Star Wars Rebels - General Discussion

[Maximum Taco]

15 hours ago, DarkRaichu said:

Oh the Forms. I used to remember what each does thanks to playing Knights of the Old Republic 2 :D

Form III (Soresu, the Way of the Mynock), is usually Obi-Wan's chosen form. It favors defensively minded duelists. A true Form III master is said to be impenetrable. However it is difficult to move to the offensive.

Form IV (Ataru, the Way of the Hawk-Bat), is usually Anakin's chosen form (as well as Yoda's), it features acrobatic moves and quick attacks.

Form V (Shien/Djem So, the Way of the Krayt Dragon), is usually Darth Vader's chosen form (along with Form VII), it features a system of Form III style defense followed by rapid counter attacks designed to overwhelm the opponent and end fights quickly.

Obi-Wan was a master of all three forms. The stance he took at the beginning of the fight was the starting stance of a Soresu duelist. The two handed stance he took afterwards could have been either Form IV or V, but the rapid block and powerful overhand blow he delivered has me thinking it was a Form V move.

Edited March 19, 2017 by Maximum Taco

[call me ishmael]

It was a bit odd that Obi-Wan didn't tell Ezra not to tell anyone.  On the other hand, Leia had to have had some information that he was still alive on Tatooine for New Hope so maybe Ezra passes it along later.  Organa knew that he had gone there but not necessarily that he was till alive.

I was a bit unsure about the closing scene with Luke.  He looked pretty young there.  I had assumed that we were getting pretty close in time to New Hope but this made it seem like we were years apart (although I realize from the prequels that the chosen ones grow pretty fast given how much Anakin caught up with Padme).

I did like the scene where Chopper was trying to decide between doing the smart thing and continuing along the ridge and the loyal thing of following idiotic Ezra out into the sand.  His equivalent of a drone sigh really sold it. 

[ganesh]

23 hours ago, DarkRaichu said:

Hmm, I thought because they had battled so many times in CW (and since Ben had so much time to meditate / think)  Obi Wan figured out the weakness of Maul.  The second stance drew Maul forward and limited his attack options (and Maul obviously was the attacking kind), thus exposing the hilt of his saber (weak) for final slash.

Maul was Palpatine's bitch in TPM and he died like a bitch finally here. That's all he ever was. Just a bitch. The character outlived his usefulness when Kenobi killed him the first time in the TPM. I'm so glad that this wasn't some long drawn out duel and that it took literally one stroke because that's all it should have taken. Maul isn't worth a duel. Maul wasn't trying to die. Maul was a bitch and wanted to fight Kenobi to get his revenge and he got got. That's it. 

On 3/18/2017 at 8:48 PM, ybrik said:

That was why he asked if the person Obi-Wan was guarding was the chosen one because he knew that he could die in peace knowing that the Emperor would be defeated.

Kenobi isn't guarding the "chosen one". The only reference to the "chosen one" was Anakin. The Jedi council talked about this in the prequels. Kenobi said this himself in their ROTS battle, "You were the chosen one!" Maul was asking Kenobi if Anakin/Vader was actually, really the chosen one because in the episode where he blinded Kanan, Maul was complaining about he should have been in Vader's position with the Emperor. Maul was asking Kenobi if Vader was really the chosen one because he realized, as he was dying that his life was useless and he was always a pawn. Sidious treated him like a bitch, and he died like a bitch. 

I can buy that Maul surmised that Kenobi was on Tatooine to protect someone to go against the Emperor, but given he was out of the main loop in TPM, there's no way he'd leap to Vader/Luke. 

So it looks like Luke and Ezra are the same age. I hope we end up finding out what Ezra was doing do all the major movie points. 

I'm surprised that everyone thinks Kenobi is dead. I'd like to know why or how that came about. Literally no one could kill him ever. He beat the actual living Force. 

[DarkRaichu]

13 hours ago, ganesh said:

I can buy that Maul surmised that Kenobi was on Tatooine to protect someone to go against the Emperor, but given he was out of the main loop in TPM, there's no way he'd leap to Vader/Luke. 

I do not think he surmised it himself.  His and Ezra mind melt with the holocrons most likely gave him that insight.

13 hours ago, ganesh said:

So it looks like Luke and Ezra are the same age. I hope we end up finding out what Ezra was doing do all the major movie points. 

Since Ezra was born when Palpatine took over, Luke, Leia, and Ezra are all the same age.

13 hours ago, ganesh said:

I'm surprised that everyone thinks Kenobi is dead. I'd like to know why or how that came about. Literally no one could kill him ever. He beat the actual living Force. 

I would think Senator Organa just never said anything to anyone about the circumstances around the twins, thus Kenobi was presumed dead like the other Jedi.

Spoiler

Organa definitely knew that Obi Wan was alive in Rogue One

 

18 hours ago, call me ishmael said:

I was a bit unsure about the closing scene with Luke.  He looked pretty young there.  I had assumed that we were getting pretty close in time to New Hope but this made it seem like we were years apart

That was silhouette from a distance.  Luke should be the same age as Ezra.
I read somewhere that the current Rebels episodes take place about 2 years before Rogue One, which makes sense since Mon Mothma just united the rebellions a few episodes ago.  In Rogue One, she has been running the operations for some time by the look of things.

[Maximum Taco]

13 hours ago, ganesh said:

Kenobi isn't guarding the "chosen one". The only reference to the "chosen one" was Anakin. The Jedi council talked about this in the prequels. Kenobi said this himself in their ROTS battle, "You were the chosen one!" Maul was asking Kenobi if Anakin/Vader was actually, really the chosen one because in the episode where he blinded Kanan, Maul was complaining about he should have been in Vader's position with the Emperor. Maul was asking Kenobi if Vader was really the chosen one because he realized, as he was dying that his life was useless and he was always a pawn. Sidious treated him like a bitch, and he died like a bitch. 

I can buy that Maul surmised that Kenobi was on Tatooine to protect someone to go against the Emperor, but given he was out of the main loop in TPM, there's no way he'd leap to Vader/Luke. 

So it looks like Luke and Ezra are the same age. I hope we end up finding out what Ezra was doing do all the major movie points. 

I'm surprised that everyone thinks Kenobi is dead. I'd like to know why or how that came about. Literally no one could kill him ever. He beat the actual living Force. 

I disagree, they are talking about Luke, at least Kenobi is.

Of course we know Anakin is the chosen one, because we know he's the one who eventually defeats the Emperor and brings balance to the Force. Also Lucas has confirmed that Anakin is and always was the chosen one.

However it's doubtful that Kenobi believes that at this point in time. In ANH/ESB/ROTJ Kenobi is adamant that Vader is irredeemably evil, only Luke believes there's still good in him. It's more reasonable for Kenobi to believe that Luke (or perhaps Leia) is the chosen one at this point. That their actions and presence will be the deciding factor in defeating the Sith and bringing balance to the Force. He's, very understandably, written Anakin off.

And of course everyone thinks Kenobi is dead. Yes he was a powerful Jedi, but there were a lot of powerful Jedi in the days of the Old Republic, they all (or at least most of them) died. The argument the Rebellion has is that if Kenobi was alive he would be helping them fight the Empire, not holed up on some backwater Outer Rim Planet. And it's a fair argument, if Kenobi didn't have to protect Luke he probably would be on the frontlines with the Alliance, fighting the Empire. Since he isn't helping them, they've assumed he's dead. Of course they don't know about Luke and Leia.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Maximum Taco

[ganesh]

27 minutes ago, DarkRaichu said:

I do not think he surmised it himself.  His and Ezra mind melt with the holocrons most likely gave him that insight.

Would the holocrons know Luke is actually Vader's son? Or actually it doesn't matter, since they both saw the twin suns of Tattooine and know there's someone important to the force there. That's fair. 

28 minutes ago, DarkRaichu said:

I read somewhere that the current Rebels episodes take place about 2 years before Rogue One, which makes sense since Mon Mothma just united the rebellions a few episodes ago.  In Rogue One, she has been running the operations for some time by the look of things.

I didn't realize how close the show is in time to Rogue One. Are they just going to end the show when they hit ANH?

29 minutes ago, Maximum Taco said:

Of course we know Anakin is the chosen one, because we know he's the one who eventually defeats the Emperor and brings balance to the Force. Also Lucas has confirmed that Anakin is and always was the chosen one.

They confirmed Anakin was the chosen one in APM, so it's not like Kenobi doesn't know that. Kenobi actually says it to Anakin in their last battle. It may be that Kenobi thinks he was wrong. I don't know if I buy that. Just because he believed Vader was irredeemable doesn't mean he wasn't the chosen one. I could argue just as well that Kenobi wrote Vader off because he feels guilty for the whole thing. Or he's in denial. He told Luke that "Vader killed his father." "Anakin was the chosen one but Vader killed him. I still think my interpretation of Maul's death has merit, however given his overall character arc of being slighted for a higher position of influence and bent on revenge. 

I was just saying that if everyone assumes Kenobi is dead, I'm surprised someone wouldn't be like, "Him? Dang. I didn't think anything could kill that guy. He beat down Grevious with a single blaster." I'm not calling bs on the show for having him 'suddenly' be dead. I was speculating whether he set something up to fake his death. Do people think Yoda is dead too? 

I think overall, including Maul in the series wasn't a good idea. He was just kind of there. Ezra was never really his apprentice anyway. I like the fact that there's a major force user only out for himself, but I just don't think it had to be him. It's not like he was hunting Vader to try and take his place to regain favor with Palpatine. The one time they met he turned tail and took off. 

[Morrigan2575]

I'll just say as a Star Wars (mid level fan?) That I kind of assumed Luke was in fact the chosen one. That the whole prophecy was interpreted wrong in the prequels. That in the end it was Luke not Anakin that brought balance to the Force.

[Maximum Taco]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

They confirmed Anakin was the chosen one in APM, so it's not like Kenobi doesn't know that. Kenobi actually says it to Anakin in their last battle. It may be that Kenobi thinks he was wrong. I don't know if I buy that. Just because he believed Vader was irredeemable doesn't mean he wasn't the chosen one. I could argue just as well that Kenobi wrote Vader off because he feels guilty for the whole thing. Or he's in denial. He told Luke that "Vader killed his father." "Anakin was the chosen one but Vader killed him. I still think my interpretation of Maul's death has merit, however given his overall character arc of being slighted for a higher position of influence and bent on revenge. 

I was just saying that if everyone assumes Kenobi is dead, I'm surprised someone wouldn't be like, "Him? Dang. I didn't think anything could kill that guy. He beat down Grevious with a single blaster." I'm not calling bs on the show for having him 'suddenly' be dead. I was speculating whether he set something up to fake his death. Do people think Yoda is dead too?

IMO, I think the plot diverged from your interpretation when Maul said "He will avenge us." Maul has hope that the chosen one will avenge him against the Emperor. And while he is correct, I don't think either Kenobi or Maul expects Anakin/Vader to be that person. It's a new guy who will do that. Maul doesn't know who it is, but Kenobi clearly thinks it's Luke. Anyway, we'll agree to disagree?

In regards to Kenobi's death, he really doesn't need to fake his death. Imperial propaganda will do that for him. The Empire's official position is that all high ranking Jedi (and the majority of other Jedi) are dead, that would definitely include Kenobi and Yoda, members of the Jedi Council. The Empire probably is spreading a story of his death, maybe even saying that Vader killed him on Mustafar. The Empire would do this because if the Rebels believed two legendary Jedi were alive they would probably try to find them and draw them to their cause, and even if they couldn't it would give them hope ("Don't worry guys! One day Obi-Wan Kenobi will come back and save us! All we have to do is keep fighting!"). Hope is not good for the Emperor and the Empire.

The only people who know that Kenobi and Yoda are alive are Yoda and Kenobi themselves, Bail Organa (wouldn't dispute the story to protect Kenobi, Yoda, Luke and Leia), Owen and Beru Lars (wouldn't tell anybody to protect Luke), Darth Vader (wouldn't tell anybody because he wants to be the one to kill Kenobi), the Emperor (wouldn't tell anybody because having people believe Kenobi and/or Yoda are alive would foment rebellion), and now Ezra, who seems willing to keep Kenobi's secret.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Maximum Taco

[ganesh]

31 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

That in the end it was Luke not Anakin that brought balance to the Force.

Not exactly. Vader killed the emperor and turned back to the light side.

15 minutes ago, Maximum Taco said:

And while he is correct, I don't think either Kenobi or Maul expects Anakin/Vader to be that person.

No, they definitely don't. Kenobi has to know Luke is strong in the force as it is and is hoping he'll defeat both Vader and Palpatine. Which is why he lied about Vader to Luke in the first place. 

They called Anakin the chosen one because he was born out of the force itself. The whole thing is dumb anyway when we look at it. The whole "chosen one" was never mentioned in the originals and is just tacked on to me. I never could really stand the Jedi as an organization. And the thing is like "he will bring balance to the force." Well, at the time, it was only a ton of Jedi running around, so someone should have been like, "uh, this is isn't looking good for us." Then, even at the end, everyone is dead and Luke is the only jedi anyway. 

I get that it was actually fulfilled in a way that no one realized, which is interesting. 

Honestly, I think the show shouldn't have bothered with all this (Maul, Kenobi) because it was a mess to begin with. We don't know what's going on in Kenobi's head, or when he arrived at "Vader killed your father." We know that Anakin was the chosen one, so if the show is saying Luke is, then it's a huge violation of canon. Kenobi having doubts about the whole thing? Sure. I would have liked to hear some of that. If we were only getting a brief cameo from him, I'd just as soon as they didn't. 

It's not a big deal. I think the surrounding mythology is interesting even if the execution in the movies was clunky. 

[Maximum Taco]

On 2017-03-17 at 2:13 PM, DarkRaichu said:

Sure, but I hope Maul kicks him hard enough on the head to explain why he forgets R2 in New Hope :D :D :D

Why should he remember R2?

Droids, for the most part, are like glorified cell phones in the Star Wars universe, and R2 units are largely built to the same specifications. And every starship captain has an R2 unit, many have more than one. The Jedi Order at the time of the Clone Wars probably had hundreds or thousands of R2 units at their disposal.

You expecting Obi-Wan to remember R2 is like expecting someone to recognize their old iPhone from 20 years ago. Actually Obi-Wan never actually owned R2, so it's like expecting someone to recognize their best friend's iPhone from 20 years ago.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Maximum Taco

[DarkRaichu]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Taco said:

You expecting Obi-Wan to remember R2 is like expecting someone to recognize their old iPhone from 20 years ago. Actually Obi-Wan never actually owned R2, so it's like expecting someone to recognize their best friend's iPhone from 20 years ago.

I'd think I remember my best friend's iPhone if it saves both my and his lives on multiple occasions, especially when it travels with golden android phone that would not shut up :D 

[Maximum Taco]

17 minutes ago, DarkRaichu said:

I'd think I remember my best friend's iPhone if it saves both my and his lives on multiple occasions, especially when it travels with golden android phone that would not shut up :D 

Would you remember it if everyone had the exact same phone, and 20 years passed?

Also would you remember it if you were part of a monastic order that preached that possessions (possessions like Droids) are meaningless, aside from being a tool to accomplish a task and attachment to such possessions leads to evil?

Edited March 20, 2017 by Maximum Taco

[DarkRaichu]

16 minutes ago, Maximum Taco said:

Would you remember it if everyone had the exact same phone, and 20 years passed?

Also would you remember it if you were part of a monastic order that preached that possessions (possessions like Droids) are meaningless, aside from being a tool to accomplish a task and attachment to such possessions leads to evil?

If everyone has an iPhone that travels as a pair with a golden android phone, probably not.  So I would give you that if it is shown that the pairing of R2-D2 and C-3PO units is common.

Also, in CW it has been shown in more than 1 occasion that Anakin had special attachment to his particular R2 unit, which is very unusual for Jedi (as you pointed out).  As his best friend, shouldn't Obi Wan recognize his best friend's particular droid?

[call me ishmael]

2 hours ago, ganesh said:

They confirmed Anakin was the chosen one in APM, so it's not like Kenobi doesn't know that. Kenobi actually says it to Anakin in their last battle. It may be that Kenobi thinks he was wrong. I don't know if I buy that. Just because he believed Vader was irredeemable doesn't mean he wasn't the chosen one. I could argue just as well that Kenobi wrote Vader off because he feels guilty for the whole thing. Or he's in denial. He told Luke that "Vader killed his father." "Anakin was the chosen one but Vader killed him. I still think my interpretation of Maul's death has merit, however given his overall character arc of being slighted for a higher position of influence and bent on revenge. 

Granted it is a long time since I watched it but in Revenge doesn't Kenobi say "you were" the chosen one?  And that you were "supposed" to be bring balance to the force?  Since it was a prophecy there was always the chance that they had gotten it wrong and it seemed like Kenobi at that point thought they had.  Which might mean he had in fact moved on to Luke.  And as to whether it was Luke or Vader in Return that brought balance back it was Vader who killed Palpatine but it was Luke's faith in Vader still being Anakin that caused that to happen.

[ganesh]

I honestly don't remember. It would have been interesting to get Kenobi's pov on all of this. They never really questioned whether they might have been wrong in the movies. I wouldn't call bs if that is how his reasoning plays out. I mean, Vader can still be the chosen one because he fathered Luke in the first place. I'd even question if any prophecy was even needed. You had a super strong force person who fell to the darkside and then was redeemed. It's story enough, really.

I know the EU doesn't "count" anymore, but the entire Star Wars history is about the rise and fall of empires and republics as the jedi and sith fight it out. This was just another one but a unique one because of Anakin being a snowflake. 

[Maximum Taco]

4 hours ago, DarkRaichu said:

If everyone has an iPhone that travels as a pair with a golden android phone, probably not.  So I would give you that if it is shown that the pairing of R2-D2 and C-3PO units is common.

Also, in CW it has been shown in more than 1 occasion that Anakin had special attachment to his particular R2 unit, which is very unusual for Jedi (as you pointed out).  As his best friend, shouldn't Obi Wan recognize his best friend's particular droid?

I don't think so.

Do you recognize your best friend's possessions? Maybe a few of them, but not a lot. For instance my best friend has a penchant for flamboyant Hawaiian shirts. However I don't think I could pick out one of his shirts in a line up. I don't really pay that much attention. If I didn't see him, or his shirts for 20 years I have even less faith in my ability to pick one out.

And I think Obi-Wan would pay even less attention then I do, because he cares less about possessions.

R2 units are pretty ubiquitous across the galaxy. How many R2 units do you think Obi-Wan has seen, I'd bet it numbers in the 100s maybe even 1000s. Should he assume every blue one is Anakin's? And even if he did colors can be changed.

Finally, droids frequently have their memories wiped, Obi-Wan probably assumes that C3P0 and R2 did too. And why wouldn't he? C3P0 doesn't recognize him. Why should he assume R2 is Anakin's droid when 3P0 doesn't also purport to know Anakin? Why would he assume they decided to wipe 3P0's memory and leave R2's intact?

Edited March 21, 2017 by Maximum Taco

[ZoqFotPik]

So that was slightly above fair in my opinion. Sad to see Sato go. I was hoping we would learn more about him at some point, Thrawn seemed to have a modicum of respect for him. Although since it hadn't happened in two seasons, I should have known it would never happen. So all of the hints about a grand strategy to find the base and it comes down to tracking a fleet and a transmission and seeing where the lines intersect? Okay, stuff like that has happened in real life, but it still felt like it rendered a lot of episodes pointless. I thought the ending with Bendu was a giant Deus ex machina. It was nice that the Rebels suffered a massive defeat, something for which I've thought has been long over due. Overall, I thought this season was the weakest of the show so far. So much filler and forgettable episodes.

Edited March 26, 2017 by ZoqFotPik

[readster]

I have to say, I liked how Sato finally rid us of Constantine, but I would have been happy if Kalus would have set a self destruct on the governor's star destroyer as he left. Hate her character, she is more smug than Constantine and we saw where that got him after 3 seasons. I'm find with Bendu Desu ex machina, but I loved at the end when he told Thrawn he was doomed and his defeat was going to come from many hands (basically meaning his ship, his men and finally the Alliance) and then when he tried to shoot him, he disappeared. Since we know there is going to be a season 4, we now know the set ups including Thrawn is already on the path to defeat. He wasn't expecting Constantine to screw up the blockade and Sato taking him out. He didn't expect Bendu or the Mandalorians coming to the fight. Not to mention Kalus escaping. I'm seeing what the Rebels writers doing with Tarkin, so by the time we get to Rogue One, he is set to use whatever he has to destroy the Alliance for good. 

[Morrigan2575]

I really enjoyed this two parter. I was sad to see Sato go but, I agree that we needed to see them suffer a defeat, they've been to lucky/successful so far. 

It's amazing how far they've taken Kallus since the start of the show. I actually said, oh thank god Kallus survived, kind of funny since I hated him early on.

Did we know Hera/Kanan were a couple? I've always assumed they were but, I can't recall if they've ever vocalized it before. I'm glad Bendu survived was about to call shannigans on Thrawn being able to kill something that old/powerful/connected to the Force. 

[johntfs]

I think it's kind of cool that Thrawn is probably going to be the series villain instead of just a season Big Bad.

Also I liked how Kallus was just casually uncuffing himself after taking out the two troopers in the elevator.

[ZoqFotPik]

1 hour ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Did we know Hera/Kanan were a couple? I've always assumed they were but, I can't recall if they've ever vocalized it before.

Like in this episode, she has called him "Love" before, but everything else has been implied. I don't believe they have ever kissed on screen and keep separate quarters on the Ghost.

[VCRTracking]

"What Jedi devilry is this?" is now going to be one of my top favorite Star Wars quotes.

Not as great as last year's season finale but pretty good. Thrawn would have had most of the Ghost crew and Rebels if it wasn't that darn Bendu.

Great to see Sabine and the Mandalorians back and helping.

RIP Commander Sato.

I never get tired of Imperials fighting each other for personal glory.

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Did we know Hera/Kanan were a couple? I've always assumed they were but, I can't recall if they've ever vocalized it before.

I was like whoa, and then yaaas. They've always been affectionate, but she called him *love* on an open channel. RAWR. Which, not that any of you care, but there's a young man and woman under my care irl, and last night, I was like "oh? ok!" So that was a lot of fun.

I really liked all the space battles because it seems like someone in charge of the show actually thought it out. I'm not going to call ex machina on Bendu because he was set up a while ago. And to be fair, they set up the shield and repelled the ground forces. Kanan made a fair point about just "being there." 

I actually don't want Thrawn to lose per se. I assume the major victory before ANH is defeating Thrawn, but I want him to escape. 

[johntfs]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

 

I actually don't want Thrawn to lose per se. I assume the major victory before ANH is defeating Thrawn, but I want him to escape.

Per official Star Wars canon, the official first major victory for the Alliance occurred in Rogue One.  My hope is that they follow the Expanded Universe and Thrawn is exiled to the Unknown Regions.  As an alien with an unknown lifespan, he could easily come back in live action for movies down the line.

[ganesh]

I haven't seen Rogue One yet. Though I know the Ghost is in the movie and Hera is name checked. Ok, so it's not "the big victory", but I figure this show has to have a win, since Thrawn and these characters aren't in the OT. Actually, I would love love love if there's an existential threat and Thrawn, Ezra, and Kanan join up. In the EU they had said that Palpatine made the Empire to prepare against some outside threat. 

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, johntfs said:

Per official Star Wars canon, the official first major victory for the Alliance occurred in Rogue One.  My hope is that they follow the Expanded Universe and Thrawn is exiled to the Unknown Regions.  As an alien with an unknown lifespan, he could easily come back in live action for movies down the line.

I've expected that Thrawn would suffer a defeat in Rebels that resulted in his exile. I know it's not official canon anymore but, I'd prefer something that lines up with EU canon then killing him.

[DarkRaichu]

9 hours ago, ZoqFotPik said:

Like in this episode, she has called him "Love" before, but everything else has been implied. I don't believe they have ever kissed on screen and keep separate quarters on the Ghost.

Yup, implied like they are the only 2 characters that would embrace after either one escapes near death

I thought the ending echoed ESB a little bit, with Hera's faction of the rebels cut down to scrap and Ezra + Kanan looking longingly to space

I actually liked how they resolved / used Bendu.  He was in the middle so it made sense his main objective was to make everyone off his planet.  He attacked everyone, we saw both rebels ships and imperial AT-AT zapped by lightning.  Even the Ghost got zapped.  
Where are the creatures with though shells ie the planet natives ???  I was half expecting for them to surround and kill Thrawn's dark troopers toward the end.

I liked how everyone got a piece of the actions Wedge lead A-Wings squadron during planetary defense, Rex blew up some AT-DPs (and left 1 for Zeb), Kanan disabled an AT-AT, Kallus took down a couple of stormtroopers, etc

I liked that they kept the tradition of long camera shot tracking the hallway of the Ghost at the end of the season

[DarkRaichu]

Also, at the risk of mentioning this to a room full of SW fans, ;) did anyone else think that Bendu's cloud & thunder was an homage to Star Trek V: The Final Frontier ??? :D :D :D

[readster]

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I never get tired of Imperials fighting each other for personal glory.

I agree and yet is so in character for them since ANH. We see it with the Moffs, Admirals and even stormtroopers. That's why Thrawn's plan started falling apart as that personal glory for himself and others started conflicting and what lead to not crushing the Rebels completely. While Thrawn knows that this faction is just part of a larger piece. He knew if he took out the Phoenix Squadron that would start crushing their spirits. However, when Costentin wanted to take out Sato and then played into his plan too well. Followed by Bendu messing up the rest. He was shown at the very end, that while he hurt this faction of Rebels and lead to the Alliance keeping their forces still hidden on Yarin. He knew things are falling apart for him. Which will make him more desperate to clean up his screw up and the governor and admiral's screw ups. Bendu's final saying before he disappeared laughing at Thrawn proved that his days are not as "awesome" as he makes himself believe. 

[Morrigan2575]

3 hours ago, DarkRaichu said:

Also, at the risk of mentioning this to a room full of SW fans, ;) did anyone else think that Bendu's cloud & thunder was an homage to Star Trek V: The Final Frontier ??? :D :D :D

What is the Star Trek 5 you speak of? I've seen every ST movie but I don't recall them making a 5. There was ST4 - Whales and ST6 - Klingons quoting Shakespeare but, I don't recall ST5 ?

[ganesh]

I'm surprised Thrawn actually revealed and arrested Fulcrum. I would have thought the more savvy strategy would be to leak misinformation to him and use that to get a leg up on the rebels. 

[Maximum Taco]

The addressed the "Chosen One" discussion in the most recent Rebels Recon.

http://screencrush.com/star-wars-rebels-obi-wan-chosen-one-luke-anakin/

Obi Wan and Maul were talking about Luke.

[ganesh]

That's fine, but I shouldn't have to do outside research to clarify what I saw in the episode. If they feel the need to do that, then they didn't do their job. I think the discussion here is more nuanced done we were basing it on what we actually saw than waiting for someone to tell us what we should be seeing. 

[Maximum Taco]

14 minutes ago, ganesh said:

That's fine, but I shouldn't have to do outside research to clarify what I saw in the episode. If they feel the need to do that, then they didn't do their job. I think the discussion here is more nuanced done we were basing it on what we actually saw than waiting for someone to tell us what we should be seeing. 

I agree.

It's poor storytelling to have us try and glean what they meant. There's such a thing as too much subtlety.

I have the same opinion of the Hera/Kanan possible romance. They keep hinting at something, but if they're together they should be a little more explicit. Give us a kiss or something.

[ganesh]

They have hugged a few times!

I really don't have a problem with Kenobi thinking the jedi council might have wrong about Anakin being the chosen one. Or one could argue as before that Anakin fulfilled his role as the chosen one by siring Luke. 

I tend to think Kenobi has massive ptsd from everything and is hiding out away from everything just as much as he's there to look out for Luke. Bringing in Kenobi just to take out Maul was kind of a waste, and if you're not willing to explore his own state of mind, I wish they just didn't bother. I assume he's not in Rogue One, so this is the singular appearance he makes in between III and IV and it's a waste. 

Edited March 27, 2017 by ganesh

[call me ishmael]

Finally watched the season finale.  Pretty disappointing.  Basically Thrawn's master plan was to wait till they congregated (or at least some of them did), even though he didn't really know they would except that he was tracking a small group of rebels who happen to be the heroes of the show, and then show up with some interdictors and a lot of star destroyers.  And he proved his psychological brilliance by not even understanding his own officers well enough not to have them ruin his plans.  And for this we resurrected his character and spent a season?? Bleh.

[johntfs]

I'm kind of interested in what's next with Hera.  I get the feeling Thrawn probably respects her the most of anyone on the show.  I'm wondering if we'll end up seeing him treat her a bit like Maul tried to treat Ezra - as a potential worthy student.

[VCRTracking]

Dave Filoni said in the Star Wars Rebels panel at Star Wars Celebration today that season 4 will be the last. I for one am genuinely sad because I like the characters especially Hera and want to see more of their adventures. I hope the finale is Rogue One's Battle of Scarif from the Ghost's POV.  Here's the season 4 trailer:

Edited April 15, 2017 by VCRTracking

[Morrigan2575]

Oh, I'm not ready for this show to end ?

That trailer is filling me with tons of dread, I have a bad feel about this.

[readster]

Seeing that this will all culminate to the battle of Lothal and why the TIE Defenders were never used in the main movies and what happened to Ezra and Kannan. I'm not surprised. We know that Chopper survived as shown in Rogue One and was confirmed that was him and the same with the Ghost. 

[ganesh]

I thought they have a lot more story to tell. Since this is a kids' show, I don't think the ending is going to be a downer, but they need to show what these characters were doing outside the main story. 

Did the Ghost go into hyperspace *through* a space station?!

[ZoqFotPik]

2 hours ago, readster said:

Seeing that this will all culminate to the battle of Lothal and why the TIE Defenders were never used in the main movies and what happened to Ezra and Kannan.

The problem I have with this is the movies state that Scarif was the Rebellion's first real victory. A victory on Lothal would seem to contradict that.

2 hours ago, readster said:

We know that Chopper survived as shown in Rogue One and was confirmed that was him and the same with the Ghost. 

The Director also confirmed that "General Syndulla" was Hera, so she survives too. 

5 hours ago, VCRTracking said:

I hope the finale is Rogue One's Battle of Scarif from the Ghost's POV. 

That's what I hope too, or at the very least have the show end with the crew heading off to Scarif.

The season is only 15 episodes long, so Hopefully there will be no filler.

[call me ishmael]

1 hour ago, ZoqFotPik said:

The problem I have with this is the movies state that Scarif was the Rebellion's first real victory. A victory on Lothal would seem to contradict that.

I see that.  Of course Lothal is pretty much in the middle of nowhere and if Mon Motha takes the lesson that you shouldn't confront the Empire directly seriously maybe Lothal is something more of a marginal skirmish.  And there has to be some reason to send Thrawn off to the middle of nowhere.

[ZoqFotPik]

So Dave Filoni has said that the show will not end with Scarif. While I get his reasons, I think it would have been cool to see the battle from the Ghost's perspective. He also said that this is not the end of Lucasfilm Animation, so there may be another series on the horizon.

[readster]

12 hours ago, call me ishmael said:

I see that.  Of course Lothal is pretty much in the middle of nowhere and if Mon Motha takes the lesson that you shouldn't confront the Empire directly seriously maybe Lothal is something more of a marginal skirmish.  And there has to be some reason to send Thrawn off to the middle of nowhere.

I agree, plus since Lothal is pretty much the main building for the TIE Defender and other Empire special weapons, it would set the Empire back on their building, but nothing really to the point where they go: "Well, the Rebellion could now ruin it all." Like in Rogue One where having the ability to destroy the Death Star was something the Empire couldn't have. 

[Noneofyourbusiness]

On 3/27/2017 at 11:16 AM, Maximum Taco said:

I have the same opinion of the Hera/Kanan possible romance. They keep hinting at something, but if they're together they should be a little more explicit. Give us a kiss or something.

I remember reading that officially they have already slept together, but the Rebellion comes first.

[Maximum Taco]

On 2017-04-16 at 10:48 PM, Noneofyourbusiness said:

I remember reading that officially they have already slept together, but the Rebellion comes first.

I don't think getting a little action would derail the Rebellion.

I'm sure Han and Leia had some amourous activities in ROTJ before the Battle of Endor.

[johntfs]

On 4/16/2017 at 9:48 PM, Noneofyourbusiness said:

I remember reading that officially they have already slept together, but the Rebellion comes first.

Honestly, I assumed they'd been sleeping together since before the start of the show and continuing through the run.  Hera and Kanan had a pretty clear long-term couple vibe about them.

[readster]

Season 4 Trailer

 

So begins the end. 

[Morrigan2575]

I don't know if I'm ready for this. ?