S10.E12: Lost at Sea

[ZettaK]

Tensions between JT and Craig finally come to a head; Madison and JT have a one-on-one; as the group embarks on a party boat trip, Shep feels adrift about Sienna.

First aired on 2/27/2025.

[snarts]

So JT quit when he remembered his comments were filmed? 

Shep wearing a ballcap to the nice restaurant, how classy...

Craig mentions that Shep is spiraling & Austen says he lacks empathy. Flashforward to Austen using the exact same word to describe Shep. Please make it make sense. 

Picturing vampuric Whitney hanging upside down in the closet of his suite. 

Edited Yest. at 02:10 AM by snarts

[swankie]

Damn Venita!  You're as bad as Shep.  Your FRIEND JT is just not into you romantically.  How many ways does he need to tell you?  Between Shep and her I've felt sooooo much second hand embarrassment this season.  I don't think Sienna has ever told Shep she loves him.  He hears what he wants to hear like when he told her he missed her and she said, "I bet you did" but he heard "I missed you too".  Her bailing on almost all of their activities speaks volumes to everybody but him.  He needs to face the fact that she's met somebody richer.  I think Madison has had Sienna's number from the start and I hate agreeing with Madison. 

[esco1822]

6 minutes ago, swankie said:

Your FRIEND JT is just not into you romantically.  How many ways does he need to tell you?

At the very least, she should just respect his boundaries. She wouldn’t want to be with a guy who cheated on his girlfriend, and she certainly wouldn’t to be cheated on. Why she keeps trying to initiate is beyond me. I do appreciate him trying to be a stand up guy. 

Craig has worked really hard to cultivate this reformed man image, but every so often, you see the cracks and shows he’s really not changed all that much. He still lies (a lot), gaslights, has tantrums (refusing to share a room because he’s a grown up man baby), etc. He’s so endearing and adorable in many ways, but he’s also still so messy. 

I find it harder, every episode, to actually like any of these people. 

[ZettaK]

3 hours ago, swankie said:

Damn Venita!  You're as bad as Shep.  Your FRIEND JT is just not into you romantically.  How many ways does he need to tell you?  Between Shep and her I've felt sooooo much second hand embarrassment this season.  I don't think Sienna has ever told Shep she loves him.  He hears what he wants to hear like when he told her he missed her and she said, "I bet you did" but he heard "I missed you too".  Her bailing on almost all of their activities speaks volumes to everybody but him.  He needs to face the fact that she's met somebody richer.  I think Madison has had Sienna's number from the start and I hate agreeing with Madison. 

Shep is going to try to convince Sienna one more time (on camera, next week according to the previews) that they said "I love you" to each other in the past. He thinks that if he forces her to be in front of cameras, she will comply with his delusions. It seems that she will disappoint him again. 

Edited Yest. at 05:43 AM by ZettaK

[dancingdreamer]

Shepard,  please, for the love of love, move the hell on. He's as bad as Craig, for hearing  a conversation,  and completely  misconstruing it. I really  think Craig  thinks JT said those things, so when he relays it back, he's lieing, otherwise why would  Craig  ask Shep to back him up? 

I don't  know  if it was my screen,  but some of them looked  very very red, sunscreen people,  and lots of it !( I worry  about skin cancer. )

Austin saying  Craig has no empathy,  didn’t  they look for Shep for two hours, and Shep always  turns to Craig to hear what he has to say.

Taylor hugging  Shep in the ocean, I guess she's  no longer mad at him.( eye roll) I wish they'd stop pushing  Molly at Shep, he's a damn fool for ignoring  her though. 

[ZettaK]

It's so obvious what Sienna was/is looking for: she asked Shep if he could buy the $10 million house for her... I'm sure she found somebody else, maybe that's why she doesn't want to commit to anything in front of cameras. I think that at one point she was more interested in Shep, but the situation changed. 

JT was invited to the Bahamas in order to be attacked. Most of the cast members don't believe he called Patricia a bitch, including Patricia who said so in interviews after she watched this season's episodes. 

[Mindthinkr]

5 hours ago, ZettaK said:

buy the $10 million house for her.

This stumps me. Just can’t imagine asking a man for a house; especially one at that value. To me that reads gold digger. 

[SFoster21]

This was a fun episode.

 

all those folks were burned.  Didn’t that hurt?

 

those blonde women are identical.  Are there three or four?

 

was the JT stuff invented so that Venita would have something to do?

 

who knew that Shep was secretly Larry Darrell.  “I have enough money so that we can live on the beach, boo.”

 

Siena:  “don’t plan to live on the beach.”

 

so funny!

 

[snarts]

7 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

I really  think Craig  thinks JT said those things, so when he relays it back, he's lieing, otherwise why would  Craig  ask Shep to back him up? 

With the exception of the bitch comment (which occurred on a different day) JT did say those things.

At the faux Top Golf place, JT implied that his hanging out with Madison in Jamaica had made Brett jealous. When the guys laughed him off, he doubled down reminding them Madison wore his shorts outfit & how Brett then facetimed her because he was so worried. His implication was clear, that Brett was concerned that Madison & JT might be more than friends. 

It was in the game of telephone that the word affair started being used. Even so, JT did tell Craig & Shep that his relationship with Madison rattled her husband. They aired the clip again last night. 

In terms of the bitch comment, I'm still of the belief that JT made a comment about her not accepting his gift at the polo event, maybe even muttered it under his breath. It doesn't make any sense why Craig would make that up when he's been one of the only people willing to give JT a chance & lying about it would only reflect poorly on him.

I rarely claim production shenanigans but this season has been so incredibly dull, I think they're purposely not airing the bitch/bitchy comment because this drama is all they have. I suspect they might suddenly find the hidden footage at the reunion. JT knows what he said which is why he quit.

[esco1822]

3 hours ago, snarts said:

It was in the game of telephone that the word affair started being used. Even so, JT did tell Craig & Shep that his relationship with Madison rattled her husband. They aired the clip again last night. 

In terms of the bitch comment, I'm still of the belief that JT made a comment about her not accepting his gift at the polo event, maybe even muttered it under his breath. It doesn't make any sense why Craig would make that up when he's been one of the only people willing to give JT a chance & lying about it would only reflect poorly on him.

Craig started the game of telephone, and he lied. He also bitched about Shep not having his back when Shep confirmed he never heard that. Bravo has zero footage of that ever being said. They do, however, have miles of footage of Craig lying. After being shown said footage, Craig still maintains he has never lied on the show. He has. Constantly. The root of all of this misinformation on BOTH topics, was Craig. Based on what we have seen of JT, there is zero indication he would ever use that word to describe a woman. The man is being railroaded and I can’t wait for him to be vindicated at the reunion. 

[aghst]

11 hours ago, ZettaK said:

It's so obvious what Sienna was/is looking for: she asked Shep if he could buy the $10 million house for her... I'm sure she found somebody else, maybe that's why she doesn't want to commit to anything in front of cameras. I think that at one point she was more interested in Shep, but the situation changed. 

JT was invited to the Bahamas in order to be attacked. Most of the cast members don't believe he called Patricia a bitch, including Patricia who said so in interviews after she watched this season's episodes. 

Yeah do we need any more evidence that it was a fake relationship all along?

Shep contacted her, not the other way around, as they first claimed.  Shep knew what he was getting into,  but he wanted to have this drama for the show.

Come on, they're trying to depict him as some naive schoolboy now experiencing genuine heartbreak and his "friends" giving him tough love.

What would make him look worse, that he's really heart broken by this fake relationship or that he's faking it to this extent, which is great for the show because every other cast member is weighing in, so they actually have something to talk about.

Paige telling Shep to face reality is funny as hell, since she's also in a fake relationship or showmance for the benefit of SC and her main show.  That plot is going to unravel next.

So they're arguing about what JT said.  Hmm, since they FILM all these scenes, you'd think they'd go look at the tape or ask the crew if there's any film of JT saying the things Craig accused him of.

Then when Shep won't go along with Craig's lies -- didn't call him out as a liar, just said he never heard JT saying the things Craig accuse him of -- Craig is pissy about it.

Shep should have called him a liar and even that would be too civil, since Craig is a lying *** for the purposes of the show at least.

 

 

[Thumper]

Yeah, it’s a Shep redemption tour event, as far as I’m concerned.  🙄

[LakeGal]

Craig  has probably convinced himself he did hear JT say Bitch.  He might have heard something similar and misheard it.  Now he won't back down.

There are too many blonde women.  It always takes a moment to figure out which one is talking.

Whitney was so drunk.  He was wobbling around looking rough.  

[aghst]

11 minutes ago, LakeGal said:

Craig  has probably convinced himself he did hear JT say Bitch.  He might have heard something similar and misheard it.  Now he won't back down.

 

I think it's deliberate.  It may or may not be malicious.

But clearly they wanted to have many scenes about this "controversy" and even the whole cast ganging up on JT.

Bravo probably doesn't mind this kind of piling on because it's drama, "good" television.

Craig is probably doing what the producers want.  They could tell others that they have no tape of JT saying the things Craig is straight up lying about.

But they prefer to milk the drama from this he said, he said dispute.  In fact I suspect the other cast know JT didn't say those things but they're playing along and piling on because that is the script.

JT may or may not be a willing participant in this fake drama.  But it's one of the few things which gets him a lot of on-air time.

Either he wants that on-air time or maybe he gets sick of being a punching bag by the end of the season.

Not sure what he gets out of this show.  Maybe he thinks it helps his business somehow, like more social media followers, maybe drives more business to his properties, though I'm not sure why it would.

[howiveaddict]

4 hours ago, Thumper said:

Yeah, it’s a Shep redemption tour event, as far as I’m concerned.  🙄

IDK, I checked his nose for white residue after he went to the restroom during the restaurant scene.  And then, he spiraled shades of Bravo Con and got thrown out of the casino.

[RedInk]

Part of me thinks Shep’s relationship drama is made up to buy him a little sympathy, but it WOULD track that if he were really ready to commit, he’d be unable to accept that someone just really isn’t into him. Imagine that level of narcissism. “But I really like you, so you must like me back! You can’t deny these feelings you have for me because I have them for you!” 
 

Nobody (but Venita) likes JT, and he’s not a liar. Both of these things can be true. Like how everyone likes Craig, and he is a liar. 

[ZettaK]

Nobody likes JT (I don't either), and he doesn't have a connection with the cast. I think he finally realized that the situation would probably get worse, so he left. He wanted to be on the show to promote his business, and because he has the amount of narcissism people who participate on reality shows have. 

[Crazydoxielady]

Sheps’ little freckle lipped girl is really ruining his plan for a redemption arc this season. She did not get the memo that he is now a CHANGED MAN! He’s ready for little brown babies & to traverse between home base and the Bahamas. Except a few things get in the way of this narrative. He doesn’t actually love Sienna, she’s just an unwilling participant in his storyline. Beyond that, his family would not ever accept this girl into his white washed former slave owned territories. GTFOOH. After the reunion last year, he knew that he needed to flip the script and pretend to be a good little boy! But Sienna was not the person to try to align his story with, she’s a vapid Gen Z’er & was just looking for her quick 15 minutes of fame.  She certainly doesn’t want it  be known that she was in a  romantic dalliance of any depth with a 46 year-old toothy man baby. On the aside I don’t find Sienna that cute and don’t understand all the fuss. To each his own I suppose. Shep’s façade really dropped when it came out that he had been missing all night, and of course he has the excuse that he passed out on a beach chair. It’s more like it that he found his way into some trouble involving drugs or sex or more alcohol or all of the above. 

Still not buying the Venita/JT producer induced feigned romantic overtures sub plot. I wish Venita would find her voice and be real. Or perhaps this is all the producers deem worthy of showing. I would watch her arrange flowers and prepare to host in her cute apartment any day of the week over this fake foolishness. She’s also fantastically dressed to the nines at all times. I am charmed. JT on the other hand knows how to talk himself out of any good graces. He needs to attend charm school or listen to his mama. He is highly highly annoying.  
Madison’s face looked so weird in the morning chat with JT without a mask of thick makeup. I always thought she was so pretty but the fillers & other work are showing up big time without all the spackle. Lay of the fillers ladies!! They make your face a bit sapien adjacent after a point. Lines are ok. Aging is ok. Hopefully her pregnancy will keep her away from the med spa for awhile. 
Craig remains a lying liar who lies. 
Molly is adorable. 
Sally is sassy and I like it.  
Austen remains a muppet mouth. 
That’s  all I got.  

[Mindthinkr]

13 hours ago, LakeGal said:

Whitney was so drunk.  He was wobbling around looking rough.  

Not for the first time either. He’s not looking well. He was plastered at that Boy’s Dinner that was thrown at his and his mother’s house. Remember how he fell backwards and broke her antique chair? Then riding in the van (mini bus?) he looked snookered. When they called him a vampire for not showing up for the boat trip I thought how apt. He is pasty white and it seems he is only up and going during the hours that are deemed respectable for drinking alcohol.