To Supercharge MGM IP
By Nellie Andreeva, Peter White  April 14, 2023 
https://deadline.com/2023/04/robocop-stargate-legally-blonde-barbershop-in-works-film-tv-amazon-mgm-ip-1235243057/ 

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Amazon has similar plans for Stargate. We hear both film and TV installments are considered, with a movie likely going first.
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The Stargate military sci-fi franchise, spanning film and TV, launched in 1994 with a movie directed by Roland Emmerich. It was followed by two more films, Stargate: The Ark of Truth in 2008 and Stargate: Continuum, also in 2008. In TV, Stargate SG-1 was one of the longest-running science-fiction series in U.S. television history. It was followed by Stargate Atlantis in 2004 and Stargate Universe in 2009, animated series Stargate Infinity in 2002 and web series Stargate Origins in 2018.

Edited July 25, 2023 by tv echo

[TVSpectator]

So are they going to reboot the TV series, a new show/movie but in the same universe, or pick up where they left off?

[Featherhat]

On 7/31/2023 at 3:27 AM, TVSpectator said:

So are they going to reboot the TV series, a new show/movie but in the same universe, or pick up where they left off?

It's far from certain but since Brad Wright has been talking about this for years it seems likely that they'd at least consider his proposal and BW mentioned Malozzi in is script writing a while back means he might be at least also involved it seems like they'd at least hear previous producer proposals out of interest and courtesy.

Because they did deliver 17 years of a show that was often on a mediocre down fall post SG1-s5 and Atlantis-s2 IMO, into one of the longest running sci-fi franchises in history. Which is actually a credit to everyone involved. 

Even if I have never been able to get into SGU despite numerable attempts at rewatch. Even their "best" episodes were done better before on their own franchise. Sorry the cast got blasted. 

I think if one or more of the actors from the shows is willing to come back then they will attempt some sort of revival, if only as a send off. Because going "full Dune" for lack of a better metaphor is very risky for a 30 yo film and a TV franchise that ended in 2011. 

Most people thought Patrick Stewart and many of his Enterprise and Voyager Co Stars were done a lone time ago but that was not the case. Stargate does have it's own entrenched fanbase that I'm not surprised Amazon is hoping on despite my many misgivings. 

[TVSpectator]

On 8/4/2023 at 10:01 PM, Featherhat said:

It's far from certain but since Brad Wright has been talking about this for years it seems likely that they'd at least consider his proposal and BW mentioned Malozzi in is script writing a while back means he might be at least also involved it seems like they'd at least hear previous producer proposals out of interest and courtesy.

Because they did deliver 17 years of a show that was often on a mediocre down fall post SG1-s5 and Atlantis-s2 IMO, into one of the longest running sci-fi franchises in history. Which is actually a credit to everyone involved. 

Even if I have never been able to get into SGU despite numerable attempts at rewatch. Even their "best" episodes were done better before on their own franchise. Sorry the cast got blasted. 

I think if one or more of the actors from the shows is willing to come back then they will attempt some sort of revival, if only as a send off. Because going "full Dune" for lack of a better metaphor is very risky for a 30 yo film and a TV franchise that ended in 2011. 

Most people thought Patrick Stewart and many of his Enterprise and Voyager Co Stars were done a lone time ago but that was not the case. Stargate does have it's own entrenched fanbase that I'm not surprised Amazon is hoping on despite my many misgivings. 

Okay, thanks. I personally don't know if they will reboot it or try a revival but since a lot of time has passed, I would say a reboot is more likely.

 

That being said, I know that Joe Flannigan once mentioned that he tried to buy the IP rights, from MGM but was denied it. Here is a video on his story (and the video itself is like 8 years old):

So, I guess that there are actors willing to return but who are they I don't know. I do know that Disney was willing to get the old cast of Futurama back to do another season on Hulu, but that's Futurama.

[Raja]

On 7/30/2023 at 7:27 PM, TVSpectator said:

So are they going to reboot the TV series, a new show/movie but in the same universe, or pick up where they left off?

I think the SGC where the characters control their own destiny 😉 instead of a Lost in Space  type show would be the focus.

So I doubt it would be Universe that would be either rebooted or picked up 12 years later. Although a ship with a bunch pre teen kids seems to be a TV staple they would actually need to time skip up  so you have sex interest beyond whatever now middle aged pairings they teased with the colony episodes when a lesbian Marine was encouraged to take one for the team as the last option left for Eli.

[tv echo]

SpaceCon San Antonio's guests this year include cast members from Stargate SG-1...

SpaceCon San Antonio, October 25-27, 2024 (TX)
https://www.spaceconsa.com/celebrity-category/2024/

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STARGATE SG-1 CREATOR REVEALS REAL-LIFE STAR WARS TECH THAT COULD’VE MADE “ALL THE DIFFERENCE”
By Trent Moore   May 31, 2024
https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/stargate-sg-1-creator-reveals-star-wars-tech-that-couldve-made-all-the-difference 

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Which means for the folks making the series, it was a major challenge to dream up and bring to life a different planet design week-in and week-out — all while shooting the beloved sci-fi hit largely in British Columbia in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

Series co-creator Brad Wright opened up about the task in a Reddit AMA looking back at his lengthy genre career, and noted it did get hard to keep the worlds looking fresh and unique as the series ran deeper into its 10-season run. That challenge was exacerbated by the way the city of Vancouver continued to grow itself over time, as more and more of the woodlands they’d use as nature locales were developed.

The one thing he believes would’ve been a game-changer if the series were made now? The massive screens and virtual set technology pioneered on more modern shows like The Mandalorian. With that type of tech a few decades ago, who knows what types of worlds they could’ve dreamed up for the SGC crew?

“Yes, it grew increasingly difficult and frustrating to go out into the woods of British Columbia and pretend it was another planet," Wright wrote. “Especially since Vancouver kept growing into the open spaces we were using. Video walls like those used by the 'Star Wars' series would make all the difference today.”

Edited June 2 by tv echo

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WHAT WOULD’VE HAPPENED IN A SIXTH SEASON OF STARGATE ATLANTIS? LONG-LOST PLAN REVEALED
By Trent Moore   Jul 1, 2024
https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/this-is-what-wouldve-happened-in-a-sixth-season-of-stargate-atlantis 

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When fan favorite SYFY original series Stargate Atlantis wrapped up after five seasons, way back in 2009, the creators still had a few ideas on where the series might’ve gone next. So what would a potential sixth season have looked like?
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Season 5 ended with the city of Atlantis trekking all the way to our galaxy and landing on Earth, part of a risky plan to avert a potential Wraith invasion of our home galaxy. The series ended with a happy, open ending, with the Atlantis crew looking out over San Francisco with the city parked (and of course cloaked) in the bay. At the time, the creative team had planned to continue the story with at least one direct-to-DVD movie, though the original direct-to-DVD movie business flatlined pretty much exactly when that project was supposed to get off the ground, and it never came to be.
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But now, former producer Joseph Mallozzi has dusted off his old notebook to reveal what a potential sixth season could have looked like, including some of the key episodes and plots they wanted to explore if the show had returned for a new season, or a series of DVD movies. Check out his full, super-deep rundown on Reddit, along with a deep dive on fan site Gateworld. 
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The season premiere would’ve been titled “Now What,” and followed Atlantis as it was relocated to serve as a Moon base before making the trip back toward the Pegasus Galaxy. But along they way they become stranded in a different galaxy in-between, where they grapple with a future-version of recurring foe Todd the Wraith and a mysterious new civilization.

Other episode ideas on the planning board for the first half of the season included a story with the team discovering a derelict ship full of mysterious children in stasis; a story bringing back the longtime SG-1 enemies the Replicators; and an episode called “The Red Shirt Diaries” that would’ve followed a no-name member of the Atlantis expedition for a day.

The midseason two-parter would’ve found the team returning to Atlantis from a mission only to discover the entire expedition crew has been turned into Wraith-human hybrids by recurring enemy Michael, with the team tasked with reversing the attack and saving the crew.

The back half of the season would’ve featured a time traveling episode bringing back the time-traveling puddle jumper space ship, with the crew trying to warn themselves of a future attack; an episode where Sheppard (Flanigan) is cursed with bad luck by a mystic; an episode that would’ve brought back original series co-star Rainbow Sun Francks as Lt. Aidan Ford, a former team member who went rogue after the show’s first season; and the return of former expedition leader Elizabeth Weir (Torri Higginson) as the team discovers a hidden cache of Ancient technology.

The season finale would’ve featured one of the biggest space battles in franchise history, as Atlantis takes on a sister-city (basically another Atlantis-sized city ship) being piloted by recurring antagonists the Genii, a rival human civilization in the Pegasus Galaxy. The finale would’ve been an hour-long battle, with Shepard and his crew infiltrating the sister-city ship to destroy it — with their old frenemy Todd the Wraith swooping in to save the day with his own fleet of Wrath ships at the eleventh hour to assist in the battle.

The finale would’ve ended with the rival city-ship destroyed, our heroes victorious, and an uneasy peace in the Pegasus Galaxy.

Edited July 3 by tv echo

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[tv echo]

From the Sunday schedule for SDCC 2024...

https://comiccon2024.sched.com/event/1gO6w/dial-the-gates-stargate-30th-anniversary-fan-celebration?iframe=no 

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Dial the Gate's Stargate 30th Anniversary Fan Celebration
Sunday July 28, 2024 10:30am - 11:30am PDT
Room 6BCF
Dial the Gate proudly hosts a special fandom salute to the 30th anniversary of the Stargate feature film. Erick Avari (Kasuf), Alexa Cruz, Pierre Bernard (Stargate SG-1's O'Brien), and Stargate fans David Read (Dial the Gate), Marcia Middleton, and Jenny Stiven discuss the impact of the film and explore the incredible world it created.

Edited July 15 by tv echo