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  1. AuntieMame

    Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

    Yes, women can be evil and power hungry and corrupt. I've already stated this other places in the thread. Yes, we've gotten clues before about Dany being willing to cut corners ethically. The Unsullied spring to mind. But Dany, according to the show, went crazy because the North didn't immediately give her adoration on the Mysha level and further because Jon Snow won't be her boyfriend. Not the loss of Missandei or the dragons or the bulk of her armies, but because this just looks like Dany is in a snit because she isn't the prettiest girl in the seventh grade. No examination even of the issues with restoring deposed dynasties. Just basically Dany pouting and because she has a dragon her pouting includes the slaughter of innocents. That is what is sexist (not to mention plain bad) about the writing.
  2. AuntieMame

    Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

    Oh for the sevens sake, please don't give them any ideas. It would be a bad replay of Wesley's death on angel.
  3. AuntieMame

    Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

    I love TCoNarnia too lucindabelle and hated The Last Battle even when I was a little girl. You make a very good point about the viewer being manipulated by the visceral scenes of war in The Bells. For all that this show has veered to spectacle once source material was exhausted, these war scenes showed the suffering in a way we haven't seen. And it is to support the madness of Dany narrati I would have watched the scion of a deposed royal family slowly go insane while pursuing a pyrrhic restoration with relish. We weren't shown this, even with some of Dany's more questionable choices and actions. I never thought Dany would rule Westeros - too obvious. Ditto with Jon Snow. I wish they'd left Jon dead after his Ceasaring. I always thought it would have been very interesting to have Jon revealed as Azor or the PtwP and then watch mere humans meeting an existential threat WITHOUT their mythical, mystical messiah figure that gives them their only chance of victory. Plus cope with the loss of a person. That would have truly been trope busting. As far as I can tell, Jon Snows only virtue is being pretty and that is starting to pall. Though I know people who consider him a favorite too, so go figure.
  4. AuntieMame

    S08.E05: The Bells

    Just to be clear, I've never thought of Dany as a savior and I never thought she would sit the Iron Throne, too easy in the trope bending Martin was trying. The business woman in me hated how she cheated to acquire the Unsullied, even if she was freeing slaves in theory. Me, I wonder just how free the Unsullied can really be. i would have no problem reading or watching the making of a tyrant, but the characterization and motivations have been sexist and inconsistent. I'm not bothered that Dany is bad. I'm bothered at the reasons given.
  5. AuntieMame

    Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

    You aren't the only one who had trouble watching Stannis burn Shireen. I was screaming at the television: "Dude! Any God that demands sacrifice, especially of a child is a God to be fought, not worshipped." The difference is that I understood exactly how Stannis got to that point, history, character and circumstances . It was all clear and consistent. It was the same with Cersei empowering the sparrows and then burning the sept; it wasn't right by any means but it made sense in terms of Cersei's personality, history and circumstances. With Dany on the other hand, her motivations in these last episodes are basically bitches be crazy combined with her love of Jon and the loss pushed her over the edge. It isn't consistent even for a character who wants conquest. The seven kingdoms aren't conquest to Dany but restoration. Even with the horrific losses Dany has borne, I'm not certain that adding to the dead makes sense in the situation and the reasons given are trite and sexist. Sexism isn't just about education or wealth or power or position. It is about whether women are viewed as fully human. People who aren't seen as fully human? Their minds, emotions, reasons and motivations are often seen either as a mystery or as cliches. These writers can't really write a female character unless she is either a bundle of cliches (Cersei loves her children) or a proto man (Brienne and Arya are warriors and are thus comprehensible.) What an actual female warrior might be like is left unexplored.
  6. AuntieMame

    Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

    This is all interesting and brilliantly stated. The prophecies that fans have been analyzing for years? Yeah, go ahead and ignore those. Not only Dany, but many of the other women were written with misogynist tropes. I love Arya, but she is a "not like the other girls" because she likes boy things (and is too ugly to be a lady, like Brienne) and is therefore written as proto male. I'm bummed that Yara doesn't get an ending,vat least not so far. Yara's loyalty to Theon was something I liked. I thought I would be happy to get any ending because I don't think Martin is going to finish his books, but I'm not happy with this CGI spectacle that can't stay consistent with the characters. oh and I hated the dropping of Jaime's redemption arc with no explanation. I don't mind so much that Jaime failed but that it wasn't explained and that the real reason seems to be D and D's obsession with Cersei. Why would anyone get the warm fuzzies for Cersei?
  7. AuntieMame

    S08.E05: The Bells

    Clearly the writers didn't want to be bothered actually writing something. Two of five episodes have been pretty much dialogue free.
  8. AuntieMame

    S08.E05: The Bells

    noDorothyParker - I'm screaming yes in agreement like Sally in the deli scene. I loved your take on human failures in breaking toxic patterns as exemplified in Jaime. Again, an actual life issue for many people including me and worthy of narrative examination. I'd love to watch that. Instead we got this hot mess.
  9. AuntieMame

    S08.E05: The Bells

    I wondered while watching if it was a death hallucination ala Incident at Owl Creek Bridge. You aren't alone, but wow, if the last episode shows Arya's death in KL, I think the internet might break. It would at least give Jon motive to kill Dany if Arya was killed with the innocents of King's Landing.
  10. The very fact that nobody, nobody even considered the possibility of an ambush given Cersei's actions and ambitions is the problem. You don't have to be Eisenhower to at least consider it as a possibility. And if everyone was too shattered to consider the tactical situation, then the argument that they needed rest before dealing with Cersei is that much stronger. I understand what an ambush is. I also understand defensive tactics and strategy and this just makes them all look like morons. At this point, I don't care who sits on that ugly throne.
  11. The only problem with Drogon being so effective in King's Landing is that it makes you wonder why the other two dragons were ineffective during other battles and seemed easy to kill. One day the Iron Fleet is successful in a ridiculously transparent ambush and kills a dragon easily; the next battle and the Iron Fleet is easily beaten and with one less dragon. None of it makes any sense.
  12. AuntieMame

    S08.E05: The Bells

    Non-combatants have always had the highest casualty figures during war. Always. Especially if you are unlucky enough that the war is held in your ground. The estimates for dead during WWII range from sixty to a hundred million depending on the source and historian. The vast majority of these deaths are civilian. Now you can quibble that dying of starvation during say the Siege of Leningrad isn't directly a death by combat, but it is a death by war and because of military decisions taken at the top. War always has and always will kill more civilians than anyone else. One of the few things I liked about the Bells is that we did get some sense of just how awful it is, but the reasons for showing the horror are all in narrative service to justifying war.
  13. AuntieMame

    S08.E05: The Bells

    Aren't all wars ultimately filled with war crimes and the literal slaughter of innocents? And isn't this fact something our art should be examining rather than the easy projection of evil into the enemy/other so that we can watch heroes fighting "evil"? The awful truth that none of us wants to face is that most of the evil comes from us. Yeah, I don't quite know what to do with this either but the fact that these writers haven't bothered to wrestle with the contradictions of human character really bothers me. For all of Martin's faults, I think he at least tried.
  14. AuntieMame

    Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

    You make a good point here. We don't really know even the mechanics of how Rhaegar even had Lyanna with him given that he was married and she engaged. In societies where women are traded as breeders, valuable breeders are controlled (oops, I meant protected) and not really allowed to run all over the countryside breaking up marriages, especially the King's marriage. Not a lot of sense here.
  15. Yes, it would be if the writing supported this arc. I would love to watch a good person be compromised by ambition and circumstances and fatal flaws. Even better to have a portrayal of a person who goes bad without being a psychopath to begin. That would be brilliant and genuine art. That would teach us about ourselves and where we go wrong and right. This is not that.
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