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[KaveDweller]

If I were to hazard a guess, I think NBC's new show Blindspot in the competing time slot, and the massive promotional budget that went with it, affected Castle's ratings.  Blindspot's promotional budget must have been many times that of Castle's, and that made a difference.  Also, after a certain point, there's always going to be people who want to try something new and shiny over the same old.  It's human nature.  Throw in a naked lead actress covered in tattoos, you're always going to attract some eyeballs. ;)

 

I think you're right, I saw ads for Blindspot all the time and I don't really watch much on NBC. It's doing a lot better than whatever was on NBC last season (that Katharine Heigle show?) so I'm sure that played a part in the decline.

 

But some shows just have a shelf life. There's the rare show like Grey's Anatomy or ER that last 10+ years, but that's not the norm. Honestly, my favorite shows over the years all got cancelled before I wanted them too, which is probably why they stayed my favorites.  

[verdana]

First sneak, Hayley and Beckett go undercover at the ABC site.

 

Here's the youtube version.

 

I ♡ Stanathan || ‏@MoniCAskett47  15m15 minutes ago
I can't wait to watch this episode #Castle

 

Edited November 13, 2015 by verdana

[verdana]

Sneak Peek: Beckett & Hayley Go Undercover at ABC 

 

And here's the youtube version.

 

I ♡ Stanathan || ‏@MoniCAskett47  15m15 minutes ago
I can't wait to watch this episode #Castle

 

Edited November 13, 2015 by verdana

[CastleSeason8]

Wow, not even sure what to say about that SP. Hayley? No other cops available? I guess they r giving Stana her turn at comedy, but there was nothing there that made this already disgruntled fan want to watch.

[verdana]

When did he say that? I've been reading most of their interviews, and while they've said some dumb stuff I don't remember him saying something THAT dumb.

My bad, reading it again that was (very) poorly worded, what I should have said was based on a TPW quote (when he talks about how choosing to separate them opened up more interesting new avenues of storytelling) is they don't appear to have considered if the story was right for the characters and their history. He admits they considered several different options yet this was the one they considered gave them greater storytelling opportunities. But the choice they arrived at seemed at odds with where the characters were emotionally in the S7 finale plus it's already been proven that Castle and Beckett being kept apart for whatever reason does not work as a premise, the whole foundation of the show is based on them fighting crime together, TPW of all people should know that he's been on Castle since the start, I'm surprised he of all people would say that. 

Castle ‏@Castle_ABC  10m10 minutes ago

#Castle's got big plans to surprise Beckett on their one-year anniversary.

https://twitter.com/Castle_ABC/status/664972953533161472

Castle ‏@Castle_ABC  Nov 11

These two crime-fighting ladies are our #wcw.

https://twitter.com/Castle_ABC/status/664613087740342272

By the looks of quite a few of those comments, many fans would rather it was Castle and Beckett together or even Lanie/Beckett.

Edited November 13, 2015 by verdana

[Thak]

 

Wow, not even sure what to say about that SP. Hayley? No other cops available?

 

Not a fan of the Hayley character, but I always like it when we get to see Beckett interacting with other women.  Wish there were other female detectives  in the precinct, would have loved to see Karpowski go undercover with Beckett.  Oh well, will definitely watch this one.

[TWP]

Between this and the divorce promo, I've formulated a new theory.

Someone overhears Beckett talking at the spa about boredom with her husband -- who they know is Castle -- and goes to the press with the (warped) story. Castle reads the story on Page 6 and concludes that the split is really about boredom. He decides to file for divorce. Beckett, who has hidden cameras set up at Rick's office to "protect" him, watches the conversation between Castle and the divorce attorney (which explains the attorney on monitor and sad puppy Beckett) and panics. She goes to Castle's loft to fess up to the whole nightmare. They reconcile secretly, and they begin together to solve the whole nasty, junky, case.

The reconciliation doesn't happen at the winter finale. It happens in the episode before it.

 

Update: Ha, ha. There's me again, wishful thinking and trying to turn this into a tolerable show.

Or, alternate explanation, the showrunners hate the fans. Ok, I'll admit, this option is more plausible ;-).

Edited November 13, 2015 by TWP

[verdana]

Do you remember when we were pointing out that we wanted more scenes of them being close and intimate and flirty and sexy without being interrupted by dogs, and everyone, including the showrunners, accused us of just wanting them to have sex on every flat surface? This reminds me of that.

 

No, we don't want unicorns. We want good, organic storytelling. Give me a GOOD reason why you had a character backslide five seasons, and I'll go there with you. 

Yeah, it's annoying because that's clearly not what's being said by those who take issue with the lack of heat and romantic interactions, it's as if they're making a point of deliberately choosing to misunderstand. Is it really too much to ask for decent kisses in good lighting, no interruptions etc? The show does go out at 10 p.m. after all not 8 p.m.

 

I doubt the writers will ever manage to give me a good enough reason why Beckett has regressed in the way she has.

Not a fan of the Hayley character, but I always like it when we get to see Beckett interacting with other women.  Wish there were other female detectives  in the precinct, would have loved to see Karpowski go undercover with Beckett.  Oh well, will definitely watch this one.

Surely there must be some other women floating around, I found it weird that both of them go undercover, Hayley isn't even a cop but especially Beckett given she's captain and is well known in her own right. 

Edited November 13, 2015 by verdana

[FlickerToAFlame]

The showrunners obviously don't have faith in Tamala as the friend anymore. I don't think she's the greatest actress either, but if they wanted to give her more to do they would have already.

[VinceW]

Between this and the divorce promo, I've formulated a new theory.

Someone overhears Beckett talking at the spa about boredom with her husband -- who they know is Castle -- and goes to the press with the (warped) story. Castle reads the story on Page 6 and concludes that the split is really about boredom. He decides to file for divorce. Beckett, who has hidden cameras set up at Rick's office to "protect" him, watches the conversation between Castle and the divorce attorney (which explains the attorney on monitor and sad puppy Beckett) and panics. She goes to Castle's loft to fess up to the whole nightmare. They reconcile secretly, and they begin together to solve the whole nasty, junky, case.

The reconciliation doesn't happen at the winter finale. It happens in the episode before it.

Or, alternate explanation, the show runners hate the fans. OK, I'll admit, this option is more plausible ;-).

The promo is very misleading for sure. I think the divorce promo is Beckett looking at an evidence video. Recall the "Limelight" promo with Beckett shown on the couch with Castle asking him if she should be worried about their engagement.  However, the video suggests a very poor decision on ABC marketing to put something like that in a promo which can be easily taken out of context and could further hurt the ratings. 

[AntiBeeSpray]

 

Oh I agree what they're showing of these two and their behaviour doesn't help magnify chemistry, it's such a difficult thing to pin down though, that intrinsic connection between two actors is something magical and not easy to explain and yet it can still find a way to percolate through. But to see it being squashed by crappy storytelling is incredibly disheartening because it's right there ready to be used and these writers are throwing it away. Sigh 

 

I have no problem with characters enduring bad times and going through some kind of conflict because that's real life but it has to feel organic. I don't need it to be rainbows and unicorns which is an accusation I've seen fans make towards those critical of this story but they're missing the point. What many fans are upset about with this separation is the conflict they're seeing feels contrived and silly and I can't get invested in that.  

 

Since when is having a difference of opinion mean you deserve to be abused and/or ridiculed?  Fans should be able to accept reading criticism or praise of their show without resorting to insulting the person giving it. You don't agree with an individual's opinion that's fine but be respectful if you choose to engage with them in a discussion about it. There's a huge difference between responsible criticism and blind hate/attacks. I have no problem with the former and disgust and embarrassment for the latter.

 

Very well put! I hate when shows do that. Squander what's so good about them.

I agree, but I was also referring to the Tweet from Nathan above about how he's received hateful tweets. I believe that those people undermine those of us making valid and constructive points that are not based in hate but in love for a show we see as being taken over by people who have no idea what they're doing. 

 

 

Do you remember when we were pointing out that we wanted more scenes of them being close and intimate and flirty and sexy without being interrupted by dogs, and everyone, including the showrunners, accused us of just wanting them to have sex on every flat surface? This reminds me of that.

 

No, we don't want unicorns. We want good, organic storytelling. Give me a GOOD reason why you had a character backslide five seasons, and I'll go there with you. 

 

Very well put. Exactly. And there's nothing wrong with disliking a story line that isn't that. Regardless if it has to do with the main characters or not.

[verdana]

The showrunners obviously don't have faith in Tamala as the friend anymore. I don't think she's the greatest actress either, but if they wanted to give her more to do they would have already.

Yeah true Tamala is kind of limited as an actress but I still feel sorry for her, she must be one of the most underutilised actresses on any TV show that's down as a regular lol.  I also don't see any great chemistry between Katic and Toks, they're okay together but it's nothing special. I'd prefer them to develop the existing cast I have an investment in and a history that could be easily mined than someone new who adds nothing. 

 

SweetTooth. The Angela/Brennan friendship works, they appear to be genuinely great friends unlike Beckett/Lanie. Bones has it's faults but they do a good job with their ensemble cast and developing their relationships so that I believe in them. Sadly they've dropped the ball entirely with Beckett and Lanie, very few fans believe in their "friendship" it's been so woefully ignored which is a pity as Beckett has so few people to confide in but Beckett seems uninterested in her. She's a long standing work colleague nothing more. Sigh

Edited November 13, 2015 by verdana

[verdana]

However, the video suggests a very poor decision on ABC marketing to put something like that in a promo which can be easily taken out of context and could further hurt the ratings.

Yet another poor decision amongst a whole host of other crappy decisions they're making this season when it comes to this show and I don't just mean the marketing department. It's one eye roll worthy moment after another when I see what they're doing to try and engender "excitement" and "fun" which usually ends up having the exact opposite effect on their audience. I can partly understand the fan hysteria at times which some pour scorn on because just when I think they can't put their foot in it any further and dig themselves into a deeper hole they manage to prove me wrong. Sigh Edited November 13, 2015 by verdana

[femmefan1946]

Karpowski was memorable in  teeny tiny part way back when. Or the pretty young cop who was a part time superhero?

 

I haven't any reason to watch Blindspot, but wouldn't it be easier just to photograph all her tattoos and then send the poor girl off for treatment of her amnesia? Silly premise.

And I faithfully watch Orphan Black and SHIELD.

[TWP]

Shoot, I clearly forgot the haha in my post. I'm going to go edit it after this.

 

I totally understand that the divorce scene was likely the viewing of evidence. But I was trying to make it into something that would turn out right, instead of what it really is which is more dragging out of the ridiculous, while giving Beckett little tidbits to make her "think". As it stands, the promo teases something tedious, boring and even somewhat mean-spirited to fans.

 

Between the showrunners and ABC promos, people affiliated with Castle TV show have very little respect for their fans lately. They clearly don't like us and want us to ride off into the sunset so they are free to make any show they want. Chuckle. I'm starting to think they really believe that they can do a show without us. They are certainly making a product that relatively few people want to buy. Juding by the lies and nastygrams they send us via their last two week's promos (eg Beckett tease, divorce tease), they apparently are actively trying to drive people away.

[readster]

Yeah, it does come off as the entire Castle crew wants to give us all a middle finger. Even worst, its like they are purposely trying to get the show cancelled because I can guarantee you this will cause more fans to walk off in droves. These new show runners don't want to do a show called Castle that is has an established formula and proven what works and what doesn't. No, they want to do a show about contrived plots, bad spy stories and characters that don't resemble established and people with brains. No, they want people who act like morons and plots that make no sense. But they know better than us.

[TWP]

I have a feeling Nathan's tweet is mostly about the hateful tweets his girlfriend seems to be getting.

I found his tweet amusingly ironic. This, from a guy who can't bring himself to mention his co-star's character without deliberately mis-spelling her name "BeckettE". Passive aggressive and unprofessional? Don't know, sure seems like it. Hateful? Yes, at least toward fans who want to think these two are something more than mortal enemies.

His other tweet is right, of course, even if he doesn't completely practice what he preaches. People shouldn't send hate tweets to anyone, definitely not to Nathan's girlfriends, who seem like very nice people.

I would also never condone repackaging validly critical tweets as hate, as some public personas have done. It has come to the point that anyone who attempts to put a different bend or constructive thought pattern alteration onto someone's carefully barricaded viewpoint is a "hater". That word has got to go from the English language. It is an attempt to shut down real debate.

Edited November 13, 2015 by TWP

[TWP]

Karpowski was memorable in  teeny tiny part way back when. Or the pretty young cop who was a part time superhero?

 

I haven't any reason to watch Blindspot, but wouldn't it be easier just to photograph all her tattoos and then send the poor girl off for treatment of her amnesia? Silly premise.

And I faithfully watch Orphan Black and SHIELD.

Most TV shows are pure fantasy. Also, with Blindspot, if you realize that the only valid explanation for all the forethought regarding the tattoos is that the players are from the future, you realize how fantasical it is. It's actually scifi!

For the most part, I have no problem with implausible premises, unless they are annoying like the Castle Beckett breakup arc. If you check reality at the door, implausibilities are typically amusing. If I watch anything real-time these days, it's Blindspot (used to be Castle). It's definitely decent TV for me, other than the shooter up scenes.

[TWP]

Yeah, it does come off as the entire Castle crew wants to give us all a middle finger. Even worst, its like they are purposely trying to get the show cancelled because I can guarantee you this will cause more fans to walk off in droves. These new show runners don't want to do a show called Castle that is has an established formula and proven what works and what doesn't. No, they want to do a show about contrived plots, bad spy stories and characters that don't resemble established and people with brains. No, they want people who act like morons and plots that make no sense. But they know better than us.

And if we decide that their choices are not for us, they want to blame us, instead of themselves. Commercial viability, that's the key. Someone said you don't have to watch Castle very often to know what's going on. It reminded me of my college days, when I could stay on top of my soaps by watching them on school breaks. There's a reason why the angsty, stupid, long drawn out daytime drama genre has all but died. It's out of style, because we now have other choices. Well we old fogies don't have many choices ;-).... but mine will be to stop watching in December, record the TNT reruns on my Windows media center PC when they air someday, then choose some rainy day to binge watch and fast forward all the stupid angst.

It's down to boredom now.

Edited November 13, 2015 by TWP

[pepper]

 

I haven't any reason to watch Blindspot, but wouldn't it be easier just to photograph all her tattoos and then send the poor girl off for treatment of her amnesia? Silly premise.

As someone who watches Blindspot and finds it superior to this iteration of Castle in every way possible, I feel compelled to point out that having someone who is a trained soldier, invested in resolving the riddles on her body and has recovered memories due to the investigation, not simply photographed and released makes sense. In context. In the pilot, she was photographed and there was tension around whether she should have a role in the ongoing investigation(s). But, I guess what it boils down to is that most shows are somewhat more than the premise upon which they're based - however silly. 

 

In fact, I got exactly the same criticism about Castle when I told people I was hooked on it. They couldn't imagine there was enough substance to keep a thinking person watching. I mean, at what point does one get bored by the world's longest ride-along? And which PD allows people who are romantically involved to work together? Just silly... But for a few years it really worked! 

 

But now Blindspot is eating its lunch and from where I'm sitting, that is as it should be. 

[break21]

Blindspot is in it's first year - I'm getting bored already.

 

Castle made it to 8 - when Blindspot makes it there - talk to me.  It's fading- bad - in Year 1.  No Nathan to carry it to 2.

 

Just my opinion.

[pepper]

The premise of Blindspot does not lend itself to 8 years, I don't think. But is longevity really the measure of quality - or silliness - in a television show?

 

Because Nathan didn't manage to carry Firefly to year 2... 

[break21]

Oh, don't get me started on Firefly:)

 

Blindspot is, at most, a 2 year show.  It is ridiculous to compare it to Castle.

[TWP]

Yes, in no universe would a Mentalist or a writer get to ride along on investigations, sit in on -- and participate in! -- interrogations and all of the things Castle is allowed to do at the 12th precinct. 

 

I think any TV series can go beyond its first year if the story moves.  If it stagnates, then no.  Right now, Castle is stagnating in a bad contrivance, rather than a fun (<-sorry) one that could progress a story.

 

I was in no way saying Blindspot was superior to Castle in general, only that right now, it is, for me.  YMMV

Oh, don't get me started on Firefly:)

 

Blindspot is, at most, a 2 year show.  It is ridiculous to compare it to Castle.

 

I don't think it's ridiculous at all to compare 2 shows that are fighting in the same timeslot.  I wasn't comparing them in terms of genre, only in terms of entertainment value.  Right now Blindspot has a mystery going on.  At the moment, the only great mystery in Castle for me is "what the hell are the showrunners thinking?"  That is a mystery I'm not sure I'll ever solve..

 

I still have people saying to me, "What? Castle is still on?"  People have all kinds of opinions about the merits and longevity of a TV show.

Edited November 13, 2015 by TWP

[westwingfan]

Yes, in no universe would a Mentalist or a writer get to ride along on investigations, sit in on -- and participate in! -- interrogations and all of the things Castle is allowed to do at the 12th precinct. 

 

I think any TV series can go beyond its first year if the story moves.  If it stagnates, then no.  Right now, Castle is stagnating in a bad contrivance, rather than a fun (<-sorry) one that could progress a story.

 

I was in no way saying Blindspot was superior to Castle in general, only that right now, it is, for me.  YMMV

I was comparing 2 shows because they are in the same timeslot. 

I don't think it's ridiculous at all to compare 2 shows that are fighting in the same timeslot.

 

I still have people saying to me, "What? Castle is still on?"  People have all kinds of opinions about the merits and longevity of a TV show.

Well you could make a case that Castle has ended and been replaced in its time slot by an impostor that bears little resemblance to the show that was so successful for five seasons. When you watch episodes from earlier seasons now the current fare is virtually unrecognisable, except its characters have the same names.

[TWP]

Well you could make a case that Castle has ended and been replaced in its time slot by an impostor that bears little resemblance to the show that was so successful for five seasons. When you watch episodes from earlier seasons now the current fare is virtually unrecognisable, except its characters have the same names.

I felt that way after Season 5 started, while watching Seasons 1-3.  For 3 seasons, it was an amusing, snappy, fun, satisfying show to watch (for me).  It was annoying in Season 4 to the point that I didn't even watch Always until husband clued me in. At that point, I thought, finally, a great love story on TV -- because I expected the good show to come back!  Then Season 5 and the stupid kissus interruptus was the beginning of the stupidest "love story" ever (for me).  The rest is history.

 

Last night I watched NCIS-LA and said, "they have better love scenes on this show than they ever did on Castle!"  My husband said, yeah, because they don't really have convincing love scenes ever on Castle.  And that's about right.

Edited November 13, 2015 by TWP

[FlickerToAFlame]

That's what hurts me the most, that we never got to see the full potential of this loving relationship in seasons 5-7 before they were broken up in season 8. Had MilMar not been complete prudes and actually showed us how two deeply in love people act, a break from that right now wouldn't be so bad. But as it is, we've been jerked around the entire time with very little payoff.

[verdana]

I totally understand that the divorce scene was likely the viewing of evidence. But I was trying to make it into something that would turn out right, instead of what it really is which is more dragging out of the ridiculous, while giving Beckett little tidbits to make her "think". As it stands, the promo teases something tedious, boring and even somewhat mean-spirited to fans.

Given the subject matter I can see them playing the sympathy card again with Beckett, they'll be the odd pained look and a furrowed brow (not too much don't want to ruin all the fun they're everyone is having) as she contemplates the state of her marriage as the case unfolds, naturally she won't take any action but for the writers it will be good enough. Meanwhile Castle will have forgotten completely about Slaughter's advice (about not asking for permission and doing his own investigating) and he'll be wrapped up in organising a surprise anniversary celebration like any husband with a wife who has walked out on their marriage would naturally do. If they want to turn the screw some more they'll have Beckett looking as if she's about to say something important to Castle and they'll get interrupted, that's another week treading water and sets them up nicely for the Locksat heavy fall finale. 

[westwingfan]

Given the subject matter I can see them playing the sympathy card again with Beckett, they'll be the odd pained look and a furrowed brow (not too much don't want to ruin all the fun they're everyone is having) as she contemplates the state of her marriage as the case unfolds, naturally she won't take any action but for the writers it will be good enough. Meanwhile Castle will have forgotten completely about Slaughter's advice (about not asking for permission and doing his own investigating) and he'll be wrapped up in organising a surprise anniversary celebration like any husband with a wife who has walked out on their marriage would naturally do. If they want to turn the screw some more they'll have Beckett looking as if she's about to say something important to Castle and they'll get interrupted, that's another week treading water and sets them up nicely for the Locksat heavy fall finale. 

Well Vikram seems to turn up in Beckett's office when the banner is on display so he could be the interrruption, with the likelihood that she goes off again to follow her case, leaving a deflated Castle alone in her office with all the trappings of his failed anniversary celebrations as a reminder of his sad situation.

[371012]

24-7 fun, all the time!

[CastleSeason8]

Can someone explain to me the point writers are trying to make when in every episode so far we are being reminded, and they're not being very subtle, that everyone knows C & B are married? Why?

[TWP]

Well Vikram seems to turn up in Beckett's office when the banner is on display so he could be the interruption, with the likelihood that she goes off again to follow her case, leaving a deflated Castle alone in her office with all the trappings of his failed anniversary celebrations as a reminder of his sad situation.

 

The shot of Castle with the remote controlled confetti rain probably happens right after Beckett and Vikram leave.

Can someone explain to me the point writers are trying to make when in every episode so far we are being reminded, and they're not being very subtle, that everyone knows C & B are married? Why?

Because in their tiny bubble located in their very highest ivory tower in the sky, they actually thought that the "they're married" anvil would be enough for fans to stick with the story.....Obviously from their viewpoint, they only saw us as what they thought we were, not as what we actually are.

Edited November 13, 2015 by TWP

[TWP]

That's what hurts me the most, that we never got to see the full potential of this loving relationship in seasons 5-7 before they were broken up in season 8. Had MilMar not been complete prudes and actually showed us how two deeply in love people act, a break from that right now wouldn't be so bad. But as it is, we've been jerked around the entire time with very little payoff.

Every single love scene has been weird for me, even Always.  And I'm not talking about sex, I'm talking about truly touching moments.  And yep, few of the the tiny things other shows have done were done on Castle.  Dating, satisfying milestones, etc. all neglected, every single one.   I know they believed that you shouldn't ever give fans what they want, but other shows have done so. Imagine how successful Castle the TV show would have been if more of the high notes had been hit...even the wedding.  Why not get them married in a really touching way and THEN have Castle disappear?  I think the audience would have been much more receptive to that than to the nonsense they pulled.

 

And then, rather than cleaning up after their mistakes, they leave even larger mistakes in the wake.

Edited November 13, 2015 by TWP

[CastleSeason8]

The shot of Castle with the remote controlled confetti rain probably happens right after Beckett and Vikram leave.

Because in their tiny bubble located in their very highest ivory tower in the sky, they actually thought that the "they're married" anvil would be enough for fans to stick with the story.....Obviously from their viewpoint, they only saw us as what they thought we were, not as what we actually are.

Ah yes, i keep forgetting the IQ level they believe fans have. Thx

[Gant]

Yeah true Tamala is kind of limited as an actress but I still feel sorry for her, she must be one of the most underutilised actresses on any TV show that's down as a regular lol.

 

 

Agreed. Frankly I've always been critical of Tamala Jones, because more often than not she looked/sounded super fake and "actor-like" to me, especially in emotional scenes. But for a regular who's been on the show from the start her "character's journey" is a travesty, even for such a mindlessly character-twisting show as Castle. There was never any history, continuity or motivation behind Lanie (after the first couple of seasons), and her one-sided "friendship" with Beckett is a joke. I feel like she's always given the crappiest lines, let's not forget all the "lividity" exposition, the least justified, most contrived reactions (her always "helpful" advices to Beckett), and now she is just thrown under the bus and forgotten completely because there are newcomers on the show. No hope in sight. At least about other characters you can say that they're OOC, Lanie was never even given the chance to be a C.

 

I found his tweet amusingly ironic. This, from a guy who can't bring himself to mention his co-star's character without deliberately mis-spelling her name "BeckettE". Passive aggressive and unprofessional? Don't know, sure seems like it. Hateful? Yes, at least toward fans who want to think these two are something more than mortal enemies.

 

He also misspelled "Castle" a number of times, as recent as this Monday. Hateful self-sabotage? The thick plottens :)

[TWP]

 

He also misspelled "Castle" a number of times, as recent as this Monday. Hateful self-sabotage? The thick plottens :)

 

Yeah, Nathan has rarely impressed me with his Twitter respect for his bread and butter TV show, and consequently for its fans.  Fans have been frustrated many times for how much he neglects and case in point above, disrespects, Castle.

 

Update: Also, if he and Katic appeared to have a decent relationship, the mis-spelling of Beckett would seem like ribbing.  But as it stands, he rarely mentions the character and when he does, he mis-spells the name. It comes across as a bit of a passive-aggressive thing.

 

Me, I get that he wishes Castle was Firefly.  Actually, I do too.  I really liked that show.  And maybe if someone else had been cast for Castle, it may well have gone better.

Edited November 13, 2015 by TWP

[verdana]

stana-katic @Stana_Katic: TBT: w/superdawg btwn scenes on #Castle. Guess which ep? The evidence is peeking out @ u. #HeAGangsta

https://twitter.com/Stana_Katic/status/665067357501390848

 

 

Her dog looks adorable, we had a German Shepherd they're so loyal great guard dogs, no one comes near you with one of those. It's that dress from the 70's episode Alberta Ferretti if I'm not mistaken. 

Edited November 13, 2015 by verdana

[Cyranetta]

 

For the most part, I have no problem with implausible premises, unless they are annoying like the Castle Beckett breakup arc.

I think people tend to accept implausible premises of circumstance, but have a harder time accepting implausible premises of psychology (well, at least I do -- shouldn't generalize). Plausible psychological premises can ease one past the rough spots of circumstantial improbability, but plausible circumstances don't really help implausible psychological premises, probably because psychological plausibility "hits closer to home."

[madmaverick]

Yeah, Nathan has rarely impressed me with his Twitter respect for his bread and butter TV show, and consequently for its fans.  Fans have been frustrated many times for how much he neglects and case in point above, disrespects, Castle.

 

And yet he is the one who has probably done the most live tweets by far over the course of the series.  The one to tweet reassurance to fans about the show's future at the end of last season.  The one to respond to fans in the wake of the shocking 623 non wedding.  Someone did a twitter speech bubble for Nathan and Stana a while ago and "Castle" was featured prominently for both.  I'm not sure but I think it was even bigger for Nathan than it was for Stana.  Not that it's a competition at all, but just pointing out double standards.  Credit should be given when it's deserved.

 

So he's not a shipper king as some fans might want him to be.  Doesn't mean he doesn't care about the show or the story or the fans.

 

Only Nathan can explain his own typos (but should anyone have to explain their own typos?!) but to describe a typo as being hateful to fans is a bit much in my opinion.  Especially when he seems to consistently be the cast member to make an effort to meet Castle fans on location.  Fans make mountains out of molehills, get offended by the strangest things, and can be terribly unforgiving.  I still remember the absurd reaction to the pic Susan posted of her with Nathan and Molly on a scooter and some description about family, and people getting offended on Beckett/Stana's behalf when I highly doubt she herself would be.  Nathan and Stana have tweeted about each other in the past, though it's become a rarity for both.  Every time they did it led to excessive excitement in the fandom and intense speculation about their personal relationship.  Maybe they just wanted to avoid all that drama on their timeline. ;)  They're obligated to sell a lovefest on screen; no one's obligated to sell a lovefest for fans offscreen, especially when it can get out of hand.

Edited November 13, 2015 by madmaverick

[madmaverick]

I liked the sneak peek for The Last Seduction.  Looking forward to what Hanning can deliver.  Hopefully some real seduction, though my expectations are well in check.  Nice to see Stana get to play some comedy for a change.  Beckett in that scene actually reminded me a bit of Castle with her expressions as she tried to wiggle her way into her cover and the slapsticky bit at the end.

 

I like Hayley and think Toks' is doing a pretty decent job for a character who doesn't seem to have a huge purpose but to snark.  But her snark is fun and injects some energy into scenes.  Which already makes her far more interesting to me than Tory ever was (who also served no purpose but exposition that could have been done by other characters).  Or even Lanie, because Lanie never gets the sassy, fun lines anymore, or be the one to smack some sense into Beckett.

[break21]

Nathan is the cast member who live-tweets the show,,does interviews, meets fans on location.  Yet, he gets the most hate. It is ridiculous. Katic does nothing but pick up a pay-check lately.

[Thak]

I have an opinion on this too..... but....slippery slope.... mud pit ahead.

Edited November 14, 2015 by Thak

[TWP]

Her dog looks adorable, we had a German Shepherd they're so loyal great guard dogs, no one comes near you with one of those. It's that dress from the 70's episode Alberta Ferretti if I'm not mistaken.

Superdawg is a sweet, happy looking guy/gal. Clearly loves his/her mom-Stana. Very endearing. Edited November 14, 2015 by TWP

[Chado]

Nathan is the cast member who live-tweets the show,,does interviews, meets fans on location.  Yet, he gets the most hate. It is ridiculous. Katic does nothing but pick up a pay-check lately.

Exactly. He is actually interacting with the product, with season 8. He's spoken about it in interviews, he's done live tweeting. What has Stana done for season 8 exactly?

 

Still waiting on an interview from her, TVLine mentioned they'd get one from her, still hasn't happened. Has she live tweeted? spoken about season 8? Please show me where that has happened, I must of missed it.

 

Hate the guy all you want, but he's always out there (which makes him an easy target), but at least he's visible, at least he is talking about the show.

 

I'm amazed Admins have let this go on for as long as it has, you guys only stop the conversation when I'm directly involved? ;)

[WendyCR72]

I'm amazed Admins have let this go on for as long as it has, you guys only stop the conversation when I'm directly involved? ;)

 

It hasn't been addressed because there is no need as of now. It goes around and around and around on an average day. And as long as you all are not eating each other alive and are being respectful, which seems to be the case here, we are monitoring.

 

And hope it will die on its own.

[FlickerToAFlame]

Tweets from Stana this week:

@Stana_Katic: TBT: w/superdawg btwn scenes on #Castle. Guess which ep? The evidence is peeking out @ u. #HeAGangsta https://t.co/5rtL1ImjXx

@Stana_Katic: And, while I'm at it: THANK YOU for putting all of us at #Castle on the #PCA2016 nom list. https://t.co/xPs100SDo8

[Chado]

You realize none of those are about season 8 right? It's season 8 where she has been dead quiet, doesn't seem interested in talking about it.

Edited November 14, 2015 by Chado

[FlickerToAFlame]

Oh, I didn't realize you meant this season. A couple recent tweets:

@Stana_Katic: Quote of the day from set: "Kris, you can relax. We're going to be inside of you & over her & onto him."

@Stana_Katic: I feel u, Liz. Sitting in the hair chair. #DaysAtWork #Castle #GonnaBeALateOne https://t.co/LqhOcBK3ED

@Stana_Katic: Back in the trenches.

#JetLag

[Chado]

That's not what I'm talking about. Her character is the sole reason this separation is happening, where are the season 8 interviews? where is her talking about the episodes?

 

Her banter with guest stars, isn't talking about season 8.

[KaveDweller]

Maybe she knows how stupid the breakup storyline is and doesn't want to sound like an idiot defending it?

 

I mean, her interviews this season are definitely less than past seasons, which is a shame because I'd actually be really curious to hear what she has to say. But Nathan's only given one or two interviews about this season, and wasn't that because he was at an event for some other project? It's not a contest, but I'm just saying it's obvious that Castle's become less of a priority for both of them.  They do both seem to respect and be grateful for fans.

Edited November 14, 2015 by KaveDweller