S05.E12: Check-Up With Dr. Drew, Part 2

[GreatKazu]

So pissed. My DVR only recorded a few episodes and after shows of shit I missed. 

Set it up for the Unseen Moments episode that will air this week.

[Shelby]

In case you weren't aware, I was being a bit sarcastic there with my comments. I thought it was pretty obvious. Others clearly noticed.

I also noted in my comments that Farrah needed to be fully honest about her porn tape before she could go out and give speeches on anything about sex, porn, and related topics.

Thanks for the kind clarification, Splain. I sincerely appreciate the kind delivery of your msg, as it isn't always done that way.

Our favorite Green poster explained it to me too.

I'm a lifetime Accountant/Auditor by education and trade and sometimes I miss the humor in things that most people wouldn't.

[ghoulina]

I wonder where Simon really was for the reunion?  Farrah told Drew he was taking care of Sophia but Sophia showed up onstage at the end.  Hey, maybe Simon dropped her off as fled into the night?   But really, if he was even in town I find it difficult to believe he wouldn't want to be on camera - the guy seemed to be loving all the attention during the season.

 

I definitely think Simon was sniffing around for the cameras. Doesn't he have his own business? But maybe after that visit he reevaluated and decided the cons of not only being WITH Farrah, but being seen with her, outweighed the pros. 

Edited June 15, 2015 by ghoulina

[pakalolo]

There was a post not too long ago where Sophia was with Derek's dad and stepmom for something (Father's Day maybe?) and a photo was taken. I remember reading it and wondering if it was the first time Sophia had seen him since the time they appeared on Teen Mom.

Derek's sister kept bailing on Farrah regarding the test, and seemed to only show up to be on film, so Farrah may not have been the one to stop that contact. At a lunch, his sister said that she would take the paternity test because she thought that is what Derek would have wanted. Farrah asked her if he knew then, and she said that there were rumors she was pregnant and he assumed the baby was his. Farrah was already trying to recreate history, so I was surprised at the time that it was included.

Farrah did stop the contact with his mom, though. That woman hated Farrah and sold horrible, possibly true, stories to the tabloids about her. She told SSA that Derek didn't know about Sophia and it was used as part of the denial of the claim. She then sued Farrah for grandparent's rights. Farrah won in court. I always wondered if her anger was about the way Derek was portrayed on Teen Mom. I read the news report way back then, and it seems like he was driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, and his mom definitely seemed to partake.

One of the thing I like about this forum is that there are plenty of people that remember all of the awful datails that I have forgotten.

[Tatum]

 

Farrah did stop the contact with his mom, though. That woman hated Farrah and sold horrible, possibly true, stories to the tabloids about her. She told SSA that Derek didn't know about Sophia and it was used as part of the denial of the claim. She then sued Farrah for grandparent's rights. Farrah won in court. I always wondered if her anger was about the way Derek was portrayed on Teen Mom. I read the news report way back then, and it seems like he was driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, and his mom definitely seemed to partake.

 

Yeah, I got the impression that even without Derek's possible abuse issues or the fact that he knocked up her daughter, Deb felt that Derek's family was beneath hers and that Farrah was slumming by even associating with Derek.

 

Now, granted, a woman who has assaulted her own daughter on camera twice and came at cops while holding a knife doesn't have a whole lot of room to talk, but given what we know about Stormie Clark, I don't think she was the epitome of high class either. Regardless of Farrah's behavior, going to the tabloids was trashy, and suing Farrah for visitation rights seemed more about sticking it to Farrah than a genuine interest in Sophia (it seems to me that if you were really invested in seeing your grandchild, and you currently had NO rights, you might try the honey approach rather than the vinegar first. Stormie's lawsuit was completely without merit-legally speaking, not morally- and alienating someone that has all the leverage is rarely a smart idea).

 

While I do have some ethical issues with how Derek was portrayed on 16 and Pregnant, if Stormie was acting out because she felt the same way, she didn't do anything to make her family look better.

[EuropeanGirl]

It's like Amber is tired of people questioning her relationship with Matt. First of all, you're on TV and everything you shared it's not yours anymore and is available for comment from other people. Second of all, it's like everybody can see that he's fishy and not too open about himself except her. There's a reason why he rushed to live with her and got engaged to her that fast, so she should ask herself what are the reasons behind it. If it's a good thing that they have going on, it doesn't matter if you marry in 4 days or 4 years. There's no need to rush if you're 100% sure about it. Their relationship is very questionable because of him + them being both addicts, of course it will raise a lot of questions! She should get over it.

 

Farrah is just a horrible person. It's like she was surprised and appalled if Drew had dared to think she was rude to her parents! It was funny how he immediately changed the word once she thought he'd say rude.

 

As for him, I just think that not only does he not address all the things about these girls, but the ones he does, he does them very superficially. He goes from one subject from another and the results aren't effective at all. I'd rather have him talk about one thing but explore it 100%.

Edited June 15, 2015 by EuropeanGirl

[FairyDusted]

Set it up for the Unseen Moments episode that will air this week.

Thank you TGK! 

 

Just read Farrah gave Simon a pink slip;) With no redeeming qualities that I can see at least, Girl is in for a lonely life if she doesn't change her ATTITUDE!

[GreatKazu]

Like I mentioned before, Farrah needs a line of t-shirts that read "Lone Bird" on them. She will definitely be a lone bird because no one wants to deal with that cray-cray. If she does have someone that will commit to her, he may end up cheating on her just like her dad did to Deb.

 

I find it strange that Farrah is so angry at Deb yet, it was her father who cheated on her mother. You'd think Farrah would be angrier at Michael for breaking up the marriage.

[FairyDusted]

She disrespects him enough by calling him by his name almost always. And no matter how Deb tries to keep her hands and mouth to herself is never enough. Those Parental Crimes Laws run out soon Lone Bird. ™ TGK

[ghoulina]

I find it strange that Farrah is so angry at Deb yet, it was her father who cheated on her mother. You'd think Farrah would be angrier at Michael for breaking up the marriage.

 

I don't think Farrah really cares about the marriage being broken up. It hasn't really affected her, has it? They still a ton of shit together and watch Sophia. 

[Maharincess]

I disagree with having open talks with teens about porn and sex toys. I'll qualify that by saying I was raised in a strict home, and in a different generation. I don't think kids these days are scared of their parents. Parents care too much about being their kids' friends.

My mother never talked to me about sex, except once in high school when I told her a fellow student was pregnant. My mother told me if I ever got pregnant, she promised I would have an horrific accident which would lead to a miscarriage, and I believed her.

I'm thankful for how I was raised.

Talking to college kids about sex toys is unimaginable to me. But maybe I'm an old fuddy duddy.

I completely disagree. I talked often with my kids about sex and I never once thought I was their friend. I never had to have "the talk" with my kids because we talked about it openly and often. Its weird to me when parents are uncomfortable talking about it with their kids.

2 of my daughter's friend's moms asked me to give their kids the sex talk because they were too uncomfortable.

Kids need WAAAY more information than "don't do it" or I'll hurt you. That's awful, no wonder you were afraid of your parents.

I also disagree that kids should be afraid of their parents.

Edited June 25, 2015 by Maharincess

[Shelby]

I completely disagree. I talked often with my kids about sex and I never once thought I was their friend. I never had to have "the talk" with my kids because we talked about it openly and often. Its weird to me when parents are uncomfortable talking about it with their kids.

2 of my daughter's friend's moms asked me to give their kids the sex talk because they were too uncomfortable.

Kids need WAAAY more information than "don't do it" or I'll hurt you. That's awful, no wonder you were afraid of your parents.

I also disagree that kids should be afraid of their parents.

I stated that I disagreed with talking to teens about porn and sex toys, not sex.

Kids should know that there are consequences to bad behavior. I feel that many kids today are raised by parents who don't discipline their kids, and that kids know they can get away with anything. They don't fear these consequences, because there simply aren't any.

There have been so many examples of this on TM. I think many of us here can say with certainty that we would never get away with some of the behavior displayed on this show. Jenelle is a great example of this. Personally, I don't know one person whose parents would put up with all of her awful behavior (at any age, teen or adult), especially in their home. It's safe to say that Barb isn't a stellar parent.

[Maharincess]

I guess I just don't consider consensual sex to be "bad behavior". I don't agree with teaching kids that sex is bad behavior either.

[Tatum]

I guess I just don't consider consensual sex to be "bad behavior". I don't agree with teaching kids that sex is bad behavior either.

 

I agree. Although I do think it should be hammered into a kid's head that sex without protection is incredibly irresponsible and can have very serious consequences. But since no form of birth control is 100%, saying, don't get pregnant or I will hurt you sounds much the same as don't have sex or I will hurt you.

 

I have a young daughter, and I'd rather that she not have sex in high school. It has nothing to do with my concerns about her virtue (believe me, I am the last person that can judge in that regard), or even her safety, assuming she could be trusted to be responsible. I just don't want her to have regrets about decisions she made when she was 16 or 17 years old and didn't know better (even if no pregnancy or STD results, there can still be emotional consequences to having sex too early). I feel the best way to combat that is to talk openly about it with her (when it is time).

[MissMel]

I don't have a daughter so what I'm about to say may not apply to some families.

I've already posted the story about buying my son his first cup. It was insane. I'm a woman and mistakenly thought cups would be in the underwear section of Walmart, like training bras. But no, they aren't. I was in a bad place in my divorce and couldn't call the boys' dad to get advice so I called my male friend. (Now husband). "They're in the sports section". Ok. I went to the sports department and sure enough, wall of cups and straps. I had to call him back. I had no idea what I was doing.

Before we ended that call he told me to get a box of condoms, too. Why? The boy was 12. He needed a cup to wrestle and a mouth guard to protect his pretty teeth. Condoms? Didn't need those at the time. He said "the boys have tampons they don't need under the bathroom sink, so they can have condoms they don't need under there too."

He was right. The cabinet has tampons, pads, condoms, toilet paper, and towels now. It's all totally normal. Nobody has any health issues and I'm not a Grandmother. The kids are blind to the Sno-Bowl and Soft Scrub with bleach though.

[GreatKazu]

 

I stated that I disagreed with talking to teens about porn and sex toys, not sex.

 

I fail to see why you think kids should not be taught about porn.  If kids are not taught that porn exists, and if they are taught that it is "dirty" or "bad" they will get mixed messages about sex altogether. Kids need to be told that women in porn videos are not objects, but human beings. Kids need to learn that bodies in pornography are not always realistic and that most men and women don’t look like that. Kids need to know that the sexual behavior in such movies is not always the way it is in real life. It can be very unrealistic. Kids need to know it’s important to always look for consent from your partner. They need to be taught that consent is an “enthusiastic yes” rather just a lack of a “no,” and that an inebriated person cannot consent to sex. It was part of our sex talk on how to respect women. With easy access, porn is available to kids more so than when I was growing up. It appears to them even when they are not looking for it such as through spam email, ads on the internet or movies on cable.  Never assume your child has not been exposed to porn.  It is vital to make porn part of one's talk about sex to their children. Teenagers have a greater need for understanding what is real versus what is produced for entertainment. I saw porn for the first time when I was 7 years old when my best friend showed me her dad's porn magazines. Kids are likely to glance at or view porn way before their parent talks to them about sex.

 

 

Kids should know that there are consequences to bad behavior.

Sex is not bad behavior and should not be taught to kids that it is. Bad things can happen if kids are not taught about sex and all aspects about it. Children are curious and engage in a wide variety of sexual exploratory behaviors. It is important to talk to children about healthy boundaries.

 

I really think this show should ask the hard-core questions such as, "Did you ever have the sex talk with your parent(s)?" "How did you learn about sex?"

[lilmarysunshine]

I guess I just don't consider consensual sex to be "bad behavior". I don't agree with teaching kids that sex is bad behavior either.

I think this parenting discussion is beyond the scope of this thread. lol    But I'll just add I think it is bad behavior for teens who are not emotionally prepared for it or for families who hope kids will wait until marriage. (I don't know if my kids will or won't. I suspect they won't because most don't but high school sex, even "protected," is in the "bad" category in our family.). I am the mother of a high school girl and I also teach high school so I am *very* familiar with the habits of teens. (You would probably be shocked how much students tell their teachers.) I don't want her engaging in sexual behavior. (And we have talked about it. But it is still "bad" behavior to us.)  Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Edited June 29, 2015 by lilmarysunshine

[Darknight]

[ quote name=Shelby" post="1273763" timestamp="1435287470]

I stated that I disagreed with talking to teens about porn and sex toys, not sex.

Kids should know that there are consequences to bad behavior. I feel that many kids today are raised by parents who don't discipline their kids, and that kids know they can get away with anything. They don't fear these consequences, because there simply aren't any.

There have been so many examples of this on TM. I think many of us here can say with certainty that we would never get away with some of the behavior displayed on this show. Jenelle is a great example of this. Personally, I don't know one person whose parents would put up with all of her awful behavior (at any age, teen or adult), especially in their home. It's safe to say that Barb isn't a stellar parent.

What's wrong with talking to your kids about porn and sex toys? I would much

I stated that I disagreed with talking to teens about porn and sex toys, not sex.

Kids should know that there are consequences to bad behavior. I feel that many kids today are raised by parents who don't discipline their kids, and that kids know they can get away with anything. They don't fear these consequences, because there simply aren't any.

There have been so many examples of this on TM. I think many of us here can say with certainty that we would never get away with some of the behavior displayed on this show. Jenelle is a great example of this. Personally, I don't know one person whose parents would put up with all of her awful behavior (at any age, teen or adult), especially in their home. It's safe to say that Barb isn't a stellar parent.

What's wrong with teaching your kid about porn and sex toys?