The West Wing Season Four: Game On!

[betsyboo]

HOW THE HELL IS IT LOSING??????  HELP ME PEOPLE!!!!! :)

Can we vote more than once? I've never tried. I'm on it.

[BizBuzz]

I put my vote in!  

[SingleMaltBlonde]

I love Josh/Will, but I always think of him as David Rosen.  

 

I called him Jeremy (from Sports Night) for years....I also love him as President Seibert on Big Bang Theory.

 

But I have a major crush on Jeremy/Will/Josh.  At work we were discussing tv crushes and Hanry Cavill from Tudors came up...a WW fan and I were discussing our love of Jeremy/Will and people were not accepting as they were of Mr. Cavill.

 

While I am talking Sports Night...have we ever discussed how most of the characters on Sports Night has a parallel character on WW?

 

Now I am just babbling.

me too!! actually my fave comes in S5, ep1 on the portico.

Old enough to have watched Benson (with the 'lesser' Gold sister), but young enough to not have watched SOAP. Old enough to have watched the M*A*S*H finale in real time with my older brother, young enough to not have seen the movie until the advent of the VCR. #longliveHotLips

We might be exactly the same age....

[marriedaniac]

CJ's laugh in Privateers... oh gawd. THE SNORT she throws in there. Oh...lord.

[Diane]

Can we vote more than once? I've never tried. I'm on it.

Ok I am lost voting in what and where?

[betsyboo]

Ok I am lost voting in what and where?

Sorry, Diane! it was yesterday. Marian Cotesworth Hayes was up for King of TV Disparate Mountain. Sadly it lost.  :-((

[eyebleach]

Sorry, Diane! it was yesterday. Marian Cotesworth Hayes was up for King of TV Disparate Mountain. Sadly it lost.  :-((

 

This is going to take me a while to recover from.

[jaytee1812]

I'm watching Holy Night, something has bugged me for years. How on earth is the frog French royalty? Didn't they all get beheaded a couple of hundred years ago?

[jaytee1812]

I've also just noticed how much of a foodie they made Leo.

[Melancholy]

I LOVE foodie!Leo. It might be my favorite TWW recurring character quirk. 

 

LEO: Where'd ya eat?

DONNA: Phoebe's.

LEO: Ah, good. You know what you get there? Tell Dario, the chef, that you work for me and that you want flash-seared escolar with foie gras butter and a fresh juniper berry gravlax on a bed of shaved fennel. You have a nice '87 Petrus with that. [beat] What did you have?

DONNA: Two whiskey sours and a bowl of soup.

 

BARTLET: Pierre Boileau is cooking tonight. You want to have dinner?

LEO: What's he serving?

BARTLET: That's your answer?

LEO: I'm just asking.

BARTLET: Well, I can tell you that the man specializes in a reinterpretation of classic Provancale cuisine. Cassoulet, duck with green olives...

LEO: Yeah...

BARTLET: ...saffron chicken...

LEO: I haven't had a good saffron chicken in quite some time.

BARTLET: Well, don't you think you deserve one?

LEO: Yes.

BARTLET: His specialty is his dessert: Tomate de Saltambique.

LEO: That's gonna be a big, seedless beefsteak tomato stewed for three hours in creme de caramel and stuffed with...

BARTLET: Passion fruit, kiwi and hazelnuts, and...

LEO: ...served on a pomegranate reduction, yes.

BARTLET: Let's go.

 

MARGARET: Did you have other plans?

LEO: As a matter of fact, I did. I was planning a quiet night...

MARGARET: Watching your cooking show.

LEO: It's not just a cooking show, all right. It's very relaxing. The woman is sublime.

MARGARET: If you ask me, it's soft porn. No one needs to massage garlic oil into a leg of lamb that much...

 

LEO: We've got pastrami from Krupin's. It's tissue paper thin. Roast beef, corned beef, turkey, Russian dressing, coleslaw, and seedless rye, and winning the hard earned money of your coworkers. This is what I call a night off. C.J., squeeze this piece of rye bread.

C.J. walks over to him and squeezes the rye bread.

C.J.: Now what do I do?

 

Foodie!Leo is a homerun on adorable, hilarious interactions. 

Edited December 7, 2015 by Melancholy

[SingleMaltBlonde]

I'm watching Holy Night, something has bugged me for years. How on earth is the frog French royalty? Didn't they all get beheaded a couple of hundred years ago?

My understanding is parts of Europe are teeming with Euro Trash claiming to be heir to this throne or that....those French Revolutionaries didn't finish the job...so I did the google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Alphonse,_Duke_of_Anjou

 

I went down a royal wikipedia rabbit hole once and was really horrified at how inter-related the royals really are...

[jaytee1812]

I'm watching Game On, one of the little girl who makes a poster for Will is Ashley Benson from Pretty Little Liars.

The things you notice on rewatch 269!

[betsyboo]

I have only ever seen "The Long Goodbye" once - and hardly even then. We were about to move my mom into a dementia unit at an assisted living facility right around this time, so I vaguley recall watching this ep this thru my fingers. My only memory is cute Matthew Modine and her father burning something on the stove. Does anything else happen in this ep related to DC that I should know about for continuity? I always skip on a rewatch, but haven't done this season in a while, other than graduation.

[Eeksquire]

I don't think there's much that you need to know in the way of continuity, except that CJ's feelings about her father and his professional history inform her opposition to affirmative action, which I think is brought up in a couple of other episodes.  She feels he was passed over for promotions in favor of less-qualified women and that if things had been different and his life had been happier, he wouldn't be sick.

[BigBeagle]

On rewatching "Privateers," I was struck by how much I hated the scene between Charlie and Zoey, in which he "respectfully" declares his intentions to keep pursuing her. I know this is supposed to be some kind of grand romantic gesture by Charlie, but he comes off sounding like a stalker.

[BizBuzz]

On rewatching "Privateers," I was struck by how much I hated the scene between Charlie and Zoey, in which he "respectfully" declares his intentions to keep pursuing her. I know this is supposed to be some kind of grand romantic gesture by Charlie, but he comes off sounding like a stalker.

 

Wasn't that whole scene prompted by Will?

[BigBeagle]

 

Wasn't that whole scene prompted by Will?

Yeah, Will gave him the pep talk ... so I guess that means Charlie was the stalker and Will was his enabler -- or something like that.

[Eeksquire]

Ok, just rewatched the sequence of episodes beginning with the debate and ending with election night.  In particular, Sam's total befuddlement at Horton's win and his being announced as the candidate makes me laugh every time, from him enlisting Donna as his only confidante, to CJ's office as "the house of the rising sun" and Amy's pushing him to actually do it (while toting up gambling wins and losses of all kinds of things around the country).  

 

Plus, the parallel "nerd hot talk" from the President and Leo is just perfect.

[BW Manilowe]

Ok, just rewatched the sequence of episodes beginning with the debate and ending with election night. In particular, Sam's total befuddlement at Horton's win and his being announced as the candidate makes me laugh every time, from him enlisting Donna as his only confidante, to CJ's office as "the house of the rising sun" and Amy's pushing him to actually do it (while toting up gambling wins and losses of all kinds of things around the country).

Plus, the parallel "nerd hot talk" from the President and Leo is just perfect.

One of the bets, or whatever, Amy won on that Election Night had to do with something involving schools (I think) in Jasper, Alabama. That's where my mom was born. And then they mentioned The Philippines in the ep where Air Force One was stuck in midair & couldn't land, due to stuck landing gear or an indicator light saying it was stuck when it wasn't. My dad was born in The Philippines.

[betsyboo]

"WE CHANGED TIME ZONES?!?!?!?" Vote now at KODTM!

[Guest]

I hate Election Night. It's just a bad episode. 

I hate the plot with Toby and the ultrasound (ongoing). I don't like the election Sam storyline and how it sets up his exit. I really hate Donna's stupid plot line. Charlie's plot also irritates me.

I also hate Lily Tomlin's character (can't think of her name) not allowing Josh in the meeting. She irritates me in general.

[BW Manilowe]

16 hours ago, deaja said:

I hate Election Night. It's just a bad episode. 

I hate the plot with Toby and the ultrasound (ongoing). I don't like the election Sam storyline and how it sets up his exit. I really hate Donna's stupid plot line. Charlie's plot also irritates me.

I also hate Lily Tomlin's character (can't think of her name) not allowing Josh in the meeting. She irritates me in general.

Lily Tomlin's character name is (Mrs.) Debbie Fiderer. Maybe she wasn't as great as Mrs. Landingham, but I never had a problem with her. Probably because I thought she was quirky, & I like quirky, & because I also like Lily Tomlin.

[Kohola3]

I liked her as well once she got rolling after a rocky start. But her initial meeting with Jed was a bit of a hoot and then I felt she turned herself into a good replacement for our beloved Mrs. L.

[twinkietwin94]

I also love Lily and her Debbie, that initial meeting had me cracking up. I love the premise they used for bringing her in.

[Guest]

I don't think I could hate Donna's storyline during Inagauration any more than I do. Especially sitting at home in a ball gown waiting to be begged to come to the ball.

[twinkietwin94]

I have to say I love the Horton Wilde story, then again I was one of the people here in Missouri that voted for the deceased Mel Carnahan the election that inspired this story. 

[Guest]

Commencement's closing scene where Leo was running to get to Jed.... Wow. Just brought tears.

[twinkietwin94]

On 8/3/2016 at 9:08 PM, deaja said:

Commencement's closing scene where Leo was running to get to Jed.... Wow. Just brought tears.

Every single time!

[Kohola3]

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Commencement's closing scene where Leo was running to get to Jed.... Wow. Just brought tears.

I remember vividly sitting on the edge of the seat with my mouth hanging open in utter shock.  The only other time I was so gobsmacked was at the end of What Kind of Day.  Of course, back then if there were spoilers or hints I never knew about them - busy working for a living and all.

[DebbieW]

I literally get goosebumps just thinking about that scene.  The look of sheer terror on Leo's face.  John Spencer was amazing as Leo in so many ways.

[Mom2twoNonna2-3]

Mistake in filming, which they could try to explain away. In S4:E1 20 Hours in America Part 1, Toby, Donna and Josh are in Indiana. When they stop at the diner, there is a horse truck with Pennsylvania license plates. I know this was filmed partly in PA because the train scene takes place in downtown Bridgeville. I use downtown loosely. Now, I feel I have to go find the diner. I live in Bridgeville and my son in law is a chef at the restaurant across from the train.

 

My name is Toby Ziegler and I work in the White House.

[BW Manilowe]

On 6/26/2017 at 10:57 AM, Mom2twoNonna2one said:

Mistake in filming, which they could try to explain away. In S4:E1 20 Hours in America Part 1, Toby, Donna and Josh are in Indiana. When they stop at the diner, there is a horse truck with Pennsylvania license plates. I know this was filmed partly in PA because the train scene takes place in downtown Bridgeville. I use downtown loosely. Now, I feel I have to go find the diner. I live in Bridgeville and my son in law is a chef at the restaurant across from the train.

 

My name is Toby Ziegler and I work in the White House.

I could explain the PA license plate as someone from there just passing through the area on a trip (to IN or somewhere they'd have to pass through IN to get to) who stopped there to get a bite to eat.

[UYI]

Okay, now I've finished season 4. And I'll risk getting my ass kicked when I say I overall liked it a LOT better than season 3 (and I actually liked "The Long Goodbye", even though it was very sad).

But, serious question: how am I the first person to acknowledge that WINNIE FUCKING COOPER is Will's stepsister? THAT'S AWESOME!

I love adorable, sweet Will, trying to navigate his way through working at the White House. 

So did Sam's race just...end? That felt VERY anticlimactic.

And in for the record: The entire state of Indiana began observing DST in 2006, when Mitch Daniels was still Governor (it was voted on by the State House/Senate the year before). When I was born in Bloomington in 1989, it was on EST, not DST, but Northwest Indiana (Gary, other Chicago suburbs on the Hoosier side) and the Evansville area, being on the Central time zone side, had observed DST for years before that (although a few IN counties near both Cincinnati and Louisville apparently observed DST illegally before its official 2006 beginning).

And having seen one of the other posts up top, I guess I know Zoey will be safe, not that I expected anything else, really. LOL. 

[Mrs. DuRona]

Was the reunion episode shown out of order?  When CJs dad talked about going fishing, he said it was February, but the inauguration hadn't happened yet - which is usually in January.  

[BW Manilowe]

12 hours ago, Mrs. DuRona said:

Was the reunion episode shown out of order?  When CJs dad talked about going fishing, he said it was February, but the inauguration hadn't happened yet - which is usually in January.  

I haven't seen that ep in awhile, but wasn't CJ's dad's confusion because of his worsening Alzheimer's Disease (though, as I remember, nobody actually knew he had that yet)?