Sense8tional Speculation

[Athena]

Speculation for S2 and beyond. What do you think will happen? What do you want to happen?

[Boundary]

Season 2 yay!!! Which means time for realistic speculation. So ... maybe Will spends the whole season comatose in order to thwart Mr Whispers.

[missysays]

I hope there's more on the intertwining counterfeit drug story threads. I had originally thought it was only Kala and Capheus' storylines that were directly linked to the drug story. But now upon a review, that's what was behind the embezzling crime at Sun's family company too.

 

I want to know if Rajan or his father are involved on the pharmaceutical company side and how Sun's brother devaluing the stock impacts everything.

 

I know the Cluster is going to try their darnedest to figure out a way so that Will doesn't have to spend the entire season 2 comatose! ;-) Kill Whispers? Though I'm curious to see if the Wachowskis will start the story off right after Will and Riley's escape on the boat or if they're actually going to leap forward in the timeline a bit and the audience will have to play catch up.

 

So far Will and Riley are the only ones from their cluster who have met in person right? I wonder who's most likely to meet up next. Sun is of course stuck in prison, Capheus probably doesn't have the funds to travel. Would Wolfgang feel like he needs to get out of dodge after killing his uncle?

[Yokosmom]

I wonder who's most likely to meet up next.

 

Lito and Nomi?  They at least live in adjacent countries.

 

Would Wolfgang feel like he needs to get out of dodge after killing his uncle?

 

It would depend on whether his uncle answered to someone else.  If he wiped out his uncle along with the rest of his organization, he might not feel the need.  And he still needs to watch over Felix, at least until he recovers.  He talked about going to India, but after the whole "I'm a monster scene" it's unlikely that he'll go there now.

Really hope that Sun gets out of prison soon.  

 

I'm looking forward to finding out a bit more about Jonas's agenda.

[JillPole]

I think the cops are more pressing than any potential other gangsters. They will be investigating the multiple homicide in the middle of the street, and probably also the mass murder in his uncle's house. He needs to get out of town asap. He's wallowing in his manpain, so probably won't go to India, but he might go to Mexico. Or find Riley and Will to help them. Even if he doesn't know/care about them much yet as individuals and even if he's still blase about the larger sensate thing, a threat to them is a threat to Kala.

 

I'm doing a rewatch and also noticed that Sun's embezzlement plot is tied to pharmaceutical stock devaluation. It really seems as though next season will have a lot resting on Kala's company. Between Sun's plot, the fake drugs, and probably she will be called on to help find good drugs for Will for awhile. I wonder if she'd marry Rajan to gain more power and access to help everyone (and also because he's really nice and her not-even-quite-real boyfriend dumped her).

 

I haven't gotten to more of Jonas and Yrsa yet on my rewatch, but I'm wondering if eight isn't a requirement for every single cluster. I'll keep and ear out for if anyone says so specifically. I think it's pretty clear that Sara Patrell and Will were in a cluster together. Which means it's possible to be 'activated' twice. Someone who can be a member of many many clusters would be very powerful indeed. But whether it was just a cluster of Will and Sara, or if there were others in the cluster with them, we don't know. 

[ahisma]

Drugs have been a theme through the whole season. The place Angelica birthed the cluster was implied to be a shooting den. She had a drug kit (a la Will, to keep Whispers from being able to get a good view?). Our very first sight of Nomi, she was injecting her hormones, and later was drugged in the hospital. Riley was very caught up for a few episodes with that creepy guy designing drugs, that her friends wanted to steal. She later did recreational drugs with her dad and friends. The gangs Will was dealing with in Chicago were toking up, and it was implied that they dealt drugs. Daniella's abusive ex was in "import-export"—again, implying drug dealing.

I don't know how much any of it actually matches up directly, except that the Indian pharmaceutical company was overtly worried about counterfeit drugs, and that was the exact problem Capheus was facing. Possibly his mother's drugs come from Kala's company, although all pharma companies have that problem.

[missysays]

 

...I think it's pretty clear that Sara Patrell and Will were in a cluster together. Which means it's possible to be 'activated' twice. Someone who can be a member of many many clusters would be very powerful indeed. But whether it was just a cluster of Will and Sara, or if there were others in the cluster with them, we don't know. 

 

I'm not so sure that Sara and Will were in a cluster together. Couldn't he just have seen her in person before her disappearance? And then bc he's a fellow sensate then she could visit him both in life and after her death? They never really state this but I'm thinking that a sensate can only be in one cluster (where you can share your abilities) with one another.

 

But I agree with everything else that you said.

Edited August 11, 2015 by missysays

[Boundary]

I'd love to see our group investigate this drug thing which seems to directly tie in 3 of the sensates. I didn't even connect the dots until I came here.

 

I haven't gotten to more of Jonas and Yrsa yet on my rewatch, but I'm wondering if eight isn't a requirement for every single cluster. I'll keep and ear out for if anyone says so specifically. I think it's pretty clear that Sara Patrell and Will were in a cluster together. Which means it's possible to be 'activated' twice. Someone who can be a member of many many clusters would be very powerful indeed. But whether it was just a cluster of Will and Sara, or if there were others in the cluster with them, we don't know. 

 

 

Now that is an interesting thought. Something should be different enough about our cluster in order to justify us following them through this story. It's just the nature of storytelling, the Starks don't just exist on GOT to be killed off (well, not all of them anyway...) Anyhow, naturally it's our cluster that's going to take down Whispers' group and for that the talent mix should be potent enough for the challenges ahead. Having someone like Will, say, with an ability to belong to multiple clusters would be an interesting twist. Maybe Sara Patrell was the one with the ability.

 

Thinking about it more, how can Whispers be defeated and still remain a long term threat? Having Will permanently comatose is not practical/ideal but a threat is still needed to carry the series forward. Maybe a solution is already at hand:

 

I'm looking forward to finding out a bit more about Jonas's agenda.

 

 

Jonas seemed way too manipulative for a supposedly innocuous guide. He was obviously two timing Whispers but on some level he seemed to have his own agenda. Protecting our sensates, whilst betraying them somewhat, needs more explanation than we were given.

[JillPole]

 

I'm not so sure that Sara and Will were in a cluster together. Couldn't he just have seen her in person before her disappearance? And then bc he's a fellow sensate then she could visit him both in life and after her death?

That's true. I hadn't thought of that. If that's true, then it means a sensate doesn't need to be "activated" in order to do the visiting thing that Jonas and Whispers do. That might mean the visiting thing is possible since birth, and it's only the sharing that Angelica's whatever gave our cluster. If that's the case, then that's a different, but still pretty huge, addition to the mythology, instead of my previous assumption that people can be in multiple clusters at once. I mean, if that's the case, then Whispers might not even belong to a cluster at all. Like, his might not have been "born" yet.

[missysays]

... I mean, if that's the case, then Whispers might not even belong to a cluster at all. Like, his might not have been "born" yet.

 

Now that would be very interesting indeed! (Edited to add) I just re-watched that bit in WWNDD and am now wondering if Niles and Whispers were in a cluster together bc otherwise how could Whispers inhabit his body like that and use him to kill other people? Though we know next to nothing about him except that he's a sensate with the ability to visit others once he "sees" them. And how is Yrsa linked to Whispers? Are they just fellow sensates or did they work together? I don't think they're the right age to be in a cluster together. My impression is that Yrsa is older.

 

You know I was re-watching some of the eps and realized that recurring theme of the bad guys using a beautiful girl to lure the hero out so they can attack or hurt him. Capheus made a stop for a beautiful girl on the side of the street and she pulls back to reveal the group waiting to rob Capheus. And then of course there's poor Felix who was lured by a damsel in distress to the front door where he was then shot by Wolfgang's cousin. Beware!

Edited August 12, 2015 by missysays

[Athena]

Now that would be very interesting indeed! (Edited to add) I just re-watched that bit in WWNDD and am now wondering if Niles and Whispers were in a cluster together bc otherwise how could Whispers inhabit his body like that and use him to kill other people? Though we know next to nothing about him except that he's a sensate with the ability to visit others once he "sees" them. And how is Yrsa linked to Whispers? Are they just fellow sensates or did they work together? I don't think they're the right age to be in a cluster together. My impression is that Yrsa is older.

 

It's been established by Jonas that all sensates have the ability to visit once they make eye to eye to contact as Jonas explains. That he was why he went to see Nomi at the parade and later Will. Whispers as a sensate has this ability at least.

 

Ysra seems to be working for the Whispers crew, but as a double agent to help her own kind to learn more about their enemies. However, she's well hidden from Whispers since she told Riley to move away from Jonas and Co who were known to Whispers. This doesn't mean other people in her cluster haven't been a victim (they lost someone too) to Whispers. They may be in hiding. She's hiding in plain sight since she's worked a for the Whispers company.

 

As for Niles, I was wondering if whatever brain treatment Whispers' people did also allowed Whispers to control Niles. On the other hand, the brain surgery resulted in a lot of deaths which makes me think it's extremely experimental. They want to probe the brain of the sensates. I'm not sure if this means they also want to control it (probably) so I'm half and half on whether Niles and Whispers were in the same cluster. Yes, Niles could be controlled, but he was also a vegetable when Whispers didn't take control him.

[missysays]

It's been established by Jonas that all sensates have the ability to visit once they make eye to eye to contact as Jonas explains. That he was why he went to see Nomi at the parade and later Will. Whispers as a sensate has this ability at least.

 

Ysra seems to be working for the Whispers crew, but as a double agent to help her own kind to learn more about their enemies. However, she's well hidden from Whispers since she told Riley to move away from Jonas and Co who were known to Whispers. This doesn't mean other people in her cluster haven't been a victim (they lost someone too) to Whispers. They may be in hiding. She's hiding in plain sight since she's worked a for the Whispers company.

 

As for Niles, I was wondering if whatever brain treatment Whispers' people did also allowed Whispers to control Niles. On the other hand, the brain surgery resulted in a lot of deaths which makes me think it's extremely experimental. They want to probe the brain of the sensates. I'm not sure if this means they also want to control it (probably) so I'm half and half on whether Niles and Whispers were in the same cluster. Yes, Niles could be controlled, but he was also a vegetable when Whispers didn't take control him.

 

Yes, I knew that all sensates can "visit" each other once they've established an eye-to-eye connection. That's why Whispers could "visit" with Jonas and also Angelica but couldn't actually control them. Or else wouldn't he have stopped Angelica from killing herself? He actually controlled or inhabited Niles' body the way fellow cluster sensates would be if they were "sharing" the way that Sun could step in and inhabit Capheus' body for fights etc. Unless the brain surgery makes the sensate susceptible in a way that a non-lobotomized sensate wouldn't be.

Edited August 13, 2015 by missysays

[Unusual Suspect]

That's true. I hadn't thought of that. If that's true, then it means a sensate doesn't need to be "activated" in order to do the visiting thing that Jonas and Whispers do. That might mean the visiting thing is possible since birth, and it's only the sharing that Angelica's whatever gave our cluster. If that's the case, then that's a different, but still pretty huge, addition to the mythology, instead of my previous assumption that people can be in multiple clusters at once. I mean, if that's the case, then Whispers might not even belong to a cluster at all. Like, his might not have been "born" yet.

 

Jonas told Angelique that the cluster would be hunted whether she "birthed" it or not. So the implication is that Whispers was hunting both full Sensates and potential Sensates. 

[Boundary]

All sensates seemed to react very strongly to Whispers. To them once Whispers had eye contact, the only remedy was suicide. Pretty severe reaction, I'd say. Does that mean he's uniquely powerful or just a motivated rich guy?

[Boundary]

This is not overtly spoilery so I won't tag it but it's an interesting tidbit about next season from JMS:

 

AX: Besides our group of eight characters, with this new evolution, are there other clusters out there?

STRACZYNSKI: Yes, there are other clusters out there, and if there were to be a second season [the status of this is unknown at press time], we might be meeting them.

 

He's giving short answers but it's an interview worth checking out.

[Holmbo]

I'm unsure where season 2 will take the characters. Technically almost all of them could reasonably go somewhere else. Nomi and Neets should get out of SF, Wolfgang should get out of Berlin, Will and Riley are already of somewhere else. Capheus would probably prefer to stay to make sure his mom is alright but could leave if another sensate needs him to and helps support his mom with money and medicine. Lito's career as it was is probably ended and as been suggested he could possibly go to LA, if Hernando was ok with that. Sun and Kala are the only ones I feel are very tied to their place for now. Sun because she's locked up and even if she gets out would probably want to stay to deal with her brother. Kala because there's much more to her story I think which could possibly tie in to the evil organization (my subtitles called them OBB but I don't remember if it was the same in English).

On the other hand there is an advantage to having the characters stay in the same place since they have supporting characters already introduced there that they can use. And the characters have an history there, possibly things from the past that could be brought forward. Maybe Lito interacts with his family, Capheus tries to find his sister, Nomis mother might continue to cause trouble (what about her father? Was he dead?).

Edited August 21, 2015 by Holmbo

[Eegah]

One thing I definitely want from season 2 is more of the cluster physically meeting each other, and allowing the supporting characters to meet them. Neets especially would undoubtedly have a great reaction to meeting some of the people Nomi's been talking to.

Also, I'd love to see Will realize that the visiting connection goes both ways, and he can spy on Whispers or even just annoy the hell out of him.

[Helena Dax]

I think in season 2,  Hernando will find  Lito's flip-flop.

[Boundary]

I'd love to see Lito trying to come clean to Hernando and Daniela about sensates. I think she'd wholeheartedly embrace the weirdness but Hernando won't be thrilled, I think he'd just attribute it to an overactive imagination. 

[Helena Dax]

I'd love that too, although I think Lito has some easy ways to prove he's saying the truth, especially with people like Nomi or Kala, who have easy access to the Internet.

[Chaos Theory]

Season 1 was a 12 hour origin story. I am guessing season 2 will deal more with what bing a Sense8 actually means and the wider ramifications for them and their live interests/friends. Also more Whispers and the group he runs/works for.

[Holmbo]

I wonder what each character thinks of their connection. We've seen Will discussing it a lot with Jonas and trying to come to terms with it and it seems what he knows the other characters knows too. Which is why they are bite freaked out any longer about what is happening to them.

[Lady Calypso]

I love how season 1 just let the origin story play out and we got to see multiple interactions. I found that when they let the story play out through the characters, it allowed for a more natural-flowing season. They could have made the season more plot-oriented. We could have had Whispers be destroyed by the end of the season; instead, we had Whispers appear minimally but we know he'll be a major player in season 2. 

 

I don't mind if they have to shorten the number of locations the characters are located in, because I'm aware shooting on location had to have been expensive. Riley and Will are already in Iceland together, so they'll be stuck together for most of the season, which is fine. I mean, Riley might even find a way to get unconscious Will back to London, away from Iceland and its dangers. But how about the others? I can see Lito staying in Mexico for a bit until his secret comes out, then I could see him relocating to the U.S. It might be better if he does with Hernando and Daniela. Neets and Nomi, I think, have to move at this point. As much as San Francisco is good for them in terms of LGBT acceptance, they're in danger if they stay put. Having Nomi and Lito relocate to the same area, even if it does end up being Mexico City, is probably better. Wolfgang still has Felix, but I think if they do have Felix recover, they both could relocate somewhere. Whoever suggested that Wolfgang should relocate to Seoul has a good idea going. Someone should be in Seoul to help Sun get out of prison, or at least take care of her brother, and Wolfgang is the best person for the job. And now since him and Kala are on the outs right now, him helping Sun would be good.

 

I don't see Kala moving out of Mumbai, and same with Van Damme in Nairobi. Both of them still have their stories going and I think it would be bad to disrupt them. Kala still has her pharmaceutical job and her fiance, and Van Damme is still knee deep in the mobs. 

 

I'm just thinking about which characters either haven't met yet, or which ones have only had minimal interaction. I think it made sense for Riley/Will, and Wolfgang/Kala to have the most consistent interactions, but I'm hoping for more 'out there' pairings. Will has been the character with the most interactions with the others (I'm pretty sure he's interacted with almost everyone twice now). Actually, I'd actually like a list of who's interacted with who so far and how frequently. Lito only started visiting and sharing with the other sensates after Hernando broke up with him and Daniela was taken away; I think that was when he accepted that he was different and allowed himself to go visit the others more. I know he had that sex orgy and he displayed Sun's menstrual cycle, but I don't think it really started until more than halfway in the season. Kala started sharing just in the finale, and she basically only saw Wolfgang until the last two episodes. I think I'd love a Lito/Kala interaction, because I think they are more alike than I realize. Will, Riley, Sun and Van Damme have interacted frequently with others, mostly due to three of their skills, and it seems like Riley has good intuition and is more open to sensates. Nomi has had a good number of interactions, but I'd love to see more. 

 

I think, with Will pretty much in an unconscious state for however long it takes for them to find a way to destroy Whisper's communication with him (it would be a mistake to have him up and awake before then), that goes the one person who has been able to visit pretty much everybody. I think that exploring the other 'supporting' characters (I put supporting in quotations because I don't think they're truly supporting) will help make this a better ensemble show. A lot of season 1 had Will in a major role, followed by Riley (in my opinion). I think focusing on Sun and Kala more, as they are the most underused, and allowing more new interactions (more Lito/Nomi, for example; maybe Sun/Kala interactions, or Wolfgang/Sun) could make season 2 just as strong as the first.

 

I want Jonas to find a way to communicate and visit the other sensates. We've only seen him with Will and Riley (maybe Nomi? I can't remember) so seeing Jonas visit someone like Sun, or someone like Wolfgang, it could make for some interesting scenes. 

 

Finally, I don't want season 2 to lose what season 1 had: the heart and care of each character. We got to see so much of the characters, their lives and their stories that losing that for, let's say, focus on just Whispers or just the evil BPO (or whatever the acronym is) will take away from the speciality that season 1 possessed. Having each character have their own story helped a lot and although the Whispers storyline is important, I'd like to see it woven in just like it had been this past season. 

 

Oh, and more Jonas. He's mysterious and I like him.

[myril]

I want Jonas to find a way to communicate and visit the other sensates. We've only seen him with Will and Riley (maybe Nomi? I can't remember) so seeing Jonas visit someone like Sun, or someone like Wolfgang, it could make for some interesting scenes. 

 

Unless BPO has found some new freaky way (which I would hope not), Jonas would have to get face to face with the others before he could visit them in a sensate way. That the connection and visiting has certain limits is I think a good thing, for the characters as much as story telling wise. They will have to find other ways to stay in contact eventually. Riley had no direct contact to Jonas, he never visited her, there was only a kinda one sided conference call between Will and Riley, while Will was visited by Jonas and Riley by Yrsa. Jonas only had direct contact with Will, who for the moment is unconscious, and with Nomi.

[Holmbo]

I don't know if anyone visits this thread but I'll put this topic out anyways. I read a comment on IMDB about how the story was ruined by the whisperer and his people hunting the sensates. Because they had so much resources and connections  and it felt forced that the people managed to escape them.

I didn't think that when I was watching but the comment did make me reflect on what would the story would have been like without the main villain. If it was just 8 different stories which were affected by the characters sudden connection to each other? It would have been a bit more like the Washowski's movie Cloud Atlas, which tells several stories taking place at different times with the characters connected in different ways.

Lito's, Wolfgang's, Claudius, Sun's and Kala's story lines would have been the same (thought it could be that some of the plots in them are meant to tie into the main one next season). Will could have had some story involving him and the gang kid and his dad and that girl Sarah who I still don't really understand the point of. Riley's story could have been more of a psychological conflict of dealing with the loss of her husband and child. Nomis story is the only one that would be very different. Perhaps there could be something tied to her hacktivist past.

[ToxicUnicorn]

I don't know if anyone visits this thread but I'll put this topic out anyways. I read a comment on IMDB about how the story was ruined by the whisperer and his people hunting the sensates. Because they had so much resources and connections  and it felt forced that the people managed to escape them.

 

I didn't think that when I was watching but the comment did make me reflect on what would the story would have been like without the main villain. If it was just 8 different stories which were affected by the characters sudden connection to each other?

I am interested in how the villain story will play out, but there's a good chance I'll end up agreeing with the comment on IMDB.  I was pretty happy just watching our 8 figure out they were related to one another.  And I disliked Naveen Andrews' character on LOST so much that I'm not optimistic about whether I'll end up caring for anything Jonas does in this show.

 

I also thought the Matrix movies were great when the villain was/were only Mr. Smiths, and got pretty stupid when it turned into all out war, so I'm not too optimistic about how the Ws will handle the villain story. HOWEVER, the core cast of Sense8 are really quite mesmerizing.  I'm willing to go through quite a lot to watch "The Skinny Bitch" and the rest.

Edited February 13, 2016 by ToxicUnicorn

[Boundary]

I've been back and forth regarding the villain. On the plus side, it's because of Whispers that Will flew to Iceland and, together with Nomi, those interactions actually had a momentum and purpose. On the other hand, I can't help think that it was ham-fisted: it would have been better to hold off the baddie until the second season at least. I liked the pharmaceutical connection hint, possibly tying together Kala's employer, Sun's family business, and Capheus' mom's HIV drugs and maybe Riley's recreational drugs. I think following that template would have been better - as viewers we'd know there's a big bad coming in later seasons and that they already have their tentacles in our sensates' lives but the sensates themselves don't see this danger approaching. 

 

I'm also nervous about the villain story taking centre stage and even more nervous about future seasons when the conspiracy gets to involve governments and the sensate presence gets leaked to the media. At that point, it would be hard to avoid a generic story.

 

I think, with Will pretty much in an unconscious state for however long it takes for them to find a way to destroy Whisper's communication with him (it would be a mistake to have him up and awake before then), that goes the one person who has been able to visit pretty much everybody. 

 

 

Will's story has now put the writers in a bind. Will has to wake up to eat, no? And when he wakes up, Riley better have him in a nondescript room and not tell him exactly where it is. But after that, if Will gets to visit the others, does Whispers get to know where they are as well? Still, as you point out, it gives us room to see other connections. Based on that last shot, everyone now knows everyone else. I'd like to see more mundane visitations, without mortal danger or emotional emergency, just a random drop-by. 

[Holmbo]

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Boundary said:

I've been back and forth regarding the villain. On the plus side, it's because of Whispers that Will fleIceland and, together with Nomi, those interactions actitually had a momentum and purpose. On the other hand, I can't help think that it was ham-fisted: it would have been better to hold off the baddie until the second season at least. I liked the pharmaceutical connection hint, possibly tying together Kala's employer, Sun's family business, and Capheus' mom's HIV drugs and maybe Riley's recreational drugs. I think following that template would have been better - as viewers we'd know there's a big bad coming in later seasons and that they already have their tentacles in our sensates' lives but the sensates themselves don't see this danger approaching. 

I too like the theme of drugs in all of the stories and I hope they will all connect. I'm far from certain that they will though. I've never actually seen a tv-series where an overarching mystery ties together satisfyingly from several seasons. Most times tv doesn't seem to plan farther than that particular season.

 

 

Other than over there is it

[Holmbo]

Ignore that last part. This forum does not work well on smartphone. It doesn't let me delete words.

[sjohnson]

The unhealthy relationship between Will and Riley (savior/saved) shouldn't work well. 

Kala's lust for dirty sexy Max should wear out. She thinks she wants true love, i.e., Max, but Max knows she's kidding herself. I think he has some genuine feelings for her but he doesn't love her enough for a commitment to some who doesn't understand him at all. 

[Holmbo]

I hope that season 2 will go into new story lines for the different characters. So far from the first episode the only ones who kinda have a change from season 1 are Lito, Will and Riley. It will get old if season 2 have Sun in prison, Capheus fighting gangs, Nomi hiding in SF, Kala being torn about her marriage and Wolfgang dealing with fallout from his criminal acts. I hope all of the plots will evolve somehow but I don't know if it will happen.

[Acceleration]

On 2017-03-25 at 11:32 PM, Holmbo said:

I hope that season 2 will go into new story lines for the different characters. So far from the first episode the only ones who kinda have a change from season 1 are Lito, Will and Riley. It will get old if season 2 have Sun in prison, Capheus fighting gangs, Nomi hiding in SF, Kala being torn about her marriage and Wolfgang dealing with fallout from his criminal acts. I hope all of the plots will evolve somehow but I don't know if it will happen.

Based on the spoilerpics that have leaked, I would say that your wish? Definitely your command. 

Without saying anything about anything, things are going to change from where they were in the christmas special.

[Holmbo]

3 hours ago, Acceleration said:

Based on the spoilerpics that have leaked, I would say that your wish? Definitely your command. 

Without saying anything about anything, things are going to change from where they were in the christmas special.

Sounds good :) 

And thank's for not spoiling