S03.E11: Waterfront

[OnceSane]

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Lydia's mum celebrates her 69th birthday, Gina launches her perfume line and  the ladies all get together for a final dramatic dinner come showdown at the Waterfront Restaurant.

[CrinkleCutCat]

Jackie v Lydia: I believe Jackie: All day. Every day.

'Best final comment in a Real Housewives finale' award goes to Gina: "Well, everyone go fuck yourselves!".

Edited May 1, 2016 by CrinkleCutCat
Adding extra words.

[queenjen]

Watching the bitchfight at the end in all its glory, one thing kept going through my head:

WHAT was going on with Chyka's NECK during her predinner Mobwives 'sit down' with Lydiot!? At first I was mesmerized by the blocky blingy 'I've Got The Key to the Door!!' earrings as they swung and shuddered. Then I found my eyes drawn to her décolleté area and neck, which was probably the point. Wtf was going on? Chyka starts getting redder and more swollen...is she getting off on schooling Lydiot or is there a pathological issue happening? I was waiting for the epipen to come out. Admittedly, it isn't that surprising given the proximity to Lydiot. It was fixating to watch and certainly highlighted Chyka's neck creases. Bad makeup or a medical issue? I'll now be watching Chyka's neck instead of her face. Maybe that's why she was a no show at Gina's perfume launch? 

Btw, I suspect Kylie Minogue, currently battling legally with Kylie Jenner over use and ownership of the 1 word sobriquet Kylie, is just heaving a big 'whatevs' at the universe over Gina's claim that she is the first Australian celebrity with a perfume. Seriously? !

There was some campness occurring with the segue into the launch segment (I'm aware of the irony, bear with me). We get Jimmy Choo, Gucci then, wait for it, Chemist Warehouse! For those outside Australia, this is a discount chain of chemists with a line in flogging cheap celebrity perfumes that don't share shelf space with reputable and luxe brands in upmarket department stores or specialist perfumeries. They do sell a lot of weight loss supplements and aged care aids. I was in there purchasing enemas when I spotted the cardboard stand with Gina's new product (I'm deliberately not using the word perfume) and cautiously spritzed a little away from me. It is in the ballpark of Issey Miyake's summery fragrance with the water and melon notes, that comes in the slender pyramid bottle. At least it's not another fruity floral. 

That was a pretty underwhelming season and finale when PPF even manages to scrape through with some integrity. Lydiot's desperate attempts to deflect the accusations at Jackie were laughable and no one was buying it. Lydiot came to the final dinner looking smug and self satisfied in the after glow of at least not having been assassinated on the spot by terminally neutral Chyka. Her vindication was not to last. Jackie was just the messenger: 'Lydiot, we hear you've been spreading nasty rumors and we're over it'. From this, Lydiot has developed a case (and she's stuck to it for the last 3 episodes) that claims it is all Jackie's fault, Jackie is a liar and 'a little troublemaker'. Lydiot is 1 of those people who believes anything and anyone is fair game at any time, as long as you don't get caught. That's all she is sorry for. Chyka is in the LVP and Kyle class of heavyweight champions for under rug sweeping. Chyka gave Lydiot a pass. Not so the rest of the HWs. And it got ugly. Lydiot's true immature colors appear when she's under fire. Mimicking Jackie only made her look hideous. Calling Jackie a pig... Lydiot's MO, like PPF'S, has always been to deflect whatever she's been accused of back at the injured party. This is old hat. Look at Lydiot's face as she calls Jackie a pig. I was surprised she didn't start grunting and squealing when she'd finished. 

Hopefully, fingers crossed, we don't have to endure this crass racist moron on our screens again. If she'd been called on her casual racism last series, then having her continue into this 1 would have made sense. But no, and the fact she mimicked PPF'S accent in the heat of the dinner also did not go unnoticed. People's true colors appear when under pressure. 

Lydiot's denials and Clinton like repetitions and 'don't remembers' almost just gained some traction until Suzie jumped in and Lydiot had the audacity to claim she couldn't remember Suzie's wedding either. That was the end for Lydiot and finally gave Suzie a purpose for being on the show, something I couldn't figure out until this segment. But please fix your teeth!!! 

Big push this epi to make PPF more palatable. The producers wheeled in both Nathan, her son (sans girlfriend/fiancée though) and sister Gillian (who has extremely strong facial features) and viewers are now expected to find PPF more relatable which would indicate she'll probably still be with the cast next season. If there is one. 

Roll on reunion. If they are going to give any more screen time to Lydiot's vacuous and nasty life I hope they are even handed about it: for every 2nd of dog montage, please show same of Lydiot being the racist she is deep down in her appearances with Joanna and Joanna's family in the Phillipines. 

Ps. Had to laugh when Lydiot invokes car salesmen and how one should behave with them, given they can't be trusted. Lydiot's behavior with the car sales person at the Porsche dealership was telling. 

Edited May 2, 2016 by queenjen
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[RHJunkie]

Lydia is the dumbest broad I've come across on the HW franchise. First she says that the problem isn't that she gossiped but that Jackie put it out there. Then she says that Jackie is talking about bunch of crap. Then she denies talking about the other women and pretending that she doesn't know what they're talking about. In her TH's she admits to gossiping and justifying it as being common and that everyone does it. Gina hit the nail on the head - the woman is just absolutely daft. 

Lydia in just one episode says she's not a liar and then goes on to say something that proves she's a liar. I believe Jackie on this one. The affair accusation is a hefty one but I wouldn't be surprised. Ending on Gina's comment and Gamble's look of confusion was hilarious. 

[Vicky8675309]

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/reality-tv/real-housewives-finale-recap-jackie-spills-all-the-secrets/news-story/f11019033b55d2cba9a1ae7e8ea43967

 

Lydia was unintentionally hilarious at the finale dinner. Pre-dementia? Then saying everyone gossips. Her neologisms such as spoking, lol. I did laugh at her mocking of everyone's way of talking~ it seemed like Lydia reverted to a 5 year old. PF (my favorite narcissist to laugh at) had a good talk with her sister. Jackie showed her true colors (remember in prior seasons she was thick as thieves with Lydia) did what she was mad at Lydia about, which was gossip---she told the world on camera that Lydia was unfaithful (affair) to her husband! Everyone disapproved of Jackie saying that. I don't get Jackie's motives--I can't stand Jackie (sure Lydia & PF are horrible but they are entertaining to watch)

[Vicky8675309]

Gamble was hilarious and I like her friendship with Gina. I wonder if they had scenes together that were cut in editing. I think they are on the same couch at the reunion so that is good. I do think any drama between Gamble and Gina is just a manufactured storyline (I hope it is since I like them together). Foxtel's shading of Lydia with "spoking" was THE BEST!

It's weird that I don't hate the villains on RHOM. I find PF and Lydia fascinating/entertaining villains unlike Yolanda and Eileen from RHOBH. I dislike Jackie (I don't think she is supposed to be a villain but she is for me, lol) but not to the extent that I dislike Yo & Eileen from BH. Also it is strange that much of the drama on RHOM also occurred off camera but it wasn't as convoluted and petty as RHOBH's off camera drama.

I wanted to watch more of the "fight", lol. Why did they refer to the gossip about Chyka as "a,b, c and d". It makes me think it is more then just gossip about Chyka's husband being gay. Do the kid's have different fathers? I want to know more about PF's husband and Gina's partner? What do they do and what do they look like? I loved Gamble sticking up for Wolfpup and saying no one wants Jackie's husband. Yay Gamble! Jackie was being a bitch and so rude to Gamble's response (dismissive and just horrible)

[CrinkleCutCat]

8 hours ago, Vicky8675309 said:

Gamble was hilarious and I like her friendship with Gina. I wonder if they had scenes together that were cut in editing. I think they are on the same couch at the reunion so that is good. I do think any drama between Gamble and Gina is just a manufactured storyline (I hope it is since I like them together). Foxtel's shading of Lydia with "spoking" was THE BEST!

It's weird that I don't hate the villains on RHOM. I find PF and Lydia fascinating/entertaining villains unlike Yolanda and Eileen from RHOBH. I dislike Jackie (I don't think she is supposed to be a villain but she is for me, lol) but not to the extent that I dislike Yo & Eileen from BH. Also it is strange that much of the drama on RHOM also occurred off camera but it wasn't as convoluted and petty as RHOBH's off camera drama.

I wanted to watch more of the "fight", lol. Why did they refer to the gossip about Chyka as "a,b, c and d". It makes me think it is more then just gossip about Chyka's husband being gay. Do the kid's have different fathers? I want to know more about PF's husband and Gina's partner? What do they do and what do they look like? I loved Gamble sticking up for Wolfpup and saying no one wants Jackie's husband. Yay Gamble! Jackie was being a bitch and so rude to Gamble's response (dismissive and just horrible)

Here you go:

Gina's property developer boyfriend Dean Giannarelli and Pettifleur's businessman 'partner' Frank Palazzo ( partner is how he is referred to in what I found so don't know if they are married, although that's how Petti refers to him)

 

 

 

[Vicky8675309]

3 hours ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

Here you go:

Gina's property developer boyfriend Dean Giannarelli and Pettifleur's businessman 'partner' Frank Palazzo ( partner is how he is referred to in what I found so don't know if they are married, although that's how Petti refers to him)

 

 

 

Thank you!

I've heard rumors about Gina's partner being "connected"

[MaryTylerMoore]

13 hours ago, Vicky8675309 said:

Jackie was being a bitch and so rude to Gamble's response (dismissive and just horrible)

Gamble shouldn't have interrupted. Jackie was making a specific point and Gamble had to step in to say Wolfpup isn't old when anyone with eyes can see that he is. Jackie was about to spill some great tea and dummy Gamble had to interrupt. Last year all the talk was about Lydia having affairs (note her tagline this season about flirting) and I think Jackie was about to deliver the goods on what went on. I mean we all saw Lydia with the Porche salesman--flirt.

I wish the editors would have just let the fight go instead of inter-cutting the commentary from Lydia. She didn't do herself any favors.

I wasn't a fan of Jackie's in seasons past but this year she was a star in calling out bullshit.

[Vicky8675309]

Jackie participated in all the gossip with Lydia and didn't have a problem until later (they were tight for multiple seasons)

[OnceSane]

I had no problem with Jackie putting Lydia's business out on the street.  Lydia had no problem doing it to the other ladies, why should Jackie hold back?  Especially with Lydia acting like it was no big deal half the time and like she was some innocent, misunderstood flower the rest of it.

[strongoxman]

I'm just glad Susie finally gave herself a purpose for being on this season with the revelation that Lydia was at the damn wedding!  Otherwise, I've been wondering why the hell she was a full-time HW in the first place.  She received marginally more screen time than Gillian, whom I found infinitely more interesting.  One curiosity, though: during Jackie's reading of Susie (which I quite enjoyed), Susie mentioned going on a Jewish food kick, making latkes and other things--was this cutting-room-floor footage, or was it not filmed at all?  I just find it odd that with so little Susie footage shown she was given top billing.

Overall, great season.  Gina is still my favorite, but Gamble is a close #2.  It's been fun noticing how my opinions have changed (or not) for each of the ladies over the past 3 seasons--still love-to-hate racist Lydia, have definitely softened on Janet and Jackie, like Pettifleur less than last season (but not enough to hate her), and still feel quite neutral about Chyka.

Favorite moment via Gina (to Pettifleur et al): "Josh says you've been blowing a smurf!"

[RHJunkie]

On 5/3/2016 at 1:31 AM, Vicky8675309 said:

Jackie participated in all the gossip with Lydia and didn't have a problem until later (they were tight for multiple seasons)

Well we don't know if she participated. Listening to what Lydia said is not participating unless she actively engages in the discussion, and more so guilty of participation if she goes back to shares it with other people

I don't see anything wrong with Jackie calling out Lydia, but she shouldn't have gone there with about Lydia having an affair. Instead she should have called out the fact that Lydia also has rumours going around about her so she should know better than anyone who damaging and annoying it is to have hear about it and address with people. Even more hurtful is not what's being said, but who is willing to repeat it.

[OnceSane]

IA that Jackie shouldn't have specified what was swirling about Lydia, just reiterated that there were rumors about Lydia as well which she wouldn't appreciate being bandied about.

 

Anyone think Jackie will be pregnant at the reunion?

[sarkygal]

Looks like Chyka won't be returning if the show is renewed. I'm impressed the other ladies refused to divulge the rumour about her family. Good thing she has enough sense and left before her brand gets damaged. Some of the American housewives could learn a thing or two from her. 

[halkatla]

I really liked this season and I think the whole cast brought it in different ways. Most of them are so fun to hate, it´s wonderful. Like Janet, Petti, Jackie and Lydia. There were so many big words poor Lydiot was trying to use throughout the season, it was fun to laugh at. Like someone said up thread, these "villains" are nothing like the hateful villains on RHoBH. Even a gossiping, cheating, racist like Lydia gets a pass, since she´s mentally retarded.

I dislike Jackie (I don´t really believe she tells the truth all that much), always have, but I still loved her on the show this season and I especially love her face, it should get it´s own show. She´s pretty vicious and has street smarts, which especially Petti and Lydia lack. She could take them down all day every day but I get kind of a bad vibe from it because they´re both too dumb/immature to defend themselves.

[HunterHunted]

On 5/2/2016 at 8:51 AM, Vicky8675309 said:

It's weird that I don't hate the villains on RHOM. I find PF and Lydia fascinating/entertaining villains unlike Yolanda and Eileen from RHOBH. I dislike Jackie (I don't think she is supposed to be a villain but she is for me, lol) but not to the extent that I dislike Yo & Eileen from BH. Also it is strange that much of the drama on RHOM also occurred off camera but it wasn't as convoluted and petty as RHOBH's off camera drama.

I think the difference is because RHoM goes out of the way to demonstrate how ridiculous and horrible its villains are. The show keeps tons of footage in of PF and Lydia acting like hateful assholes. The deliberate use of that footage feels like a wink from the show to the audience to demonstrate that they understand how horrible PF and Lydia are. On the American shows they treat villains' behavior like it's legitimate. And we have to wait for a reunion for a package that fully demonstrates how stupid and petty the villain really is.

[sasha206]

Am I the only one who finds Chyka to be a handsome woman? There's something about her that is so attractive to me!  Better hair this year too.

[sasha206]

On 5/1/2016 at 8:50 AM, CrinkleCutCat said:

Jackie v Lydia: I believe Jackie: All day. Every day.

'Best final comment in a Real Housewives finale' award goes to Gina: "Well, everyone go fuck yourselves!".

I fucking love Gina!

Actually I love this cast, even the Lydiot and Pettifleur.  

Gamble is such a sweetheart.  Janet does make me laugh.  I hated Jackie season 1 and then fell in love with her.  Chyka I find so elegant.   Great cast.

[Primetimer]

While everyone else tries to mend fences for the season finale, Jackie uses the final gathering of the season to further defame her mortal enemy.

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[HunterHunted]

Pre-dementia?!?!!? Is this bitch serious? Andrew needs to buy this dumbass a business. I know he thought that's what he was doing when sent Lydiot to design school, but she needs her own design version of Envy by Melissa Gorga or Kyle by Alene Too. She needs an existing business that she can glom onto and have one little Lydiot corner where she can her put finds.

[lunastartron]

There is something clinically wrong with Jackie. Every season, without exception, has concluded with her shrieking ferally and declaring shiva on whichever coworker is her declared target. Anyone else recall the finale last year that featured her physically hitting Gina or one of her friends with a balcony door?

Still, the hilarious thing is that I believed her accusations against Lydia until she insanely insisted that Lyds was trying to "crack on" Ben and then turned like a rabid dog on Gamble for having the temerity to point out the obvious ridiculousness of that assertion.

Gina was a disappointment this year; how on earth does she not see the irony in her castigation of Lydia's refusal to supplicate herself with a group mea culpa when she, Gina, couldn't even concede that she had called Lydia a "cunt" despite camera footage capturing her uttering that epithet multiple times?

[tenativelyyours]

I think Jackie is one of those people who start with the truth and then have to embellish it to hammer home the point.  And while mostly the truth, her over the top emotions and embellishing make it confusing at best and completely untrustworthy at the worst.  It seems that Chyka herself had heard outside the group that the Lydiot was saying everything Jackie had accused her of and the Lydiot sort of admitted that when she sits down with Chyka.  But then in her talking head makes herself look like a raging asshole by claiming it was all just to make her own life easier. 

Gina is a fascinating player to watch.  She really is not liked by most of the cast in some way or another.  Janet has a sort of mocking scorn for her.  Chyka I think really has disliked her from the start.  Even during the first season she loved it when they talked about her makeup hair and style in a derogatory fashion and loved it when Jackie, Andrea and the Lydiot tried to take her down at the reunion.  There is a polite "get along mostly" attitude for the show that slips when Gina is the target of the rest, like when Gamble was whining about being called needy.  Gina and Jackie have never really made up.  For that matter, she and The Lydiot haven't really made up either.  It is just that it seems the Lydiot knew her rumor-mongering was not going to sit easy when they got together to film this season (and the inclusion of her old frenemy on the cast probably was a huge heads up-- especially since she was being brought on as Chyka's friend of standing, not hers).   And she saw Gina as someone to glom onto; as odd as Suzie's claims were, Dubai lent it some considerable credence that Gina was the goal and the Petty Flour was the means (its odd, Suzie manages to still seem crazy and yet also entirely credible at the same time in regards to the Lydiot while Jackie goes completely off the rails each time).  Ironically I think Gamble is someone Gina likes and so is Petty Flour.  I think Gina sees the Lydiot as a number equalizer in the cliques as well as a wonderful target to sit back and let the rest take their best shots at. 

Suzie seemed a bit wary of Gina; I suspect because she was Chyka's on air friend.  And she was aimed at the Lydiot the whole time and wasn't sure where Gina stood. 

Yet Gina does manage to sail through most of it.  She really manages to hand Gamble off to both defending the Lydiot to the rest blindly and willfully and  perhaps in a fit of contagion, idiotically and to taking on the really bad aspects of Petty Flour despite the wedding invite silliness.   She kind of makes Jackie grudgingly afford her respect even as Gina is the only one to really stick true to Petty Flour and be able to tell her to shut the fuck up in a manner that was not fake or for the cameras but a simple abrupt desperately needed moment of bluntness.  She kept Chyka and Janet at arms length mostly even when Janet really tried more than once to make moments out of Gina.  Janet and Chyka both were the ones to grudgingly concede before the rest on how little those moments were in the end. 

 

Jackie can claim to be a Housewife of such standing she could meet and match any of the US franchise Ho-wives.  But boy, would I love to see Gina take on the likes of the Frankelstein's Monster or Monkey Housing Hadid Foster Hadid.  I think of all the Housewives, no matter how stupid Gina can be in making her own problems (though maybe that is part of her whole on air gimmick -- cause drama and stick to it because resolution doesn't gain notice) like the viewing party lie, in the end she is the only one to actually use the dislike and hostility of others and learn from it and know how to use it to her advantage the next time around. 

[sasha206]

12 hours ago, tenativelyyours said:

But boy, would I love to see Gina take on the likes of the Frankelstein's Monster or Monkey Housing Hadid Foster Hadid.  I think of all the Housewives, no matter how stupid Gina can be in making her own problems (though maybe that is part of her whole on air gimmick -- cause drama and stick to it because resolution doesn't gain notice) like the viewing party lie, in the end she is the only one to actually use the dislike and hostility of others and learn from it and know how to use it to her advantage the next time around. 

I would LOVE to see her and Frankelstein on a show together.  Gina would tear her apart in the calm way that she does.

Bethenny thinks she's brilliant.  I suspect Gina actually is.