Morning Joe: All Episodes Talk

[Pike Ludwell]

50 minutes ago, SeanBug said:

I saw an article quoting Joe that he'd like to get the show back to what it was before Trump, when they had a variety of guests from news, politics, entertainment,  authors, etc. He wants to get away from the format of the show currently. 

https://www.tvinsider.com/1173293/joe-scarborough-msnbc-changes-morning-joe/

TBH, so would I. He and Mika are both on live at 9 am this morning. Guess cancelling Joy Reid's show was the FAFO moment the new President of MSNBC was hoping for.  Everybody get your shit together or there's the door. 

Changing the format is the right idea. They also need to get away from the regular guests. The first hour had the two boring Brits and a regular predictable, boring foreign policy guy. The 3rd hour had another boring Brit, hyping Rahm Emmanuel, of all people, as a role model for Dems. Rahm left the Chicago Mayor position with approval in the low 20s, for Pete's sake. Why do the evening shows always seem to have more relevant, interesting guests? Maybe it's difficult to bring in such folks in the early hours? Bring in (non-MAGA) people with different perspectives, like they used to bring in those Commentary guys. Matt Welch from Reason was on occasionally.

[Prairie Rose]

2 hours ago, Pike Ludwell said:

Changing the format is the right idea. They also need to get away from the regular guests. The first hour had the two boring Brits and a regular predictable, boring foreign policy guy. The 3rd hour had another boring Brit, hyping Rahm Emmanuel, of all people, as a role model for Dems. Rahm left the Chicago Mayor position with approval in the low 20s, for Pete's sake. Why do the evening shows always seem to have more relevant, interesting guests? Maybe it's difficult to bring in such folks in the early hours? Bring in (non-MAGA) people with different perspectives, like they used to bring in those Commentary guys. Matt Welch from Reason was on occasionally.

Yes, and maaaaybe bringing Chris Matthews back is not the best idea. Apparently, no one including Joe and Mika remembers why Matthews was outsted from MSNBC in the first place. UGGGH.

[Kemper]

I am sorry, but I don't want to see Joe (and Meeka) on any MSNBC show. He is an egomaniacal blowhard.  If he gets his wish (why can't the network seem to quit him) on having an entertainment show he will still find ways to make it all about him. Back when he had a high school band, back when he played guitar at campus bars, back when he led the Young Republicans in college. (I made all of that up - but you get the gist) He is exhausting. Then there is Meeka's KYV schtik, her poor little too-educated -to know-who celebrities are schtick. They are both past their MSNBC sell-by date. I guess I am just disappointed in hearing news of who is staying and who is going at the network.

[plumbago blues]

Did they mention the layoffs this morning? I read that Katy Phang(?) lost her show and apparently she was based in Florida...and that MSNBC was shutting down their FL operations. Will Joe and the Mrs. be next?

[SeanBug]

JoMika work from their home. Katie and Jose worked at a studio I believe. 

9 hours ago, Pike Ludwell said:

Why do the evening shows always seem to have more relevant, interesting guests?

Credibility. JoMika had very little before election, it's in the negative territory now. 

[plumbago blues]

Yeah, their work from home gig started years ago. I was wondering if shutting down a support center type place for them would force them out. Time will tell.  

[Prairie Rose]

1 hour ago, plumbago blues said:

Yeah, their work from home gig started years ago. I was wondering if shutting down a support center type place for them would force them out. Time will tell.  

Didn't they start off working from home during the pandemic (like most broadcasters) and then just stuck with it, or did they have this arrangement before? Aren't they only actually in the studio once a week?

[Kemper]

1 hour ago, Prairie Rose said:

Didn't they start off working from home during the pandemic (like most broadcasters) and then just stuck with it, or did they have this arrangement before? Aren't they only actually in the studio once a week?

I am trying to remember..but I think they started working from home before Covid. Was it when they moved from New York to Florida? Gotta go where taxes are low.  

[plumbago blues]

3 hours ago, Kemper said:

I think they started working from home before Covid. Was it when they moved from New York to Florida? Gotta go where taxes are low.  

I am almost certain you are correct. We got quite a lot of mileage out of the "breakfast nook" situation before it became common with the onset of Covid.  

[SeanBug]

2 hours ago, plumbago blues said:

I am almost certain you are correct. We got quite a lot of mileage out of the "breakfast nook" situation before it became common with the onset of Covid.  

And Mika's bathrobe.  At least working from home she didn't have to go thru her purse to find a Valium. And she could stash the vodka under her desk instead of using one of those little airplane bottles. 

[oakville]

1 hour ago, plumbago blues said:

I am almost certain you are correct. We got quite a lot of mileage out of the "breakfast nook" situation before it became common with the onset of Covid.  

Yes, they did move to Florida before COVID-19. The official reason was that Joe wanted to be closer to his dementia-stricken mother, and Mika's mom needed to be in a warmer climate to use her chainsaw.

However, before the move, Joe was very critical of the high taxes in Connecticut. Joe invited the Governor on the show & warned him that the state would lose businesses and high-profile cable news broadcasters unless taxes were cut.

The Governor did not listen to Joe & his home was sold for a loss.

[SeanBug]

I cannot believe Mika is holding that idiotic KYV summit in Abu Dhabi again. Tone deaf much?? 

How in God's name did they rope Sheryl Lee Ralph into this shit show.  Girlfriend you do not need to associate yourself with this nonsense. 

They do volunteer work at schools in Abu Dhabi. How about doing something at schools in the US. 

I notice Mika doesn't mention the location of the "summit" on air.  Please join me and all my rich minions in the country that doesn't allow civil rights, worker's rights, etc. 

 

[Pike Ludwell]

They opened with a clip of Musk at the cabinet meeting saying they restored the ebola funding. Last night's prime shows were all over the fact that this was a lie. So, after the clip does Mika state that this was Musk lying? No. She says something like "this was a scene from a cabinet meeting yesterday". I didn't watch the whole show, and maybe someone addressed it later, but the old show would have pointed it out as a lie right off the bat.

Later edit: At the 22 minute mark they discuss the falsehood.

Edited Thursday at 03:33 PM by Pike Ludwell

[SeanBug]

6 am is too early for Mika to be paying attention to what the staff gives her as far as Musk and his Ebola funding nightmare. She's barely awake. 

Seems a lot of the anger at MSNBC may be stemming from MJ still around 650,000 viewers as of the last ratings report, where they were over a million before the election. 

So if it's ratings that are the cause of the firings, why are JoMika safe?  Maybe because they kissed the ring and Comcast is protecting them? 

Either way, it explains why Mika and Joe can do such a sloppy job, piss off viewers, and keep their jobs. 

 

[Lowcountry snark]

23 hours ago, Pike Ludwell said:

Later edit: At the 22 minute mark they discuss the falsehood.

Are there any shows keeping a running tally of the lies, illegalities, and grift?

[SeanBug]

3 hours ago, Lowcountry snark said:

Are there any shows keeping a running tally of the lies, illegalities, and grift?

Probably Rachel. Maybe not a chart with the daily read out, but she keeps track of it every day. 

[millennium]

I switched on this morning, just to hear the reaction to Friday's events.   Prior to the Mar-A-Lago pilgrimage, Scarborough would have gone full "flame-on" after something like that press conference.   Today, disapproval is expressed with sober faces and somber tones.  He said there were several things about the Oval Office meeting that were "questionable."   He asked a guest if Trump's brusque treatment of Zelensky was a part of Trump's process?  "Is this the art of the deal?"

That was enough for me.

[SeanBug]

18 hours ago, millennium said:

I switched on this morning, just to hear the reaction to Friday's events.   Prior to the Mar-A-Lago pilgrimage, Scarborough would have gone full "flame-on" after something like that press conference.   Today, disapproval is expressed with sober faces and somber tones.  He said there were several things about the Oval Office meeting that were "questionable."   He asked a guest if Trump's brusque treatment of Zelensky was a part of Trump's process?  "Is this the art of the deal?"

That was enough for me.

Never underestimate Joe's (and Mika's) ability to prove what ass kissing cowards they are. 

 

 

[Kemper]

I saw the ratings, somewhere, of shows on the network that have been "cancelled"....MJs ratings have taken a plunge. Are they going to be able to work their part-time hours with the money they are hauling in? I don't like the words "cancel culture" ...;but no one, no other show, should be cancelled before MJ. He and his wife have become an embarrassment. 

[oakville]

22 hours ago, millennium said:

I switched on this morning, just to hear the reaction to Friday's events.   Prior to the Mar-A-Lago pilgrimage, Scarborough would have gone full "flame-on" after something like that press conference.   Today, disapproval is expressed with sober faces and somber tones.  He said there were several things about the Oval Office meeting that were "questionable."   He asked a guest if Trump's brusque treatment of Zelensky was a part of Trump's process?  "Is this the art of the deal?"

That was enough for me.

There are reports that MSNBC will not subsidize any costs associated with any potential lawsuits filed by Trump against Mika & Joe or the network in case Mika & Joe start flaming Trump again with their traditional insults. ABC had to pay Trump's Presidential Library $15M for Stephanopoulos calling Trump a rapist. Trump is suing CBS 60 Minutes for editing the Kamala Harris interview before the election. Shari Redstone, owner of CBS, wants to settle the lawsuit.

Mika & Joe prefer to keep their cushy jobs on the network. I doubt their contract will be renewed at their current salary levels.

[Pike Ludwell]

I think the show is in it's last legs. Joe's lost some enthusiasm. Mika has said things lately indicating she can't handle politics discussions and wants to avoid them. She looked extremely bothered yesterday and barely said a word. I guess she needed a rest today - she was out. If MSNBC doesn't let them go they might just quit on their own.

I watched a little of the 7:00 hour. Joe went out of his way to point out that the business leaders still like Trump and in general he's just as popular as when he was elected. They love to have British women on, so Tina Brown was on, hyping how great their PM is and what a genius move it was to invite Trump to visit the King. And she went on to hype the monarchy as a great institution. Joe just let everything go unchallenged.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Pike Ludwell

[oakville]

4 hours ago, Pike Ludwell said:

I think the show is in it's last legs. Joe's lost some enthusiasm. Mika has said things lately indicating she can't handle politics discussions and wants to avoid them. She looked extremely bothered yesterday and barely said a word. I guess she needed a rest today - she was out. If MSNBC doesn't let them go they might just quit on their own.

I watched a little of the 7:00 hour. Joe went out of his way to point out that the business leaders still like Trump and in general he's just as popular as when he was elected. They love to have British women on, so Tina Brown was on, hyping how great their PM is and what a genius move it was to invite Trump to visit the King. And she went on to hype the monarchy as a great institution. Joe just let everything go unchallenged.

 

Tina Brown was an original Morning Joe panellist. Katty Kay replaced her.

Mika & Joe should consider retiring. They hit the jackpot by being friends with Trump before he entered politics. They were on The Apprentice as special guests/coaches to help the show. They were on a golf course together.

Joe was receptive to letting Trump come on Morning Joe and mouth off on whatever he wanted to say in the 2016 primaries. They got caught on a hot mic when Trump and Joe told Mika not to ask any tough questions during the Town Hall. After he won the nomination, Mika and Joe started attacking him, etc. It's like the WWF.

Mika and Joe have made at least $100M since Trump became a political candidate. Their kids and grandkids will all benefit from their relationship with him.

I could see MSNBC letting Joe do a few Scarborough presents interviews with celebrities.

Mika could work with Forbes on the Know Your Value summits.

[Prairie Rose]

8 hours ago, Pike Ludwell said:

I think the show is in it's last legs. Joe's lost some enthusiasm. Mika has said things lately indicating she can't handle politics discussions and wants to avoid them. She looked extremely bothered yesterday and barely said a word. I guess she needed a rest today - she was out. If MSNBC doesn't let them go they might just quit on their own.

I watched a little of the 7:00 hour. Joe went out of his way to point out that the business leaders still like Trump and in general he's just as popular as when he was elected. They love to have British women on, so Tina Brown was on, hyping how great their PM is and what a genius move it was to invite Trump to visit the King. And she went on to hype the monarchy as a great institution. Joe just let everything go unchallenged.

Does anyone think the Mr. and Mrs. would give up such a cushy gig on their own? If MSNBC hasn't shown them the door by now, they probably never will.

[Pike Ludwell]

12 minutes ago, Prairie Rose said:

Does anyone think the Mr. and Mrs. would give up such a cushy gig on their own? If MSNBC hasn't shown them the door by now, they probably never will.

Voluntary departures happen when the going gets tough or tedious and compensation keeps getting reduced. There's other things they can do.